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I’ve never seen the Miraculous Ladybug fandom quite this agitated before, and that’s saying something ‘cause I’ve been active in this fandom for over six years at this point and I’ve seen all sorts of controversies. But the Chloé discourse goes above and beyond: anti-Chloé folks are attacking pro-Chloé folks, pro-Chloé folks are attacking the show’s creators…it’s a mess.

So I’m gonna make a post breaking down Chloé’s character arc! That couldn’t possibly go wrong, right?

A couple notes here before I get started. I’m a screenwriter, and that’s the perspective I’m approaching this from. I’m not going to take a stance on what Chloé’s arc should be—I’m just breaking down what it currently is. And my goal here is to debunk the misconception that Chloé’s character development was erased at the end of season 3.

SPOILERS are present, up through Penalteam.

Here’s what’s happened so far in Chloé’s arc.

In Season 1, we learned Chloé’s status quo. She’s a jerk to basically everyone, she pushes around her father ANDRÉ to get her way, and she treats SABRINA like a servant. But at the same time, she admires LADYBUG and wants to be a hero like her, and she’s also friends with ADRIEN. So from her perspective, she has four potential allies at this point.

In Despair Bear, Chloé is challenged by ADRIEN, who suggests that if she keeps treating people terribly, he’ll have to stop being her friend. Chloé clearly doesn’t want to lose Adrien, so she actually makes an effort, even though she backslides at the end of the episode.

In Style Queen, we meet Chloé’s mother AUDREY, a fifth potential ally for Chloé. AUDREY mistreats both Chloé and ANDRÉ, and here the reason Chloé treats people horribly is because of an attempt to get into AUDREY’s good graces.

In Queen Wasp, Chloé gets a Miraculous, and she unsurprisingly abuses its power for her personal benefit, which HAWKMOTH capitalizes on. She’s taken down by LADYBUG, who takes back the Miraculous, showing Chloé that she can’t be a hero if she only uses her powers for personal gain.

In Malediktator, Queen Bee is given a second chance by LADYBUG, and this time she doesn’t exclusively serve her own interest—her selfish instincts are outweighed by her desire to be a hero.

In Miraculer, we see that Queen Bee is quite competent as a hero, almost winning a one-on-one fight with Mayura. Despite this, LADYBUG says she can’t ever give Chloé’s Miraculous back to her, because HAWKMOTH knows her identity. Chloé doesn’t believe this; she’s confident LADYBUG will give her the Miraculous again.

In Hearthunter, Chloé is manipulated by HAWKMOTH into losing that confidence, and she starts to see LADYBUG as keeping her away from her goal of being a hero. From this point onwards, HAWKMOTH is considered her ally, and LADYBUG isn’t.

In Sole Crusher, Chloé thinks her goal of being a hero is now out of reach, and so her selfish instincts are no longer being overpowered, and she’s once again being horrible to people. With help from Zoé, ANDRÉ stops letting Chloé push him around as much as she used to.

In Queen Banana, Chloé gets in a fight with ADRIEN and cuts him off, bringing her down to one fewer ally—now, her only allies are SABRINA, AUDREY, and SHADOWMOTH. Additionally, because Vesperia now wields the Bee Miraculous, Chloé’s even further from her goal of being a hero. Now, she doesn’t just have to be a better person—she has to be better than Vesperia.

In Optigami, Chloé laughs at a joke made at AUDREY’s expense, and AUDREY cuts her off, once again bringing her down to one fewer ally.

In Penalteam, Chloé cuts off both of her remaining allies—namely, SHADOWMOTH and SABRINA. For a few moments, she has no allies left, until LILA decides to start taking advantage of that, asserting herself as the one person Chloé can still potentially trust.

Let’s break that down.

I’ve capitalized specific names in the synopsis because Chloé’s arc is defined by her allies. In season 1, she has four allies—André, Sabrina, Ladybug, and Adrien. Season 2 adds Audrey, and at the end of season 3 she switches out Ladybug for Hawkmoth. Then in season 4, she loses each of her allies one by one—first André, then Adrien, then Audrey, then Shadowmoth, and finally Sabrina.

So even from this alone, we can see that Chloé hasn’t reverted to her status quo of season 1. In season 1, she was comfortable, and in season 4, she’s spiraling, cutting ties left and right, and digging herself deeper and deeper into a hole. This is a very different status quo, because it’s not stable. Things can change dramatically at any moment, and almost certainly will.

And most importantly…Chloé’s character development as Queen Bee hasn’t been undone. Even when she was a hero, she still had her selfish and hostile instincts—she was just suppressing them in order to achieve her goal of being a hero. Once that goal seemed out of reach, she had no reason to suppress those instincts anymore. But that doesn’t mean those behaviors went away and came back—they were always there; she was just able to temporarily hold them down.

So why was Chloé written this way?

There’s one thing that I never see people recognizing in the Chloé discourse—Chloé’s character arc isn’t over. There are more seasons of the show planned, and those seasons will definitely have Chloé in them. Thomas Astruc’s goal in writing Chloé was never to write the specific section of her arc that we’ve seen so far—it was to write her entire arc. Obviously, I can’t know what that arc is going to end up being, but there are some things we can more clearly understand.

When figuring out a character’s role in a plot, there are three essential elements to consider—a goal is what a character wants, motivations are why they want it, and methods are how they go about trying to achieve it. Let’s break this down for Chloé:

Goal: Chloé wants to be popular, specifically by being a hero.

Motivations: Chloé grew up in an environment where her mother abused both her and her father, and she never learned how to be a good person, so she has very few allies. She sees how much people look up to Ladybug, and she wants that for herself.

Methods: Chloé’s willing to suppress her toxic instincts if it gets her towards her goal, but she never actually tries to unlearn those instincts.

Chloé’s methods of suppressing her toxic instincts weren’t sufficient to achieve her goal of being a hero, and so she abandoned those methods in favor of the new method of siding with Hawkmoth. When that didn’t work out either, she abandoned that approach and currently sees her goal as unachievable.

Of course, it’s clear what she actually does have to do in order to achieve her goal—she has to put in the effort to actually learn how to not be a terrible person. And there’s a clear metric for that: she has to give Ladybug a reason to give the Miraculous to her rather than to Vesperia. Until Chloé unlearns her toxic attitudes, Ladybug will always choose Vesperia over Queen Bee—and that’s where Vesperia fits into Chloé’s arc, and I suspect this is why Vesperia was added to the story in the first place.

I would like to point out another Chloe flaw - she has trouble letting go of people in a healthy way. She forces people to stay with her even when they do not want to. Like how she makes Sabrina do whatever she tells her to do. Or perhaps like how even after telling Adrien that he "isn't her Adrikins anymore" she goes back to him the next day like nothing happened, even though he told her that she can't keep being mean to people.

Adrien: I suck and shouldnt be chat noir

Plagg: Cheese metaphor about value.

(depressed transformation)

Chat noir: I am here to help even though i am too late. Please Let me do something useful, I could use a win

Ladybug: Nah we handled everything perfectly already, Just chill.

Chat noir: Please

Ladybug: Expression that is poorly worded that you misunderstand as being replacable

Chat noir: (Angry) You can find yourself a new cat!

Ladybug: (doesnt realize what he is saying) Sounds good!

One minute later

Ladybug: WAIT NO!

(But he was gone)

Plagg: Cheese metaphor that perfectly explains how Ladybug f***ed it up.

Ladybug: Lol Plagg like cheese

Plagg: (Mental screams)

Ladybug: Clearly I need new kitty without any emotional attachment

Plagg: WTF NO!

OTHER KWAMI: NO!

TIKKI: F***ING S*** Marinette

Adrien: (Violins play to express sadness)

Marinette: (PEPE SILVIA MEME) BUT HOW DO I CHAT NOIR THOUGH?

Plagg: I have an idea. Tikki, You just need to smile while I blatantly lie to the guardian.

Tikki: I can only see this going horribly wrong

Plagg: There is another cat boy I can go to. He is uber sexy and competent

Marinette: I dont know. Tikki is this true.

Tikki: (Smiling and nodding)

Marinette: Well I unquestioningly believe you.

(Meanwhile at the violin concert)

Plagg: Adrien! I know how you can get ladybug to fall for you.

Adrien: Plagg, cant you see I am speed running depression?

Plagg: But you can alter your costume and we can practice poses?

Adrien: Oh damn I am game.

(Cue training montage)

Ladybug: I feel like Plagg may have been lying

Chat Walker: Hello Ladybug. I am Chat walker and You will fall in love with me.

Ladybug: I doubt that.

(CUE GIANT CAT MONSTER)

Ladybug: OMG ITS CHAT NOIR! HE IS CLEARLY HEARTBROKEN OVER THE WHOLE SITUATION. CHAT NOIR I AM SORRY. PLEASE COME BACK TO ME KITTY.

Chat walker: (is actually chat noir) You might be wrong on that.

Shadowmoth: What the f*** is the girl on? Kuro neko kick their asses

(The cat monster proceeds to kick their asses)

Ladybug: So the cat monster isnt chat noir.

Chat walker: Dont worry Ladybug, I am here to help you. And clearly you are emotionally vulnerable and this sentence will cause you to start thirsting for me.

Ladybug: Oh no you are hot.

(Cue Ladybug simping for a few minutes)

Ladybug: Lucky charm

Chat walker: So whats the plan with that long sheet that can fit two people on it

(Vision focuses)

Ladybug: (Biting her lip) I might have an idea... But lets try something else.

(The lucky charm doesnt work)

Chat walker: Well it is a sentimonster, I am gonna go recharge.

Ladybug: (suddenly a plan forms as soon as he leaves) Oh... this is a problem

Chat Walker: Im back.

Ladybug: I have plan... but you need to not be here.

Chat Walker: Okay cool.

Ladybug: Wait you arent bummed?

Chat Walker: The mission matters.

Ladybug: I miss my actual kitty.

(So Ladybug gets the cat monster to spit out the child)

Girl: I wont break bank. Money for my kitty who I lost.

Ladybug: (Who is missing Chat noir) I RELATE TO YOU SMALL CHILD!

Girl: I instantly believe you

(The day is saved)

Ladybug: Im sorry Chat walker. You are too sexy... I mean you and I just cant work well together. You need to hand back the cat miraculous to the old chat noir.

Chat Walker: Okay cool. Later Ladybug

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Adrien: Well that failed

Plagg: Nah that is perfect.

Adrien: But will I be me again? Is Chat noir really me.

Plagg: Get that true selves bullsh*t out of here. Its current year

Adrien: Whoa.

Plagg: Now go talk to ladybug

___________________________________________________

Chat noir: Sorry I rage quit. Even if you dont always need me. I should just be cool about it.

Ladybug: Get off your bulls***. I will always need you. Even if you arent 'needed' you are NEEDED.

Chat noir: Okay cool.

Part 151 of my bakery “enemies” au!

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Part 150 of my bakery “enemies” au!

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I have no clue what to expect because buggachat always surprises us in the most unexpected of ways! Although, I do find it hard to believe that Marinette will immediately believe that he is Chat Noir. I mean, if he’s a supervillain, it shouldn’t be an issue for him to pretend to be like him in preparation for the final act. She’d probably say something along the lines of: “what did you sayyyyy?” and Adrien just pours his heart out to her like the sweet angel he is.

I think it would be cute though for him to do a whole monologue for her, Glaciator 2 confession style 🥹 okay okay I’ll stop rambling…

It’s going to be really hard for Marinette when she realizes what she’d done. There’s definitely some relationship mending to be done before they can be a couple again and I can’t wait to see the evolution!

Part 147 of my bakery “enemies” au!

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I don't understand this. But why do they have to make her already training to be a guardian? If there's one thing that adds something to Marinette, it's the fact that prior to the story, she was just a normal girl. But no, these people have to make her your cliched speshul girl. Talk about hypocrisy.

Adrien is treated like your typical bad boy who's dark and serious and basically the last person Marinette would fall for. They take away his character and make him into Félix.

Nathalie left him, after years of abuse that she allowed him thinking he'll change or he's not that bad, but now she might never walk again. She might never recover. Him? His panic attack is like a "heartbreak" of some sort. Like he lost that person in his life. But he still has everything he had before her and he got someone else. Now let's put ALL my jokes on this topic aside and you know I'm talking about Ikarimoth, I'm dead serious rn, Tomoe is a replacement for Nathalie - it's clear as a day - but let's not forget Nathalie was a replacement for Emilie. While Gabriel is insanely obsessed with Emilie his biggest obsession is power and he never has enough of it and all these women in his life that come and go are just his collateral damage. Gabriel moved on after a day or two, he found a new, as I would say "side piece", which is exactly what Tomoe and Nathalie both were to him. I don't necessarily mean this as a sexual thing, but they are all replaceable to him. He can find a new one tomorrow and what's Nathalie going to do now that she's moments away from death? She'll probably never walk on her own again, which is like a metaphor that it isn't only her medical condition that is permanently damaged - it's her life too. She spent years on him and her heart is broken and she was his victim. We don't know if Tomoe will run away when Gabriel first tries to put her in the same position or if she'll let it happen until it's too late and when she wakes up it's over. But for Nathalie, you see how she came back to watch Adrien sleep because her life was this family, it was Gabriel mostly, she doesn't have anything else in her life. And now that she's not with him anymore, she's got nothing left. Abusive relationships are like that, it's like you're a part of a cult - your life revolves around your abuser and he's your whole world and once he's gone you don't have anything else to live for because they isolated you from the happiness you used to know - he's doing the same to Adrien as you could recognise from the way I worded it out. While abusers, or more precisely, Gabriel, has a life, he has other things to do, you're not the only thing he lives for, and that's why the break up is never as troubling for him as it is to you. (I'm saying "him" because I'm talking about a man in this case but abusers can be women as well, I'm just giving you example)

“How do I know you won’t use it against us?”

“If I wanted to hurt you, uncle… I would’ve done it a long time ago.”

Oh

OH HO!

I SAID SENTI-GABRIEL AND YA’LL LAUGHED

LAUGHED

And if you don’t agree? PLEASE send me some questions, because I am just itching to present all my evidence in an advanced theory

Maybe Felix/Adrien are sentihuman, yes. I’m not doubting that, but not many people have genuinely considered the Senti-Gabriel theory as well (and therefore, maybe a half-senti theory for Adrien) despite the fact everybody is magically created humans until proven otherwise nowadays. So I’m sure as hell going to suspect everybody while I can. Main villain included.

Recently, we’ve been theorising that the ring is Felix’s amok, but that’s so clearly wrong now. In that case, why would he willingly give away his own object? Gabriel could’ve just controlled him after grabbing it in order to go back on the deal. His nephew would’ve had no will to refuse, and Gabriel would’ve been all the better for it. I know what you’re thinking, maybe Gabriel’s a man of his contract and wouldn’t do that morally, but Felix wouldn’t trust him otherwise. Even then, why take the chance of him losing it, or breaking it with his escapades or even purposely as part of a plan? (Like -if my theory is true- Felix was implying above. If he wanted to cause Gabriel’s suffering, servitude or death, he would’ve done it. Seeing as it’s easy. As easy as a few words or a harsh throws).

If the ring held his amok, the trade in order to get the peacock would’ve been for nil. Felix is an intelligent teenager. He’d know not to do that, and he’d know to get a decent deal in return for his own. Just as Gabriel would know too. Hence? It’s not Felix’s amok. It’s Gabriel’s object, and I demand people hear me out this time.

This crack has turned serious, and only god himself is holding me back from writing a full blown analysis with the new information I have stocked up

Felix knew he was desperate to have it back, because along with sentimental value it clearly has a bigger yield then we’re aware of. The true reason as to why is still unknown to the fandom, but we can make guesses. Such as an amok. Plus, let’s be honest: Gabriel wouldn’t of trusted that deal one bit if the ring hadn’t been thrown into it as well, so it’s extremely important to him, not just something he wants superficially. So that means it holds more weight with Gabriel then we’re estimating.

Let’s say that Gabriel cares for it so much because it’s Adrien’s object instead. But the question still stands as to why. Felix has no reason to steal Adrien’s amok. He hasn’t used it to manipulate him, and it’s pretty clear Amelie would never openly allow Adrien’s ring to be taken like that. She’s happy to have the ring, and going off that fact she clearly cares for Adrien, it wouldn’t make sense to give it to Felix. There’s no logic or standpoint.

Anyhow, ever since stealing it, it hasn’t been used in anything but trade deals with Gabriel. Adrien’s choices in regard to him have been his own, or via Risk. So it can only mean something to Gabriel himself. That’s what makes a bargaining chip a bargaining chip. It has to have large stance on the target themselves.

So, a logical explanation to this? The ring is Gabriel’s amok. The very amok that gives him the powers to control people’s emotions and make them submissive, angry, or over all controlled ect. He only has to will it, and then interact with the ring in some way, and it happens. Which is why, when he gives the last ring up to Nathalie in Risk, she initiates the action for him. Anybody (in theory) could wield it and be the trigger of his power. By handing it over to Nathalie, he is affectively crowing her substitute of both his powers and his life.

He’s a sentimonster, and Amelie knows this. Although she doesn’t entirely trust him, she does hold a certain… care for him. Simply because her sister did. A ‘my sibling loves you, so I suppose I can learn to bear your general presence’ situation. One she glazed over with smiles and cheerful tones. Family must stick together, after all.

Through the childhood stories Felix was told (as mentioned in their debut) he knows this just as well. If the sentimonster theories are true, Felix has likely spent his WHOLE life learning that sentimonsters are just as human as any other person. That they have their own goals, their own desires, there own loves and their own emotions. Creator be dammed.

In this case, he wasn’t just hearing it too, he was seeing it in the allusion of his uncle. (Maybe even himself/his cousin too, but that’s another theory). Gabriel was a good man before Emilie’s disappearance, completely different (as Adrien has mentioned). That is who Felix knows. He knows that Gabriel has only changed recently because of all of this going on. That it’s for a better reason then he first believed (because now he’s aware of his Aunt’s unfortunate situation.)

Then there’s the possibility we were wrong about who the senti-twins are. What if it’s not Felix and Adrien. What if it’s Gabriel and Felix’s father. It would explain why Felix is so desperate for the peacock. He may not want another death like his father. Who presumably died because his object broke, or something else along those lines.

Felix believes (rightly) that things in Paris will go back to ‘normal’ once Emilie is safe and sound. While he is entirely selfish in nature, yes, he still fights for the greater good. His own goals are fulfilled along the way, but others are too if he can fit them in. Coupled with Felix’s genuine sadness at seeing a sentimonster destroyed because of his necessary actions (maybe even at betraying Ladybug as well), it paints a telling picture.

He sees all of this as a messy means to a better end

Gabriel is human in his eyes. As human as his own father, but he knows now that heroes won’t see it like that. He’s witnessed it time and time again, even partook in it this time, which is why his hatred for them grows as they throw one life away after another. Celebrating without any idea as to the severity of their actions brought on by improper knowledge. All of this, quite simply, is well out of proportion. For all sides.

So Felix has decided that it’s better to cut it all off, everybody is going to lose, because it’s needed. The heroes need to stop being able to kill sentis, and Gabriel needs to stop making them. He’s taking risks to get Emilie back, and (in the process) has steadily been losing himself. Most evident by his decent into insanity/impulsiveness. He’s losing the very part of him that makes him himself. Felix recognises that. He also sees that this is all in an effort to fulfil an old promise/order from Emilie, which is why he needs his uncle to both win and lose at the same time.

When he’d heard that the Peacock was in use, and now Gabriel pawning off his own kind, he couldn’t sit there and watch it. So he moves to stop it instead, with a few steadily placed steps. But, now you ask, why didn’t he just give an order to get what he wanted? Because, simply, he sees ordering a sentimonster around as immoral. Therefore, he refuses to do it, because that would essentially be betraying his own father. He just won’t take that route, not when he can play them like a fiddle instead just like he does every other person. His throw line is infinitely large and indiscriminate.

When Felix realised he’d well and truly won, he didn’t just hold the miraculous. He cradled it. Like a son who was far away from their parents finally reuniting. Maybe he’s fixing things, and maybe he’s trying to bring his father back. Then, we can toss in the idea that Adrien and Felix are half-breeds. A human and a sentimonster can have/bear children. So long as they are made that way. And, just because their parents are sentimonsters, this doesn’t mean they’ll disappear if their parents do. They aren’t vulnerable in that regard. If Felix’s father had his object broken, then Felix would live on. This sentimonster lore is cannon, as per Astruc on Twitter.

Either A: The sentimonsters object can control their children like themselves

Or B: Gabriel’s power (like suggested earlier) is coercion

When Gabriel says “us?” He doesn’t just mean the villainous cause. He literally means he and his son. The ring is a threat to his son’s happiness and his very existence.

Gabriel and Felix’s Father are the sentimonsters

Hear me out

Edit:

I may not be good in analysis but you don't need to have a genius mind to know that marinette deserves better

"Marinette doesn't face any consequence for her actions"

She saw her partner akumatized,her own corpse,the whole world fell apart in front of her just because she wanted to give adrien a gift

She blames herself for what happened with Master Fu and became the guardian

SHE LOST ALL THE MIRACULOUS BECAUSE "SHE COULDN'T TELL IT WAS FELIX" "SHE JUST WANTED ADRIEN TO STAY" "DIDN'T KNOW CHAT NOIRS IDENTITY" blah blah blah

So yeah she does face the consequences of her actions(more than anyone else actually)

"She threw chat noir in the trash"

I don't know who needs to hear this but she had every right to be mad

Can you imagine seeing pictures of you and someone you don't love kissing EVERYWHERE

Everyone kept asking her about it,assuming they were a couple,their pictures was on billboards

And he was joking about it even though she told him to stop

So she was right for being mad at him

And he deserved the confrontation

End of the story

"She's a stalker"

Let's look at the definition of stalking first

Stalking is defined as a pattern of unwanted behavior, directed at a specific person, which causes that person to change their routine or feel afraid, nervous or in danger

Nervous?in danger?afraid ?

Has Adrien ever been any of those things with marinette?Has he ever felt uncomfortable around her?

If you want to bring up the whole "she has his pictures on her wall" thing then ok

Adrien has ladybug's pictures inside his trophies

He has pictures of them kissing

If you want to call out a wrong behavior then do it with everyone

"She's a Mary Sue"

Mary Sue is a term used to describe a fictional character, usually female, who is seen as too perfect and almost boring for lack of flaws

A Mary Sue is a character that makes no mistakes , has no flaws, IS PERFECT

Is marinette any of those things?no

She makes mistakes

She has flaws

It makes sense that people think she's perfect since... well you know a little too talented

But she's not

She does have flaws

She does make mistakes

"She does everything wrong and makes mistakes"

This is really stupid

How she gets hate for both making and not making mistakes

Let me remind you that she's 14

13 when she got her miraculous

You want a 14 year old to do everything the right way?and even if she did,you would still hate her for being a boring protagonist

Making mistakes is ok

Learning from them is possible

Nobody is perfect

"She's abusive just like Gabriel"

You're comparing a teenage girl who has everyone's best interest at heart with...GABRIEL AGRESTE

Marinette is a teenager who is under a lot of pressure

She's going through alot

Being a teenager is hard

It's hard to control your emotions

Everything seems out of control

It's feels like you're breaking by every breath

Now imagine being a superhero who has to save everyone on a daily basis

Do you honestly think it's possible not to lash out or be mad sometimes

But she's doing her best to control her emotions and she never intentionally hurts anyone

Now Gabriel on the other hand

He is an adult

He's at least 35

He is fully aware of his actions

He can stop but he wont

He is fighting with two teenagers , abuses his son, INTENTIONALLY hurts people for his own gains

You really have the audacity to say these two are the same?

"She's not a good protagonist"

A good protagonist doesn't need a dark tragic past or heavy trauma to be interesting

Marinette is interesting on her own

And let's be honest Adrien wouldn't be a good protagonist

Yes he is my favorite character and I like him the most

But miraculous is interesting because of the mystery

If Adrien was the protagonist, it all would've been revealed way too soon

His schedule is the same

He doesn't make decisions(of course he does,but get the point)

His arc has been about being feeling left out for some time now

It wouldn't have worked

He and marinette are interesting the way they are

They make the plot interesting to watch the exact same way

"She can't struggle with her mental health since she has a healthy home life"

Yes,she can

She absolutely can

Trauma doesn't always come from family

It can be from losing someone

Seeing someone you love hurt and thinking it was because of you

Being bullied

Watching someone die

Yes marinette has an excellent support system

But that doesn't mean she can't be struggling

(Wstch strike back if you still doubt that)

So yeah marinette is over hated.

She does questionable stuff

Her decisions aren't always the best

But at the end she's a human and is allowed to live

She's a fictional character but there are people who attach themselves to characters

And hating the said characters for things that are normal?That can be a jerk move

You're allowed to not like her,everyone has different taste

It is interesting how much in s4 ends up as "damned if you do, damned if you don't", Ladybug using her yo-yo as a shortcut to the Miracle box for example:

In "Heart hunter" Marinette accidentally lead Hawkmoth to Fu by not detransforming before going to him to get a miraculous (the dragon) which ended in Fu giving her his guardianship in "Miracle Queen" to safe the day, and to avoid the same accidental mistake from happening again if she herself were return back home when she needs more miraculous for the battles Marinette chose to use her yo-yo as a shortcut to the Miracle box in s4.

On its own this makes sense and for the battle purposes it was a very good solution, but it also opened the path to directly go around the safety measure of the miraculous box and insider knowledge being NEEDED to get the miraculous that literally saved the heros in "Miracle Queen".

Because when Marinette chose to create the shortcut to her yo-yo and it then backfired in "Strike Back", as it honestly was to be expected in hindsight, Marinette also unfortunately ended up proofing Su-Han right to some solid degree that Guardians shouldn't be miraculous holders because through the yo-yo the Miraculous weren't under the protection of the guardian girl underneath the mask anymore who relies on the box to keep the miraculous safe but LADYBUG who cannot risk upholding this upmost important rule.

In "Miracle Queen" we saw that once Ladybug obtained the guardianship and the miracle box was changed neither Hawkmoth nor Chloe were able to use it anymore, so if the yo-yo shortcut hadn't existed in s4 then even if Félix had somehow managed to fetch the box itself Gabriel wouldn't have been able to do anything with it since he cannot open it

But she still needed an easier, much more safer day to day way of getting miraculous for the battles even if the yo-yo doesn't provide the same safety lock. So Hawkmoth ended up being able to get past the Miracle box' restrictions that screwed up his victory in "Miracle Queen" even if Marinette hasn't gotten the Box stolen from her which she dutifully hide away safely.

It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't. It unfortunately proofs Su-Han right but at the same time it's absolutely not that clear-cut either (and I'm not sure if Su-Han is even aware that she created a yo-yo shortcut and therefore couldn't bring this safety danger up towards her which definitely breaks guardians rules, we will have to wait for s5 to answer that because that's a plot point I can easily see the show simply having saved for after "Strike Back").

It was a logical thing to do for her Ladybug-Guardian situation and for the purpose Marinette relied on this shortcut it absolutely did its job perfectly, that's no question from the practical battle angle. But from the other angles it still remained a highly risky move she bet the safety of the miraculous on and this active risk she took the whole season ended up backfiring in the end

It's honestly a tragedy

because there wasn't a clear path she could have gone instead that would have 100% avoided a different negative outcome from happening either and she just didn't saw it or didn't wanted to do it. And yet this outcome is still no surprise at all concidering the gaping safety hole Marinette accidentally opened for someone to slip by through a single mistake by having created the yo-yo shortcut: