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My fucking LORD how is it that i always find the biphobic TOH assholes when Im looking for content thats NOT TOH related? And they are always fucking Lumity fans...
These people are incapable of calling Luz a bisexual - they always refer to her as gay or a lesbian - like JFC.
I'm so close to blocking the owl house tags because of this. I'm sick of finding toh art infesting content that's not even related to it, of lumity and huntlow being shoved down my throat, of Luz being called a lesbian, of the lack of solo non-romantic Luz fanart, and I'm so so so tired of people praising this show as one of the best cartoons ever when it's mediocre slop that couldn't deliver on the most basic of story elements
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I am actually serious when I say I will not watch or read a review by a Lumity fan who doesnt like Lunter because fans who are just Lumity shippers are going to pretend Luz isnt the "Evelyn" to Hunter's "Caleb" and that those weird ass Lunter hints from Sense and Insensitivity dont exist. AND they will pretend Luz is a lesbian by not pointing out how the type of boy she likes are angsty warrior princes. They are completely and utterly spineless [also biphobic] so their reviews are not going to be objective in the slightest lmao.
I get people want Caleb to be a flawed character but there is just something weird about putting any blame on him for Philip's indoctrination.
Both of them are literally children when they're orphaned... Caleb is not that much older than Philip. So it's like... of course they're both going to try to fit into the town...
I also can't get behind the notion that Caleb actually left Philip when they were teenagers because of a cute witch girl, since TTT implies Caleb and Evelyn were meeting in secret for an unspecified amount of time. Masha says that alot of rebuses were dug up in Old Gravesfield. Another thing people are forgetting is that the doors fixed location in the human realm is Caleb's and Philip's house, so it's not like Caleb was completely cut off from Philip. He can drop by to see his brother whenever he wants to.
Caleb ditching Philip right out of the gate doesnt make sense to me when you take in the other details. Like yeah, we dont have the full backstory but there are clues within the show that say Caleb and Evelyn were seeing each other in secret for some time. If Caleb didnt actually care about Philip... then Caleb would not have gone back to the human realm after visiting Evelyn. The rebuses are a clear indication that Caleb was living in the human realm and went off occasionally to see Evelyn in secret. While we dont have the entire backstory there are enough details to say Caleb didnt abandon Philip when they were both teenagers.
It's actually just facts that Caleb WAS involved with Philip into adulthood, it's seen in the paintings in Hollow mind! This one below shows Philip is older when Caleb explores TBI, because he has the same ponytail as he does in the next painting where he's clearly a teen or adult. We know Caleb doesn't settle down in TBI until he has short hair, so he's clearly traveling between realms.
There's also the gravesfield statue of Caleb & Philip, which points to them being together in adulthood. Caleb has short hair, indicating it's after he settles in TBI with Evelyn.
We also know that Caleb was actively witch hunting as a teen because (1) He's leading the charge in the paintings and (2) Philip styles himself like Caleb.
At first, I thought Philip was just styling himself in his old clothes, but his outfit is the same one featured on Caleb in Masha's play, so his ponytail & coat are a direct imitation of Caleb. Philip is focused on preserving the image of witch hunter Caleb, so ponytail Caleb was a witch hunter before meeting Evelyn.
Now their ages. I'm calling ponytail Caleb a teenager and Philip's caretaker. I'm inferring this from Masha's story and the Hollow mind paintings, though the paintings seem like they're close in age in some scenes and further in age in others, but it consistently looks like an older brother playing with a younger one. I'm also assuming ponytail Caleb was Hunter's age, so that's 16 years old. Going with the Lunter parallels, this would be the age Caleb met Evelyn. Philip is also very immature in hollow mind, so he has to be fairly young during the time Caleb and Evelyn meet.
Caleb's move to TBI wasn't because of Philip, We know this because Caleb was still on good terms with him (he doesn't react with hostility when he meets Philip in TBI). So Caleb moved either because it was safer in general with witch hunting still going on or he just enjoyed living in TBI more.
Okay, so back to the statue. It points to some notoriety in the town, which confuses me. What are they famous for?
Is it because they're town founders? That's impossible because they lived in gravesfield as orphans, can't found a town as children.
Is it because of Caleb or Philip's tales of their adventures on TBI? Well no, because no information about TBI is given in historical accounts in the human realm.
I theorize that Philip becomes the witch hunter with notoriety in the human realm and the statues put up later to him and Caleb are because of Caleb's inclusion in his biased historical accounts. He portrayed Caleb as a great witch hunter who was led astray (by Evelyn)
Either way, I think Caleb meeting with Evelyn was NOT a secret from Philip and he was well aware of her existence and their relationship
Anyone reading, feel free to correct any of the above info. But this was all to get to my "flawed caleb" headcanon
I know people think Caleb is some little kid who doesn't know any better and give Philip less leeway because we know how his story turns out, but Caleb is clearly the older, more responsible party, because besides visually being represented as older compared to Philip, who is always shown as a child in this backstory, Caleb assumed to be the one taking care his brother's needs while they're orphaned - this being basic shelter, food, and finances.
Philip actually is a literal child who looks up to Caleb, so Caleb does bare some responsibility in indoctrinating his brother into witch hunting. Philip wouldn't have gone down that path if not encouraged by Caleb because Caleb is his motivation for everything he does.
Caleb was just witch hunting to "fit in", but Philip whole heartedly believed witches were bad. Philip was an impressionable kid and indoctrination roots much deeper in children then it would in a teen.
Caleb meeting Evelyn doesn't carry the baggage with it that Philip meeting Evelyn would, so Caleb had an easier time changing then Philip. Philip's indoctrination makes it harder to unlearn his beliefs and he doubled down on them after his brother met Evelyn, because Philip, being a child, didn't like that he was no longer the center of Caleb's life (and that's not to say Caleb neglected him, but now he had other things on his mind). Then Caleb began to scold Philip for doing something he originally praised (witch hunting & speaking badly on witches), but Philip doesn't understand why witch hunting is suddenly bad now, because he doesn't have those formative, eye opening experiences with Evelyn that Caleb had and on top of that, Evelyn has only made his life "worse."
By the time Philip came to TBI, he was so deeply against witches and upset about Evelyn "stealing" away his brother that he was beyond change
Caleb's flaw is that he was oblivious to how deeply rooted Philips negative feelings were, he made witches the focal point of a lot of his interactions/conversations with Philip (thus Philip feels more alienated), and he excluded Philip from his adventures with Evelyn (ex: Caleb jumping through the portal to explore TBI & leaving Philip behind, which probably isn't the first time he's done this). Even when Caleb and Philip hang out, it's normally in the human realm, rather then in TBI.
Philip never got the first hand experience of getting to know witches other then Evelyn, he only has Caleb's second hand accounts. This is a problem, because he perceives Evelyn as the source of all bad things in his life (thus will be closed off to any interactions she has with him), so meeting other witches in his early years and Caleb spending time with him as just siblings, no Evelyn or witch involvement, may have changed his outlook / made Philip feel less like his brother was chosing Evelyn over him, thus more open to changing his views about witches.
Now it's not Caleb's responsibility to "fix" Philip when he's a grown adult, but I hc that Caleb didn't really take Philips anti-witch feelings as seriously as he should have and every red flag went unnoticed, so his attempts at reaching out were lackluster and superficial (ex: happily the hugging Philip as if the solution would be that simple) and he inadvertently put his wife & child in danger.
Sorry, I just love flawed Caleb and Philip being a monster of his own creation as a way for his witch hunter past to haunt him. I just think that concept is neat.
Okay, so this is a revision of that huge asf Lunter post i made before FTF aired:
Here's how the Luz/Caleb parallels don't work: here
So, for this one I'm going to point out all the... totally Sibling symbolism... between the two of them and specific details that tie them to Caleb/Evelyn.
Witches Before Wizards: Luz crushing on the prince character. First of all, you do know Nevareth didn't have to be a prince right? He could have literally been any other archetype. Also, Hunter is nearly identical to him character design wise, because:
He's older than her.
2. The angsty, warrior teen prince archetype
3. Has a compelling and tragic backstory.
4. Is on a quest of vengeance with Luz [after the events of Thanks to Them].
5. Had an animal sidekick.
6. Very similar shoulder armor Hunter has when he's in his GG uniform. There's no reason for him to wear gold shoulder armor so similar to the only other prince character in the show. it's also on the same shoulder Hunter wears his on.
7. Their hair length is the same and the hair on the top of their heads is slicked back [after Thanks to Them].
8. Nevareth and Hunter now have the same eye color.
9. I thought Nevareth's anime sword was just a anime reference, but we can see Hunter was initially conceptualized as a sword wielder
The curvy sword he used to have was repurposed into the dagger Philip uses to kill Caleb. You can also see this dagger in Hunters room in ASIAS and HP. And the character in the stain glass window is Hunter because they have the same profile:
10. This one is self explanatory.
I also want to show you the way their first appearances are contrasted... cuz I think it's neat
The hints that will forever haunt me in Sense and Insensitivity:
"Luzura's tears fell on the frozen prince bringing him back to life."
So, I just wanted to highlight the dialouge here:
King: Luzura's tears fell on the frozen prince bringing him back to life? It feels a little unrealistic.
Luz: I see what you're saying, but in your version Ruler just destroys everything. I think a little romantic tension can help the scene.
2. Luz's drawing of herself kissing a prince that looks like Hunters early design in a story she wrote about her self-insert character. This is very suspicious because this episode actually does spoil some plot points that happen later in the series. The example i used in the first point foreshadowed Hunter dying and coming back to life. Im also going to include King's dialogue while this kiss is in the foreground, so you can see why this scene drives me fucking crazy
3. Look I know Huntlows are gonna chug their copium and pretend like this kiss is supposed to be between Hunter and Willow. But if they actually payed attention to this episode they'd realize that the story the lizard man is holding is about Luz's self-insert character. Here's what her self-insert character looks like BTW:
As you can clearly see, her self insert has POINTY EARS, not round ones! So this kiss is obviously supposed to be Luz and Hunter and not Willow and Hunter lol.
We ALSO know Luz has a thing for princes as this was presented in Witches Before Wizards [kind of suspicious its being brought up again... in an episode that foreshadows other events that have come to pass in the series]. So this is... obviously supposed to be Luz and not Willow.
This kiss is extra sus when you remember this card is in the episode:
This isn't Luz - it's Amity. In this episode, Luz and King are writing a story about their self-inserts. So the Prince and this girl on the heartbreak card are stand-ins for Hunter and Amity... because they are her Love Interests... Again, this episode spoils some plot points that happen later in the series... so you can see why this is something Im going to be wondering about for years to come. Why is Amity on a heartbreak card?
"And maybe [I'll] meet a hot yet vulnerable upperclassmen."
Look... this show is filled with shit that makes no sense to me in hindsight. I dont know if this dialogue was hinting at Hunter appearing at school at some point, but Im taking this line for the Lunter shippers since Hunter's the only kid in the main cast thats older than Luz. He's the only one who qualifies to be an upperclassman.
Okay so before I even get to the fakeout kiss moment I want to tell you this is what Hunter looks like when he teleports back to the ship...
People say this is just him being confident... but idk man this looks more firty than confident. He also says "Hiiiiiii" in a sus manner... Later in the episode he talks to Luz in a way that sounds confident and weirdly flirty... and he never sounds like this again... I cant upload more clips and I dont really want to make separate posts just for those clips... but like, just go and watch these parts of the episode to see what i mean.
Fake Out Kiss moment:
This...
Is literally a callback to this (proof of concept video)
Despite this biphobic fanbases insistence Luz is a lesbian and think the story would somehow be "better" if she was one... she is not and she will never be one. Cry about it. Luz is also into boys - and she's into boys like Hunter - the angsty warrior princes who are older than her. So you can see why I think people who headcanon them as siblings are weird as fuck. Especially after they see this obvious fake-out kiss moment. Like seriously, people who draw them as siblings are fucking weirdos - this is something ill never EVER change my mind on lmao.
Moving on....
2. Flapjack connects Luz and Hunter the same way he connects Evelyn and Caleb:
Without Evelyn, Caleb would have never received Flapjack. If Evelyn never showed him how magic wasn't this evil and dangerous thing that should be feared and destroyed, Flapjack would have never been created. We still dont know WHO carved Flapjack. What Dana said in her post series Livestream was just her HEADCANON. This is something we'll never know most likely. As i doubt TOH is going to get a spin-off. But the point is... without Evelyn, Caleb would have never received Flapjack.
Hunter was taught to fear wild magic because it's dangerous. Wild magic is the reason why his family was wiped out. Luz's and Hunter's meeting in Hunting Palismen was integral for Hunter's growth. If Luz didn't show him wild magic wasn't dangerous, Hunter would have shunned Flapjack. Without Luz, Hunter would have never received his greatest source of emotional support. Without Flapjack, Hunter would not have gone back to save Willow and Gus from Darius. Hunter only went back to save them because he knew Willow's and Gus' palismen would get killed by Belos.
Flapjack is also the physical representation of Caleb and Evelyns love... So, now do you see why Luz giving Flapjack to Hunter is inherently a romantic gesture? Like lol...
3. Hunter could have taken the palismen from Luz
Hunter can teleport... he could have literally teleported to Luz as she was flying away on Kikimora's dragon and restrained her with ease if he really wanted to... like he did literally at the beginning of the episode. He could have also sent scouts to retrieve the palismen at the school. BUT HE DIDNT.
Hunter willingly disobeys the man who gave him everything knowing full well his physical safety could be put at risk. In Hunting Palismen and ASIAS it is implied Belos gave him his cheek scar. In the past, Hunter did something that required him to "earn" a second chance from Belos. Whatever this was we dont know - but Hunter's cheek scar is most likely something Belos gave him to teach him a "lesson".
Again, Hunter is choosing to disobey Belos - his abuser - for Luz even though he barely knows her, she's a wild witch, she's the protégé of a notorious wild witch AND he has the power to take those palismen away from her. Like... this is a big fucking deal lol. ESPECIALLY when you remember Caleb "betrayed" Philip for a witch. A witch - a.k.a a person that was considered evil and dangerous during Philips time period. Wild Witches are considered evil and dangerous in Hunter's time...
Hunter has been raised to believe wild magic wiped out his family, so him helping out a wild witch knowing his abuser could physically harm him for failing to bring him any palismen is FUCKING HUGE. This is why its weird to me when people call Hunter selfish... like the kid literally let Luz go and didnt bother to send any scouts to the school to get the palsimen... it didnt benefit him at all to show Luz this kindness.
4. Hunter tells Luz his name after she expresses disappointment in him and he protects her from Kikimora. Again, he doesnt have to protect Luz but he does... cuz hes not completely devoid of humanity.
It really is funny... like people dont realize Luz needed to be written out of ASIAS and Eclipse Lake because Hunter would have folded like an envelope the moment Luz expresses disappointment in him.
When looking for a first and last name to call himself by, Flapjack coins in the name "Caleb". Which Hunter uses for his first name. Again, Luz is forced into a b-plot because if she was there, Hunter would have joined her side right then and there LOL.
We have the Grimwalker that looks the most like Caleb running away from Philip with a witch from another world... Both at the end of the episode and during the episode. You might be thinking, " but that monster wasn't Philip"... but... it doesnt matter because that is what Philip's monster form looks like...
2.) The jacket Luz wears in Hollow Mind has a big ol' "E" on it. It's a jacket that belongs to Eda... a Clawthorn... Evelyn also begins with an "E"... Golly, I wonder what the significance of an "E" on Luz's jacket could possibly mean in an episode that directly parallels Luz and Hunter with Caleb and Evelyn... It really is a mystery! [If you cant tell im being sarcastic]
Here's a picture of Luzs jacket:
Another thing... Look at whats going on here in this scene...
^ This portrait is in the the background of the above scene just so you know. And the scene with Luz, Hunter and "Philip" looks nearly identical to this painting...
3. This is the episode where we get these portraits, which by the way were not shown in this order during the episode. Someone on reddit put these images in this order. Again, TOH was made for nerds who like to look for the hidden details and find out how they fit together (me, im the nerd this show was made for.):
... The first portrait in the second row is a memory of Caleb choosing to go with Evelyn over Philip... shown to us in an episode where Hunter - the Grimwalker who looks the most like Caleb - runs away from Philip with a witch from another world... Like Hunter literally turns around to look at Philip as he's running away with Luz just like Caleb turns around to look at Philip when Evelyn is leading him away. Haunting, absolutely haunting.
4. I just want to say: in the painting where Caleb and Philip meet Evelyn for the first time, Caleb looks around Hunter's age - I'm basing this on how young Philip looks here and that he's holding the mask Caleb carved for him. Actually,, Here's the updated Hollow Mind portraits posted on TWT so you can see what Im talking about:
[link]
So, while the play in TTT and the book in Yesterday's Lie implied they met Evelyn as adults it actually looks like they met her when they were teenagers.
OH WAIT, I need to point out that they did these parallels WHILE LUZ IS DATING AMITY. This episode comes after Knock Knock Knockin on Hootys door, the episode where they officially start dating.
5. Another connection Hunter has with Caleb is that he's also a witch-hunter... His name is a short-hand for witch-hunter... Belos has been training him to be a witch-hunter because he expects every clone of his brother to be a witch-hunter... because you know... Caleb WAS a witch-hunter before he "betrayed" Philip...
Okay where do I begin with this one... Let me say this again, pretty much confirm Hunter/Luz = Caleb/Evelyn AND they confirm these parallels WHILE LUZ IS STILL DATING AMITY.
First of all, they didnt need to give Hunter Calebs hairstyle. It's the same length but Hunter's is more unkept. They could have done that trope where the possessed characters hair returns to normal after they're unpossessed. Like... WHY did Hunter need to have a change in eye color and hair color if it wasnt going to go anywhere?
2. They did not need to make Luz look like Evelyn. Like... why does Evelyn have brown hair lol.
3. The framing on the carriage ride is really... interesting. First of all, they make Hunter sit next to Luz and not Willow as Masha is telling everyone The Tale of The Brothers Wittebane... a story where Caleb and Philip meet a witch from another world.... as Hunter is dressed as a human character and Luz is dressed as a witch character... and we know from Hollow Mind that Calebs and Evelyns relationship was a romantic one...
Oh right, and they only frame Luz's and Hunter's reactions to hearing Masha say how the brothers met a witch from another world name Evelyn... And Luz is the only character in the cast who fits the whole "witch from another world" theme
This is exactly how this scene happens btw
AND THEN Luzs and Hunters reactions are framed again while Masha says that maybe Philip is still chasing his brother, caught in a cycle of horror and strife...
Also in the storyboard version of this scene only Hunter and Luz have a negative facial expression.
Oh right and Flapjack is in this play... Evelyn is presenting Caleb with Flapjack, which neatly ties in with Hunting Palismen where Luz introduces Flapjack to Hunter
4. Philip calls Luz Evelyn before he tries killing Flapjack right in front of her. Then moments later, when Philip leaves Hunters body, he calls him Caleb AGAIN.
5. So, this isn't a parallel but I still want to talk about it: When Hunter asks Luz how she feels after what happened in Hollow Mind, she gives him a straight answer and even tears up in front of him. This is a big deal because when Luz has been prompted by other people, including her own girlfriend, about how she feels after a great emotional upset, she'll be vague, make something up, or tell them not to worry about it. Which is very fucking strange given what happens in FTF - where Luzs and Hunters bond is completely discarded even though TTT focuses on their relationship. Like Hunter literally asks her to help him fight Philip and he died and came back right before her eyes... but they treat each other more like strangers in FTF. Also in FTF Luz is the only one to ask Hunter if hes okay after Willow shows him the picture of Flapjack. Luz asking Hunter if hes okay comes a little to late in the episode to feel natural, but its still so fucking funny how LUZ asks Hunter if he's okay and not Willow... Like Willow deadass shows hunter a picture of his dead friend and for some reason HUNTER has to be the one to apologize to Willow when she gets upset over Hunter not responding the way she expected him to... Like my god... Anyways here are some links examining how Luz tends to keep her real feelings bottled up with other people vs Hunter.
(more in detail here. and here, aaaaand here. one more)
6. Hunter has his most vulnerable moment with Luz and not the girl he's crushing on. This writing choice makes no sense given what happens in FTF, where they focus on Hunter's relationship with Willow... but they dont actually canonize Huntlow. You... kind of have to make one character confess to the other in order for a relationship to start. Very, very strange to me... Yes even if its m/f you have to have a confession because... that's romance 101, buddy.
Again, FTF makes no sense with the context of Thanks to Them. In Thanks to Them, they focus on Luzs and Hunters relationship and bring Caleb and Evelyn to the forefront. So you think FTF and WAD are going to focus more on Hunters and Luzs relationship because theyve been established as Caleb/Evelyn.... they do not. All of Luzs scenes with Hunter could have gone to Willow in TTT considering what happens in FTF and WAD.
Like seriously, why didnt they make Huntlow canon is TTT and give all of Luzs scenes to Willow? Fanservice thats why, lol.
7. While I don't know every single detail about Hecate (the goddess) i do notice some similarities between her and Hunter. I also want to point out that the wolves on the shirt are Luz, the Hexside gang, Vee and Camila.
... People do not fucking get that this shirt didn't need to look like this... but they went out of their way to make it pretty clear this is supposed to be Luz, Camila, Vee and the Hexside gang.
The wolf with red eyes is obviously Hunter, the one behind it is Luz, the biggest one on the bottom left-hand side is Camila, the brown one is Vee, the blue one is Gus, the magenta one is Amity, and the greenish one is Willow.
But isn't it suspicious that the wolf representing Luz is right behind the one that represents Hunter...
Also just so you know, Luz's school team is called "Wolves". AND this scene at school comes BEFORE Hunter shows Gus his wolf shirt:
As of WAD this choice to color-code the wolves on Hunters shirt AND to put the wolf that's obviously Luz behind Hunter AND to call Luz's school team Wolves is going to haunt me for the rest of my life :)
8. Hunter has the same death pose as Caleb:
9. Philip : "Caleb, you would stab me in the back?"
Luz : "You did it to him first."
... Please just look at the painting of dead Caleb...
10. Flapjack only let Hunter and Luz use him. And he flies to Luz when he's mortally wounded.
11. They also made sure Luz was the one to express the most worry over Hunter drowning and not the girl he's crushing on. Luz was about to jump into the water to get Hunter if Camila wasn't faster on the response. I also need to point out Luz was the ONLY ONE who couldnt fight Hunter. She was the only one holding back. Im not counting Vee in the same group as Luz because while she didn't throw anything at him her magic absorption abilities could have damaged him. Hunter is a GRIMWALKER, Vee's attempt to such the magic out of him could have had negative consequences on him.
Sooooo.... again... Why did Thanks to Them focus on Luz's and Hunter's bond if they were going to pretend like it didnt exist in FTF and focus on Willows and Hunter's dynamic instead? So fucking weird.
The fact that they dont even show us Evelyn is very suspicious. I still do not understand why her appearance is kept in the dark. She couldnt even appear as a "ghost" in FTF. "They didn't have time" BULLSHIT - they had time, they just wasted it on FUCKING BOSCHA and school shit that exists specifically for Huntlow bait. They had the time but focused on the wrong shit because they didnt have the spine to show us Evelyns face.
Also i want to point out that Caleb's ghost is him when he was a teenager. Caleb died when he was a grown ass man and he didnt have a pony tail when he died. So like... Why does his "ghost" look like that?
12.) Evelyn was a Clawthorn
The way she is depicted in the play in TTT is heavily inspired by Eda. Her name is very similar to Eda's actual name: Edalyn (who is an actual Clawthorn by blood btw)
Luz is not a Clawthorn, but he is heavily associated with the Clawthorns - she is Eda's protégé. Also Luz does count as a witch even if she is not an "actual witch". God damn, do I really need to explain how Luz doesn't need a bile sac to be considered a witch? Im sure the people who are reading this have paid enough attention to TOH to realize Luz is considered a wild witch since she practices wild magic. She is also the ONLY CHARACTER who shares the whole "witch from another world" theme with Evelyn.
I also want to point out Hunter and Luz's costumes again: Luz is dressed as a witch while Hunter is cosplaying as a human... A witch and a human... gee that sounds familiar dont it?
I also want to point out that Willow's costume takes design cues from both of Evelyns INNACURATE and STEREOTYPICAL appearances. She has Evelyns devil tale from Jacobs book [Yesterdays Lie. Theres a picture of this depiction in the point that comes after this one] and she has the striped green tights from her depiction in Thanks to Them.
I also want to point out another thing that makes Evelyn a Clawthorn: the vial of titan blood has an owl head on it - which is another symbol that associates her with Eda. Also all the Clawthorns we've seen in the show have bird themed palismen
13.) Flapjack belonged to Caleb and not Evelyn: Flapjack was searching the house for the rebus... because that was Caleb's house... he knew Caleb hid it somewhere under the floorboards, but couldnt remember its exact location. Flapjack was with Caleb enough for people to record him of him in a "history" book:
there he is sitting on Calebs shoulder
14.) Oh right, So another obvious detail that connects Hunter to Caleb is that during the carriage ride, a piece of animation from Hollow Mind plays with Masha voicing over it. This piece of animation is the part where Belos flicks Hunters hair before he tries killing him. Masha address Hunter as Caleb during this voice over... like i have no fucking idea how yall could have missed that detail lmao.
Amity: Admit it Hunter, you're in love with my girlfriend.
Hunter: Luz Noceda? No Amity I only see her as a friend i- *trips* *thousands of pictures of Luz spill from his pockets* fuck those aren’t mine i swear i’m just holding them for a friend i- *slips on a pile of pictures* fu ck no they’re not mine I only see her as a friend i just- *more pictures fall out as he falls to his knees, desperately trying to pick them up* hang on a sec jUst LISTEN
Im honestly wondering how they're gonna fuck up Marshall Lees and Gumballs relationship since adults in the animation field cannot write believable and healthy romances [regardless if its m/f, f/f, and m/m] to save their lives lmao.
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... No I will not pretend like Hunter wouldn't steal Amity's girlfriend. Especially not after TTT... that steal your girlfriend energy is still in him, even on a subconscious level.
Straight up people were so cringe for actually believing Luz was gonna kill Hunter in WAD during the dream sequence. People have literally never payed attention to a single literature class in their lives if they think Luz is supposed to be the Philip to Hunters Caleb.
Luz literally has a thing for princes so idk how anyone could think Hunter was going to be her brother. Just because she shares some traits with the villain doesnt mean shes going to fill in the sibling spot for Hunter. That's crazy to me. I know its because people are addicted to the biphobia coolaide but this is still pretty cringe. Luz is the Evelyn to Hunters Caleb since she is the only one who fits the whole "witch from another world" theme AND she's the most important character in Hunters arc... shes there for all of his major moments.
She plays the role of Evelyn in Hunter's story so it is so unbelievably braindead to think these two are siblings just because they dont get together. TOH fanbase really is the worst fanbase ever lol.
People keep saying Willow is asian, but no she isn't? Willow canonically has given us no reason to think she's anything but white.
Her name is Willow Park - Ok so the plant girl has a plant related name, so that means she's asian rather than just having a name that's a pun? The surname "Park" doesn't even have the same racial origin in TBI as it would in the human world so it means nothing.
One of her dad's is asian! - How do we know he's asian? How do we know willow isn't adopted? We don't even know how same sex couples reproduce on TBI.
TBI doesn't have the racial dichotomy of the human world either. There is only black and white, as in skin tones, not specific races such as korean, german, etc. because those do not exist on TBI and making any references to them (such as Willow expressing korean culture) would not make any sense from a world building point of view and there's no analogous races in TBI. There isn't any racial world building in general in TOH.
Gus is black but he is not african american, because that doesn't exist on TBI. Willow can get away with being asian but visually, an asian character doesn't really look any different from a white character without dipping into racial stereotypes. Willow isn't from the human world so that eliminates any real world ways to show this, and Willow isn't shown to have any unique TBI traditions or culture in her family that resemble any particular asian culture.
So all she really has is the long standing stereotype in kids cartoons that black hair = the asian girl, even when the world she lives in isn't even the human world (thus there's no reason to believe that black hair is specific to the asian analogous races of TBI).
Only word of god confirms Willow's race and quite frankly, if it isn't in the show and there was no circumstances preventing it from being shown, it doesn't exist. Head canons aren't facts.
I legitimately cannot take Lunter = Siblings truthers seriously because it requires me to pretend Luz doesn't have a thing for princes [Witches Before Wizards and Sense and Insensitivity] and it requires me to pretend Luz isn't the only character who shares the whole "witch from another world" theme with Evelyn.
It requires me to pretend that Hunter would talk to his sibling the flirty way he talks to Luz.
It requires me to pretend that some how Luz is meant to parallel Philip or Caleb, neither of which makes any narrative sense.
It requires me to pretend that Hunter would crush on some random girl he was willing to sell out for a cloak over the girl who changed the course of his entire life for the better.
I like how Hunter's character before and after his redemption is just like:
Pre-Redemption: Would come come up with a 1000 step plan to steal Luz from Amity.
Post-Redemption: Will not intentionally steal Luz from Amity but he needs to become a homewrecker for plot reasons - which creates the perfect storm for Luz and Amity to break-up.
I get the feeling Hunter (& Amity's) personalities change drastically post redemption because the crew thought they'd be too unlikeable if they acted like themselves
Hexaquad Amity is more palatable if they rewrite her personality to be the perfect always agreeable girlfriend with no flaws.
Homewrecker hunter is more palatable and unnoticeable if he's an uwu sad boy that doesn't mean to undermine Luz's gf all the time.
I also get the feeling they think a character must be completely nice and agreeable all the time (along with being tormented for no reason) to be considered a good person and truly redeemed. By doing this they create uninterested and less human characters.
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Crazy how Amity is assumed lesbian before she's even announced as one in canon (despite her drawing herself romantically with someone the audience wasn't sure was male, female, or nb. I've even seen the argument that if the drawing was of a man, then it's compulsory heterosexuality, even though that concept doesn't exist on TBI because they're completely accepting of LGBT+) and then we see her lesbian pride patch in season 3. There's no argument over her sexuality.
Meanwhile, Hunter is also assumed gay but immediately shit on for being "straight" the moment lunter shippers showed their faces and the concept of him being bi is immediately dismissed.
Luz and Hunter are both confirmed bi in canon but somehow their sexualities are always up for debate. Luz is always called a lesbian and her relationships and attraction to men are seen as invalid and a threat to lesbians. Hunter is constantly argued to be straight and people will dislike him purely for this reason.
I think there needs to be a conversation on how bisexuality is only seen through the lense of gay-lite or straight-lite rather then bi.
Because this means...all the "foreshadowing" was just her making things up with no idea of what direction she was going in or having any intentions of answering the questions she put forth.
I'm inclined to believe Dana didn't reveal Belos' backstory because she doesn't actually know what it is, hence the wittebane brothers going from town founders to orphans lol
We don't see Evelyn because Dana never actually figured out the Caleb/Evelyn story and doesn't know what Evelyn looks like
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