I love being a die-hard fan because, yes, I'm everywhere all the time as long as there's at least one gay person around. Arcane? Yes. Tian Guan Ci Fu? Yes. Mo Dao Zu Shi? Yes. Hannibal? Yes. Good Omens? Yes. Our Flag Means Death? Yes. Sherlock Holmes? Yes. All For The Game? Yes. The Iliad and the Odyssey? Yes. Dungeon Meshi? Yes. Dr. House? Yes. Radio Silence? Yes. The Moomins? Yes. If We Were Villains and The Secret History? Yes. The Hobbit? Yes. The Starless Sea? YES.
Don't mess with me because I WILL watch your favorite series/read your favorite book JUST to read their fanfics. And I WILL watch completely different pieces of media and ship two characters that don't even exist in the same universe (don't argue with me about spacedogs).
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…okay so what if the problem with the taomeba never happened on the way back home. What if the radiation never got onto the Blip-A. What if Rocky ended up back on Erid, and Grace made it back to Earth. What if they missed each other desperately forever.
What if Grace made a lopsided crochet Rocky and cuddled it every night.
What if Rocky couldn’t stop making xenonite puppets of his alien friend.
What if I made myself cry, what about that? Huh? What then?
i love the "grace somehow lives as long as an eridian" interpretations of the movie ending cuz i honestly think something like that could happen in cannon and it wouldn't feel out of place.
like they all are solomely accepting the fact that grace is going to die in like a scary amount of eridian years, and then as he gets to like 90 everyone is bracing for it, but he just...keeps aging. he keeps his mobility- if anything his back is getting worse cuz of the slightly increased gravity, and his health seems to be steady. on the day of graces 122nd birthday (the oldest a human has ever lived) the eridian scientists that study grace are like. hey. what the fuck. and grace is like ┐(´~`ˇ)┌
I wore a ribbon in my hair today to go out and I loved it, but I'll never love it like Lan Wangji, who almost cried with anger when Wei Wuxian took his forehead ribbon off in front of everyone when they were teenagers
One thing I've noticed is a constant in reviews that give The Starless Sea less than four stars is that these people haven't understood that, however significant and important the characters are to the story, the book isn't necessarily about them. The book is for the Starless Sea. It's about the Starless Sea. It's about this beautiful, wonderful, and melancholic place and its history (and if that includes our heroes, our characters, then so be it.) It's about forgotten gods writing their own myths. It's not meant to make sense, it doesn't need to make sense. We don't have to understand everything. It's not about that.
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Some dejointed drawings and doodles of my own post-canon headcanons! Where humans send a ship to their neighbors in order to meet them, and make sure their sun didnt die in case Rocky wasn't successful, but end up finding a very much alive Ryland Grace, looking younger than he should and living his best life on Erid
I'm just fascinated by the idea of humans and eridians collaborating and what that would look like. We are so advanced in some areas they lack, while they are so advanced in some areas where WE lack due to our respective biologies, the progress from both sides would be insane.
Of course, Eridians would also want to go to Earth, and is only fair they get a nice place to stay too. Maybe is then Grace decides to go back, to act as an ambassador for the Eridians, to see the place he worked so hard to keep alive. But i think eventually, after many years living on Earth (specially with the extended lifespan) he would want to go back, yeah the 2gs suck on his bones but he has more of a home on Erid than he ever did on Earth, anyway, there's people waiting for him there.
ryland grace is aroace. however he is also stratt’s dead wife, rocky’s red string of fate starcrossed soulmate, & intensely violently homosexual for mark “simon iron lung” iplier. all things are true & all things can coexist. peace & love on planet erid
a paper star folded from a page removed from a book
There is a stag in the snow.
Blink and he will vanish.
Was he a stag at all or was he something else?
Was he a sentiment hanging unspoken or a path not taken or a closed door left unopened?
Or was he a deer, glimpsed amongst the trees and then gone, disturbing not a single branch in his departure?
The stag is a shot left untaken. An opportunity lost.
Stolen like a kiss.
In these new forgetful times with their changed ways sometimes the stag will pause a moment longer.
He waits though once he never waited, would never dream to wait or wait to dream.
He waits now.
For someone to take the shot. For someone to pierce his heart.
To know he is remembered.
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Feeling brutally emotional about this all over again today.
I have not once ever read this before and thought "that is Dorian". But I did today.
This passage comes immediately after the scene of Dorian standing outside the Gryphon and looking in at Zachary, before Zachary has met him, thinking "Let me tell you story". There is a whole book divide (this is the opening of Book V: Written in the Stars) between that last scene and this one, but Dorian was just there in the narrative, standing with frozen fingers, after a long period of waiting where nothing has happened, looking in at the man he is beginning to wonder about.
I have come a long way following Dorian and the extraordinary path he is on from the events of this book forwards, and it's making my heart hurt (like Eleanor: "the part about the stag in the snow that made her heart hurt") just thinking about it.
I am currently in the middle of a major Fateheart re-edit ahead of getting myself a commemorative custom-bound edition made, and I have never quite been happy with the opening moment. One of the things I wanted to come back to was this moment with the stag, because in many ways I have most closely linked the image to Kat throughout the follow-up story - I am not sure why or how I never thought to read this as Dorian before.
But also because I am knee-deep in Fateheart again I want to just sit with this line by line: (lengthy exegesis below the cut)
There is a stag in the snow.
'Stag' being at least in UK culture the image of the single man - connotations of masculinity, even within the bounds of it being the male of the species who grow antlers. 'In the snow' - positions this directly in parallel to the previous scene: "Dorian stands in the snow with shaking, near-frozen fingers and scotch-warmed thoughts, watching Zachary through the glass"
Blink and he will vanish.
I have personally developed a fair bit of Dorian's backstory - an unavoidable tragedy of writing someone for so long - but as he is handled in TSS he is elusive, shady, difficult to pin down. He is the figure in the shadow, even to himself much of the time. He does not appear with distinct presence in the narrative when he does first appear, nestled comfortably into both a novel and a set of parenthesis: "He heads back upstairs to the almost empty reading rooms (a librarian with a cart organizing books, a student in a striped sweater typing at a laptop, a man who looks like he’s probably a professor actually reading a Donna Tartt novel) and heads to the far corner" Even if this isn't the first glimpse of him (though I think it's at least close to the most explicit first sighting), it's characteristic enough that it makes the point: he vanishes. Blink and you miss him. He's there without explanation or excuse, he will appear as and when he sees fit. He is a member in high standing of the Collector's Club. He knows how to disappear. And how to remain unseen. Unknown. He is a voice in the darkness first, which tells Zachary a story (forever obsessed with it being his voice and his smell which is how he first appears to Zachary. He is a scent, a breath, a story).
Was he a stag at all or was he something else?
Similarly to the above, he is elusive, he is difficult to pin down. But also in this line is the specific introduction of doubt that he is not what he seems he is.
I am a problematic person to expand upon this thought because I have nearly two million words worth of Ao3 works, WIPs, drafts, and notes which try to make sense of what else it is that he is, becomes, and can be. But even within TSS he becomes so many things: he is a storyteller, he is a figure on the steps of the NYPL, he is a spectre strung up in ribbons and severed door handles, he is a Guardian but no he isn't, he is a figure in a book the same way as Zachary (when reading Sweet Sorrows: “This…this boy in the library, with the woman in the green scarf. This is me,” he says."), but then he is anointed with the scimitar tattoo and maybe he is; he's a crewmember on Lenore's ship, he's a guest at the inn, he is hand-in-hand with the owl-headed man, he is the illustration from Fortunes and Fables, carrying it in living ink over his skin. He is a murdered, he is a lover, he kills, he restores life, he hopes, he despairs, he gives up, he gets up again.
He cuts so many figures in the darkness, and even more to Zachary: he is a phantom paramour, he a storyteller, he is a spectre and a missed opportunity, he is an unconscious body and the smell lemon and leather, he is dead, he is alive again, he is an enigma, he is a grief, and then he is so many visions: he is a temptation in a winter sweater, he is a gift from the moon, he is the resolution to the story and the one who told it to him in the first place.
He slips through cracks in the narrative you wouldn't even know were there unless you'd read it five times.
Was he a sentiment hanging unspoken or a path not taken or a closed door left unopened?
ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND MORE.
I have written/developed a lot of Leander's story (OC from Fateheart) and spent a lot of time in that space thinking about the relationships between members of the Collector's Club and the doors they handled/hunted/destroyed. This is something Dorian and Leander have in common, this relationship with the doors of the Harbour: was Dorian also haunted by these impossible gateways, kept out of reach even though they were entrusted to destroy them? Did he ever try to open one, just to see if the stories they were told were really true? Maybe this inference is all me but I am taking this wording to mean that he didn't. He carried out his job with absolute accord. All those closed doors left unopened. All the times he could have reneged, or chased a different route and didn't.
And the 'path left untaken' - don't get me started on Dorian "remembering how he felt reading Zachary’s book, reading about what guardians once were, trying to guess what his sword would have looked like if he were a real guardian and not a poor imitation of one." How long has he been holding it against himself that all he ever really achieved was to sell his autonomy and capacity to a woman who strung him along his entire formative life? And how much longer before that did he suspect that the story they were being sold was nothing but a poor imitation of a much greater path?
Or was he a deer, glimpsed amongst the trees and then gone, disturbing not a single branch in his departure?
Okay first of all, 'glimpsed' but 'disturbing not a single branch in his departure' is all enough of its own worries - imagining that maybe he never made a difference to the story, that his part was so inconsequential, or perhaps so badly misguided, so poorly led, so futile, that he leaves nothing unchanged, that all he is is an image??
But mainly, and crucially, 'was he a deer'? There is so much here and it forms the main thesis of The Lotus Flowers, the follow-up sequel to Fateheart. I am too tired right here right now to do it justice - and I think it fares better being told in story form anyway - but if all he ever has been is a series of figures, of stories, of illustrations to the greater fables he spends his life inhabiting, then what is he to himself, even?
What is his relationship with gender? With his own body and expressions of selfhood as told through body and dress and voice and movement? You could read 'deer' as diminutive: not the regal, crowned stag figure but something smaller, more fleeting - is it a loss of masculinity? And is that a bad thing, or here is it an inevitable thing? That Dorian is this too - not just the stag but also the deer. That one figure amongst many is the fleeting thing which leaves no traces, the hint amidst the trees of some other colour, some living, moving thing?
I dunno that's just me. But I did also write 250k words of fiction about it.
The stag is a shot left untaken. An opportunity lost.
Well this is the one which is something of a gut-punch. I'm thinking of Allegra's final, parting gesture to him - her attempt to shoot him at point blank range, once he has finally expended all usefulness, even as bait to Mirabel or Zachary. To discard of him. WIth so little ceremony and nothing more than a dismissal: "What makes you think I want to talk?” And an opportunity lost: Zachary? Or the opportunity to die, perhaps? Or, gorgeously, the intrinsically connected dual-wield of both. Zachary is a life he will never get, Allegra's is a death he won't get either. He slips through the floor of the earth away from either of them, as if "disturbing not a single branch".
Of course this could also be the shots he himself didn't take - his regrets about Zachary, about not pursuing what he really wanted soon enough - perhaps because it took him so long to work out that it was what he wanted at all.
Stolen like a kiss.
Definitely thinking of Zachary, then. This is something heartbreaking: is all pleasure stolen? Waiting in the snow, standing on the other side of the glass. So long in stasis, trying your best to work out how to think for yourself - starting with such small things: “I’ve spent a great deal of my life doing what other people wanted for me and not what I wanted myself and I’m trying to change. Impulse decisions. No shoes. It’s refreshing in a terrifying sort of way.” What if a single kiss was as far as he had gotten with working out what exactly it was he wanted from Zachary? What if that was as much of an impression of himself as he had managed to glean through the trees - the first sign of caring for something beyond what he has, his whole life, been told to care about?
Or maybe it's just poetry, hm.
In these new forgetful times with their changed ways sometimes the stag will pause a moment longer.
"How did everything lead to this? One book, one man. Years of mystery and tedium and now things insist on happening all at once." The times they are a-changing indeed. Mirabel surviving the collapsing ceiling of the Harbour. Zachary feels it in his toes.
This is almost besides any Dorian-flavoured points, but I like in this line that change is a passive quality, almost: the times are forgetful and their ways are changed. Nobody - least of all the narrative - could presume to say who changed them or how. Yet time is behaving differently. Moving strangely. Those years of mystery and tedium and now time changes its ways. And inversely, Dorian slows down: there is a story happening now. The stag is almost out of step of these new times and their changing ways. Perhaps he has been out of step with regular time all his life.
Which makes sense: a storyteller must, one would be presume, be outside the story to tell it.
He waits though once he never waited, would never dream to wait or wait to dream.
CHIASMUS!!! Again with stag-Dorian being a creature out of time, out of the passage of how these stories move and flow.
Again I am thinking of the Collector's Club. Has he not spent his life in a culture/setting where they were set apart from how the rest of the world experiences the flow of Fate and Time? Something about cult structures and otherness, the weirdness of internalised set-apart-ness, of never feeling in the central stream. It's a position of power, to be sure: to be outside something, to be able to manipulate it, enter it and exit it at will - it is part of Dorian's slipperiness, his ability to morph and fade and hide in plain sight - but it is also a very manipulable space.
Imagine the dreaming that goes on in a group of people who have been ostracised from the shared understanding of the rest of the world and told indefinitely to wait. I go into this in a bit of detail in Fateheart, and far more in other fics, but I think this is a crucial part of the psyche of ex-Collector's Club members. It is a deeply isolating social and psychological position, and how much more so for Dorian, who was forcibly ejected from the comfort of the exceptionalism narrative, even though it was still alive and well and now totally beyond his reach?
Imagine being part of something secret and clandestine, almost gnostic in its private, privileged knowledge of things beyond the common world - and then being cut out of even those who have been separated. Imagine how hard it would ever be to dream again that you knew what you were.
He waits now.
<s>YOU BET YOUR ASS HE DOES</s>
In this fragile space called 'now'. Outside of time, at the will and whim of fate, maybe. Positioned as nothing at all. Learning from scratch how to dream for himself. How to figure out what he wants.
Of course he started with impulse decisions and no socks. Reclaiming a position, even a trembling, determined, static 'now', in the face of so much manipulation and rupture is enormous.
For someone to take the shot. For someone to pierce his heart.
'to take the shot' - has he been waiting to die all this time? 'to pierce his heart' or has he been waiting to live? To be alive, to love, to be loved, to be seen, to be captured? To be something less ephemeral than the figure in the trees and the shifting shadow through frosted glass?
I don't know. I'm doing this about it-
To know he is remembered.
To be more than a faceless voice in a story, leaving more than a mark in the snow and a broken branch in his wait.
GOD it makes me have to go for long walks and cry to stupid music.
I love this character. I have talked endlessly with friends about how little Dorian we get but how much we get out of what is there.
I don't know if I had never read this stag passage as Dorian before or if I had and then forgot. Either way I am going to sit with this for a while.
'To know he is remembered' - to expound upon the way time is used here: I love the past participle and the present tense together in this sentence. They are holding hands. He is remembered. He is and will be. He will wait for his chance to make a mark on this story.
And what a mark. What a devastating thing he is heading towards. After all that deprivation, all that uncertainty, all that disillusion - to begin to dream for himself again, to pursue bare feet and impulse decisions and finding something called a self that is stag and deer and both and none of them. To see Zachary through the frosted glass and think that maybe that is something he wants.
He was waiting for someone to pierce his heart. He was maybe thinking of Zachary. Yet when it happens only one of them is killed, and he is the one who has pierced his own heart, as effectively as if the shot had been taken after all.
Man.
I would talk more about how in the text of TSS the stag appears to Zachary each time he has an encounter with Dorian in the depths, which is also something I didn't notice until today. But frankly I think this is enough for now - if I start writing about Zachary's specific place in all of this I will not go to bed for another 3 hours.
But to end here: consider this person's slow, tentative, autonomous re-approach to the narrative: letting himself be seen, of his own volition, in his own time, letting himself choose, letting himself ease in as a voice, a hand in the dark, a notecard, an encounter. Imagine how much strength it has taken to slow himself after all that unsteadiness, and to hold that precarious 'now', looking in at Zachary, and to dream for himself. To wait.
Then to lose it all. To be shot after all. To be the one who takes the shot after all.
And then to open that dang box and give to his not-quite-lover the heart which changes everything.
Drives me absolutely bonkers. Someone should write a book about what happens to him after that. Maybe two or three.
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“Oh my god, I can't believe Kevin day fumbled two different situation ships” Kevin Day who surgically removed himself from the people he loved when he realized he was not the better option. Kevin day who even when he's the first option knows he's never the best option. Kevin Day who lets people use him as they learn to love each other and themselves until he has no use anymore and lets them go even as they rip parts of himself away when they leave. Kevin day who is always the first choice and never the last.
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