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Darkness like midnight Moonless thereâs no light Another lonely day is ending
Searching forever Waiting but never finding The only thing i dream of
The warmth of a smile That stays for a while The face of a friend That wonât leave
I heard a song once It posed this point of view That wishes made on stars Are likely to come true
So hereâs my secret At bedtime every night I searched the sky And hoped to find A star whoâd send a light to me
The one thing I need Just one kind soul With a heart of gold
Then my dreams became real And I finally feel not alone
Do hugs always make you feel this warm?
My wish came true The day that you appeared And called me friend An answered prayer A chance to share the world To be a girl who fin'lly felt alive
Iâm so excited Weâll do so many friendship things Paint our nails Try on clothes Talk about cute boys
Attached but not by strings
And when youâve got problems Woah! Then Iâve got problems too Youâll never face this world alone Iâll be right here itâs you and me Protectors of each otherâs what weâll be You saw my soul Through the nuts and bolts
Youâre the friend i can trust Helped me see iâm not just a machine
And is this what âall the feelsâ means?
Iâve been combat-ready since the day dad made me Now Iâll fight for something more This might sound wholesome but strangely Iâve got friends Iâm fighting for
But I found that humanity It came with sacrifice, a pact To shield you from the wicked even if I canât Live for real, it was worth it to know you
My wish came true The day that you appeared And called me friend An answered prayer A chance to share the world To be a girl who fin'lly felt alive
the fact that cinder had the staff for two minutes and immediately used it to kill watts
something about jaune taking pennyâs life when she begged him to versus ruby making it clear that this was never going to be an option for her when penny asked the same thing a few episodes ago and the philosophical conflict that could unwind between jaune and ruby on that dr suess island next volume

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Winter Schnee as the Winter Maiden in The Final Word
âYou chose nothing. This was a giftâ
Weiss using Gambol Shroud was so symbolic and it made me cry so hard. Like, weapons are an extension of its wielder and that was all Weiss had left of her family
Full offense but sometimes fandom just totally make up the characterization of a character and then complain when that isnât canon

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girl donât waste your breath with that person 𼲠ive been to their blog and thereâs literally nothing you can say that will change their mind. they just wanna argue and i wouldnât bother giving them the attention
LMAO youâre absolutely right. i almost feel bad cuz i get where fair/game shippers come from and how cloverâs ending was disappointing :/ itâs just so wild watching how unhinged people get talking about a fanon mlm ship that had ONE VOLUME of development and completely ignore the rest of canon pairings in the show :)
I normally don't break my blog's character in asks but I'm gonna make an exception here. How can you continue to support and advertise, in good conscience, for a company that has repeatedly baited and insulted its LGBT+ fanbase? Especially after they had Robyn basically lie about Clover's supposed flaws to berate Qrow - and on a meta level the audience that were mourning the representation they were explicitly promised - for feeling sad about his death?
So I appreciate the fact that you felt strongly enough about this to break your blogâs character in asks to bring this to my attention by answering this as openly and honestly as I can.
Firstly, Clover was never written as gay. Never. Not for a single second in his conception was Clover ever intended to be a love interest for Qrow nor was Clover ever written as a gay man. Period.
Secondly, Clover was never ever stated to be âexplicitly promisedâ representation for the mlm community. That is an entirely untrue statement with no actual basis for truth behind it. Thereâs no documentation of this anywhere, thereâs no draft where he was, none of that is true at all in any way, shape, or form.
Third, I have also stated many times that I do understand how a misunderstanding in how the audience perceives a character vs what the actual written intent was can hurt, saying that Iâve felt that burn before, and very much understanding how a fandom can feel a bit upset by it. But the fact that various creators, for many shows, have come forward to say âhey, not the intentionâ - such as the case with many folks feeling Jenny was tran-coded in My Life As A Teenage Robot, which actually took the creator 21 YEARS to actually acknowledge that fact despite it being spoken of many times - and expressed their concerns and understanding toward those communities affected by it... shows a sign of actually caring. Of which many folks working on this show did the same thing and did so immediately after the first sign of the misunderstanding.
Fourth, as the voice of a character that is a blatantly stated and explicitly promised bit of representation for an entirely underrepresented community of people itâs extremely frustrating to see a character that was never intended to be seen as and surely was never ACTUALLY written as a representation for a marginalized group of people being held up as an example of representation while my own character, who actually is a real example of representation, being constantly demonized and overlooked.
Fifth, the cast and crew of the show (including myself) have received more death threats about this than I think most of you care to actually acknowledge. Am I saying that you, specifically, issued any of those threats? No. But the fact that a lot of folks just forget that that happened is pretty telling to me.
So you asked âHow can you continue to support and advertise, in good conscience, for a company that has repeatedly baited and insulted its LGBT+ fanbaseâ ... the answer is because the actual representation for the LGBTQIA+ community that was explicitly stated and promised  was actually handled incredibly well, had time and care put into it, was thought about from concept, to design, to casting, to written dialogue. And that representation was not hidden, not coded, but bluntly stated both by creators outside of and inside of canon, and proudly on display in the show.Â
The final big reason that I can firmly state all of these things? Is because this isnât just a fictional situation. The people behind the scenes making this show possible actually stood up, stood by, and have put more effort into actually supporting the LGBTIQA+ community than most folks will ever even know or see. In a very real and tangible way these people have physically fought for the rights of people like me to be able to do what I do and, more importantly, to actually be able to live my actual real life with less fear of being actually harmed.
To top it all off, Iâm deeply hurt by how things are said by the fandom some days.
I see all the comments saying May isnât good rep because she doesnât look or sound manly enough to be a trans woman and that Joanna or Robyn looks more trans than May does and worse being said about her.
Clover being mlm was always just a head canon that the fandom leaned into, it was never ever stated to be canon at any point during the production of the show or creation of the character.
I do understand the hurt that some folks feel about it, trust me I do, but Iâve received death threats over this head canon while actually having put time, effort, and part of myself into actual on-screen representation ... having had that real work ignored with me and my co-workers continuously being harassed despite not a single shred of tangible evidence to back up the reason for the harassment.
TLDR:Â
Clover was never intended to be seen as gay, ever, and the fact that the fandom latched onto this head canon and has pushed it that it was always actually canon, in a very negative way, has only harmed both the fandom and staff.
Having a head canon is great, I love them, but seeing a creator (or group of creators) explicitly come out and debunk that head canon as to not spread a toxic and hurtful message that could easily spiral out of control and blatantly ignoring it because it doesnât fit in with your own narrative does not make that head canon into canon and will only make getting actual intended representation for that group much harder in the future.
It is desperately hurtful to have poured so much work into having a character that is actually a representative (and a promised one at that) of a marginalized group entirely ignored by the community because of a head canon for another character, and in doing so has only made that (very rare) bit of representation feel ironically invisible.
Well, I feel like I should address your points.Â
First off, it is blatantly untrue that Clover was not gay. Sure, he wasnât intended by the writers to be gay, but if hundreds of actually gay people are looking at a character and going âYeah theyâre gayâ with actual credible evidence in the work itself then Iâm going to believe them over the cishet writers that insist its a totally platonic friendship with no romantic undertones (this is exactly what happened with Destiel and Johnlock too, mind you) and Iâm incredibly disappointed to see you take the side of these writers that are, at best, completely clueless as to the subtext of their own damn show.Â
Secondly, ....yes, he was? Like, explicitly or implicitly, several members of Rooster Teeth implied he was mlm and either attracted to or in a relationship with Qrow. Thereâs Lindsayâs âBi is flyâ tweet on a thread about Qrow, the fact at least one RT staff member said something to the affect of âNow Qrow has 2 boyfriendsâ when Clover was introduced, literally everything about him designed to compliment Qrow the way other canon ships like Renora, Arkos, or Bumbleby complioment each other, the fact their emblems are sold together, the wink he gives Clover that directly parallels the flirty waitress from several volumes ago.Â
Third, see, the difference there is that Jenny is actually pretty decent trans rep (by the standard of 90â˛s-early 2000â˛s action cartoons at least) and he never directly exploited trans people that were hungry for representation for profit the way CRWBY does with Bumbleby currently and has done with Fair Game previously. And also, no, they never directly refuted or debunked anything until they started getting criticized after Clover died. If they did, then this whole situation never would have happened. But then that would cut into the profits they were getting, so they decided to wait,Â
Fourth, I love May, donât get me wrong. Seeing a fellow trans woman in a show I used to enjoy meant the world to me But, to be fair...she barely got any screen time in Volume 7, which was when all this was going down for the most part. In order for it to count as representation, I feel like the character should actually actively be there representing the demographic. Thereâs also the fact that having a trans character doesnât automatically make up for lackluster representation of other marginalized groups, and frankly its not fair to those groups to insist that their representation is fine because we have one transfem character strikes me as at best a sense of âfuck you, got mineâ selfishness and at worst a silencing tacticÂ
Fifth, I hope you know that the people sending you death threats are not an accurate representation of most of the people criticizing Rooster Teeth for how they handled Fair Game, nor does it actually debunk any of our actual poitns. Its abhorrent you got them at all, but then you also have to look at the massive amounts of harassment and death threats that we received from your fans as well, including those of us that were just mildly criticizing how Rooster Teeth handled the situation.Â
Sixth, no, theyâre really not. We have super unimportant side characters that were only confirmed in dubiously canon tie-in material that not everyone will read - Coco, Velvet, and Scarlet (and even if we do accept it as canon Scarlet is kind of a homophobic stereotype) -, characters that show up for like a volume at most - Illia and the Cotta-Arcs -,couples who are either deliberately left vaguely unconfirmed or not as explicitly affectionate as the heterosexual romances like Arkos and Renora were at their confirmation - Cotta-Arcs again and Bumbleby -, or glorified background characters whoâs LGBT+ status was only ever explicitly mentioned outside the show to the best of my memory - thereâs May. Hell, Blake spent an entire volume as relationship therapist to Renora instead of her relationship with Yang getting developed. Renora and Arkos both got super passionate heartfelt kisses, the most weâre getting are couples that sit abnormally far from each other on the couch and hold hands.Â
Iâm getting tired of saying this over and over, and I shouldnât have to say this to a person who should frankly know better given the fact that youâre also a member of the community that gets hurt the most by this mindset, , but being criticized for exploiting us for profit and then blaming us for being upset at that exploitation is not harassment. Were there people who harassed you? I donât doubt it, every movement has its extremists, but to sit there and pretend that weâve done nothing but harass you and your coworkers is disingenuous at best and outright malicious at worst. I see now I was naive to think youâd be any better than Eddy, Miles, or Kerry. It fills me with shame to share an identity with a bootlicker like you.Â
babe if RT says clover is not gay, clover is not gay, your opinion has no value here lmfao it doesnât matter how many of us interpret him as gay (and I wish he was)
also maybe leave kdin the fuck alone lmfao
Nah, heâs gay. Rooster Teeth is just run by a bunch of clueless cishets. If heâs not gay someone shouldâve told Lindsay, Kim, the voice actors, and pretty much everyone involved except seemingly Miles and Kerry.Â
I'm sorry but did you seriously just claim that some random LGBTQ fans know more about RWBY characters than the creators of RWBY?
Honestly, if someone did that to my original work, I'd be very personally pissed off. Like, what the hell?
Youâd be pissed off that LGBT+ people picked up on subtext youâre too ignorant to see that you wrote? ....You realize how homophobic that makes you look, right?
So if I claim that my creation has no such subtext and that you're just seeing things, you'd rather ignore me and belief such baseless claims because that's preferable? And call me horrible things just because???
Let me recontextualize this: I have written a character Sam that is black. I've said this online and in public.
But you decided "Nah, they're white now" and the fandom agrees. So everyone is now claiming Sam as white, even though I've said that they're black.
In other words, you've decide to whitewash my example character.
You claim that I'm homophobic but I've never seen Clover as gay and I'm BI AS FUCK. Your behaviour is partially the reason why the LGBTQ community is so divided; you throw such baseless and insulting claims just because a fictional media didn't go exactly the way you wanted to. You're even willing to cannibalise other LGBTQ people just because they disagree with you.
You've done nothing but embarrass everyone. A bisexual person like me believes in the inherent right as a creator to do what they want with a character. If they claim Clover is straight as a ruler (or alternatively asexual) and literally prove it, then that's pretty a divine word of God as far as I'm concerned.
I didn't see no romance between Qrow and Clover. I can see why people ship it but I've seen weirder ships.
Also, two guys can be friends. Same as two girls or a guy and a girl. By making everything sexual, you devalue friendships. Your behaviour is why guys are uncomfortable showing affection to friends; because you ship them for your own sick amusement.
Tldr: call me homophobic again and I'll make sure not even a single atom of yours gets to heaven.
See, your Sam example is different because black people are an underrepresented minority and whitewashing them removes what little representation they have left. Straight people, on the other hand, arenât going to struggle to find another character thatâs like them because thatâs basically most characters.Â
They didnât prove it though. They only insisted he was after they got called out for exploiting the ship for views and profit. Â
Sure, two guys or girls can be friends, but Iâm fucking sick of âWhAt AbOuT pLaToNiC fRiEnDsHiPsâ getting thrown around whenever we criticize something for gaybaiting. No, the reason guys are uncomfortable showing affection to friends is toxic masculinity and homophobia, not because someone ships two fictional men together out of a desire to see representation for themselves in media.Â
Also, yeah if hundreds of people pick up on a subtext to your story that you didnât know existed they know it better than you .
This is a VERY disrespectful take to have on two people finishing their deceased friendâs dream project. You donât know the show better than Miles and Kerry. No one does. Just because a group of people who have been dying for any mlm characters to make an appearance saw chemistry between Qrow and Clover doesnt mean it was bait. Idk how u can claim to know the story better than crwby and act blindsided that Clover was a doomed character who had death flags ever since his first appearance.
Because he wasnât and CRWBY egged it on as much as they possibly could They only started pulling the âno guys he was totally straightâ bullshit after they started getting criticized for baiting their fans.Â
Also, no, itâs not disrespectful. Whatâs actually disrespectful is using their deceased friend as a shield to deflect accurate criticism.Â
A character based on a fairytale of impatience getting the best of him and has the semblance of âgood fortuneâ doesnt scream red flags to you? The Ace Ops were given the same invincible presence that Pyrrha had and had a team of 5 instead of 4 for a reason, it was always hinted that one of them was going to die. Crwby has also always been very big on not commenting on ships due to ship wars in the past, theyve stood by that they dont want to encourage/discourage people from certain ships so to not listen to opinions from VAâs and animators (Michael talking about seamonkeys, Arryn talking about bumbleby, etc.) and instead do whatever you want. Also I would not consider calling crwby bootlickers (the irony), disrespectful to lgbt fans, and not knowing their own show âaccurate criticismâ. Yall are no better than the adam stans claiming Miles and Kerry changed him from an antihero to a villain, the âqrow is rubys dadâ theorists, or any other disgruntled base that has insisted that Miles and Kerry dont know what theyre doing. Leave the VAâs alone and stop harassing them over decisions they donât make.
Except no, they werenât. Youâre only insisting that they were to retroactively justify what they did.Â
Sure, but when basically everyone involved - including, again, the officlal RWBY Twitter account - is egging on something the showrunners supposedly never intended then the showrunners are incompetent at their job, and shouldâve stepped in far sooner than they actually did.Â
How are you gonna say you know the show better than the writers and just flat out deny the foreshadowing around the ace ops? I am not trying to âjustifyâ anything, thatâs literally what happened. And again, theyâve said countless times that everyoneâs opinions are their own and take things with a grain of salt. The rwby account has retweeted tons of fanart from various non canon ships like blacksun and memes from fan engagement. Itâs not meant to be confirmation or approval from crwby, itâs literally just to have fun with fans. Calling people incompetent for not spoiling a whole character arc because people canât differ headcanon from canon is straight childish and embarrassing.
Because the writers are fucking garbage at writing what they intended to write, and ended up accidentally writing a gay love story indtead of the epic rivalry they likely imagined it being.Â
Sure, but never at any points where the show itself seemed to be building up to Black Sun.Â
Iâm sorry but Cloverâs death was objectively physically and mentally harmful to several people, all of whom are good friends of mine. I consider them more important than whatever dumbass story two cishet dudebros who donât understand how to write basic storytelling wanna tell. Especially when that story gets in the way of meaningful and decent representation.Â
It wasnt even an epic rivalry LMAO the whole subplot was how Qrow found someone he trusted and who understood him only for it to fall apart due to the blind loyalty Ironwood puts in all his soldiers. Itâs a tragedy, not a rivalry. Wanna put a lover spin on that? Thatâs cool, the storyline still works. The whole theme behind v7 was trust, beginning with rwby meeting new allies and losing them as soon as they differed opinions.
Iâd argue that blacksun had buildup volumes 1-3 but fell flat when v4 showed that Blake and Sun couldnt get along and after heroes vs monsters pretty much cemented Yang as Blakeâs endgame love interest. That still didnât stop blacksun shippers from being Very vocal all throughout v4, v5 and even v6 when Blake kisses him on the cheek.
And I am sorry that Cloverâs story ended the way it did. It sucks. I get it. I think every lgbt person has had a character they related to die at some point and understands how that feels. But that doesnt make the canon story the writers want to tell dumb or fucking garbage. You really gonna sit here and call a voice actress a shameful bootlicker over a fictional character that was in 1 volume? You canât come on here and talk about mental harm being done and say hateful shit to real people.
I normally don't break my blog's character in asks but I'm gonna make an exception here. How can you continue to support and advertise, in good conscience, for a company that has repeatedly baited and insulted its LGBT+ fanbase? Especially after they had Robyn basically lie about Clover's supposed flaws to berate Qrow - and on a meta level the audience that were mourning the representation they were explicitly promised - for feeling sad about his death?
So I appreciate the fact that you felt strongly enough about this to break your blogâs character in asks to bring this to my attention by answering this as openly and honestly as I can.
Firstly, Clover was never written as gay. Never. Not for a single second in his conception was Clover ever intended to be a love interest for Qrow nor was Clover ever written as a gay man. Period.
Secondly, Clover was never ever stated to be âexplicitly promisedâ representation for the mlm community. That is an entirely untrue statement with no actual basis for truth behind it. Thereâs no documentation of this anywhere, thereâs no draft where he was, none of that is true at all in any way, shape, or form.
Third, I have also stated many times that I do understand how a misunderstanding in how the audience perceives a character vs what the actual written intent was can hurt, saying that Iâve felt that burn before, and very much understanding how a fandom can feel a bit upset by it. But the fact that various creators, for many shows, have come forward to say âhey, not the intentionâ - such as the case with many folks feeling Jenny was tran-coded in My Life As A Teenage Robot, which actually took the creator 21 YEARS to actually acknowledge that fact despite it being spoken of many times - and expressed their concerns and understanding toward those communities affected by it... shows a sign of actually caring. Of which many folks working on this show did the same thing and did so immediately after the first sign of the misunderstanding.
Fourth, as the voice of a character that is a blatantly stated and explicitly promised bit of representation for an entirely underrepresented community of people itâs extremely frustrating to see a character that was never intended to be seen as and surely was never ACTUALLY written as a representation for a marginalized group of people being held up as an example of representation while my own character, who actually is a real example of representation, being constantly demonized and overlooked.
Fifth, the cast and crew of the show (including myself) have received more death threats about this than I think most of you care to actually acknowledge. Am I saying that you, specifically, issued any of those threats? No. But the fact that a lot of folks just forget that that happened is pretty telling to me.
So you asked âHow can you continue to support and advertise, in good conscience, for a company that has repeatedly baited and insulted its LGBT+ fanbaseâ ... the answer is because the actual representation for the LGBTQIA+ community that was explicitly stated and promised  was actually handled incredibly well, had time and care put into it, was thought about from concept, to design, to casting, to written dialogue. And that representation was not hidden, not coded, but bluntly stated both by creators outside of and inside of canon, and proudly on display in the show.Â
The final big reason that I can firmly state all of these things? Is because this isnât just a fictional situation. The people behind the scenes making this show possible actually stood up, stood by, and have put more effort into actually supporting the LGBTIQA+ community than most folks will ever even know or see. In a very real and tangible way these people have physically fought for the rights of people like me to be able to do what I do and, more importantly, to actually be able to live my actual real life with less fear of being actually harmed.
To top it all off, Iâm deeply hurt by how things are said by the fandom some days.
I see all the comments saying May isnât good rep because she doesnât look or sound manly enough to be a trans woman and that Joanna or Robyn looks more trans than May does and worse being said about her.
Clover being mlm was always just a head canon that the fandom leaned into, it was never ever stated to be canon at any point during the production of the show or creation of the character.
I do understand the hurt that some folks feel about it, trust me I do, but Iâve received death threats over this head canon while actually having put time, effort, and part of myself into actual on-screen representation ... having had that real work ignored with me and my co-workers continuously being harassed despite not a single shred of tangible evidence to back up the reason for the harassment.
TLDR:Â
Clover was never intended to be seen as gay, ever, and the fact that the fandom latched onto this head canon and has pushed it that it was always actually canon, in a very negative way, has only harmed both the fandom and staff.
Having a head canon is great, I love them, but seeing a creator (or group of creators) explicitly come out and debunk that head canon as to not spread a toxic and hurtful message that could easily spiral out of control and blatantly ignoring it because it doesnât fit in with your own narrative does not make that head canon into canon and will only make getting actual intended representation for that group much harder in the future.
It is desperately hurtful to have poured so much work into having a character that is actually a representative (and a promised one at that) of a marginalized group entirely ignored by the community because of a head canon for another character, and in doing so has only made that (very rare) bit of representation feel ironically invisible.
Well, I feel like I should address your points.Â
First off, it is blatantly untrue that Clover was not gay. Sure, he wasnât intended by the writers to be gay, but if hundreds of actually gay people are looking at a character and going âYeah theyâre gayâ with actual credible evidence in the work itself then Iâm going to believe them over the cishet writers that insist its a totally platonic friendship with no romantic undertones (this is exactly what happened with Destiel and Johnlock too, mind you) and Iâm incredibly disappointed to see you take the side of these writers that are, at best, completely clueless as to the subtext of their own damn show.Â
Secondly, ....yes, he was? Like, explicitly or implicitly, several members of Rooster Teeth implied he was mlm and either attracted to or in a relationship with Qrow. Thereâs Lindsayâs âBi is flyâ tweet on a thread about Qrow, the fact at least one RT staff member said something to the affect of âNow Qrow has 2 boyfriendsâ when Clover was introduced, literally everything about him designed to compliment Qrow the way other canon ships like Renora, Arkos, or Bumbleby complioment each other, the fact their emblems are sold together, the wink he gives Clover that directly parallels the flirty waitress from several volumes ago.Â
Third, see, the difference there is that Jenny is actually pretty decent trans rep (by the standard of 90â˛s-early 2000â˛s action cartoons at least) and he never directly exploited trans people that were hungry for representation for profit the way CRWBY does with Bumbleby currently and has done with Fair Game previously. And also, no, they never directly refuted or debunked anything until they started getting criticized after Clover died. If they did, then this whole situation never would have happened. But then that would cut into the profits they were getting, so they decided to wait,Â
Fourth, I love May, donât get me wrong. Seeing a fellow trans woman in a show I used to enjoy meant the world to me But, to be fair...she barely got any screen time in Volume 7, which was when all this was going down for the most part. In order for it to count as representation, I feel like the character should actually actively be there representing the demographic. Thereâs also the fact that having a trans character doesnât automatically make up for lackluster representation of other marginalized groups, and frankly its not fair to those groups to insist that their representation is fine because we have one transfem character strikes me as at best a sense of âfuck you, got mineâ selfishness and at worst a silencing tacticÂ
Fifth, I hope you know that the people sending you death threats are not an accurate representation of most of the people criticizing Rooster Teeth for how they handled Fair Game, nor does it actually debunk any of our actual poitns. Its abhorrent you got them at all, but then you also have to look at the massive amounts of harassment and death threats that we received from your fans as well, including those of us that were just mildly criticizing how Rooster Teeth handled the situation.Â
Sixth, no, theyâre really not. We have super unimportant side characters that were only confirmed in dubiously canon tie-in material that not everyone will read - Coco, Velvet, and Scarlet (and even if we do accept it as canon Scarlet is kind of a homophobic stereotype) -, characters that show up for like a volume at most - Illia and the Cotta-Arcs -,couples who are either deliberately left vaguely unconfirmed or not as explicitly affectionate as the heterosexual romances like Arkos and Renora were at their confirmation - Cotta-Arcs again and Bumbleby -, or glorified background characters whoâs LGBT+ status was only ever explicitly mentioned outside the show to the best of my memory - thereâs May. Hell, Blake spent an entire volume as relationship therapist to Renora instead of her relationship with Yang getting developed. Renora and Arkos both got super passionate heartfelt kisses, the most weâre getting are couples that sit abnormally far from each other on the couch and hold hands.Â
Iâm getting tired of saying this over and over, and I shouldnât have to say this to a person who should frankly know better given the fact that youâre also a member of the community that gets hurt the most by this mindset, , but being criticized for exploiting us for profit and then blaming us for being upset at that exploitation is not harassment. Were there people who harassed you? I donât doubt it, every movement has its extremists, but to sit there and pretend that weâve done nothing but harass you and your coworkers is disingenuous at best and outright malicious at worst. I see now I was naive to think youâd be any better than Eddy, Miles, or Kerry. It fills me with shame to share an identity with a bootlicker like you.Â
babe if RT says clover is not gay, clover is not gay, your opinion has no value here lmfao it doesnât matter how many of us interpret him as gay (and I wish he was)
also maybe leave kdin the fuck alone lmfao
Nah, heâs gay. Rooster Teeth is just run by a bunch of clueless cishets. If heâs not gay someone shouldâve told Lindsay, Kim, the voice actors, and pretty much everyone involved except seemingly Miles and Kerry.Â
I'm sorry but did you seriously just claim that some random LGBTQ fans know more about RWBY characters than the creators of RWBY?
Honestly, if someone did that to my original work, I'd be very personally pissed off. Like, what the hell?
Youâd be pissed off that LGBT+ people picked up on subtext youâre too ignorant to see that you wrote? ....You realize how homophobic that makes you look, right?
So if I claim that my creation has no such subtext and that you're just seeing things, you'd rather ignore me and belief such baseless claims because that's preferable? And call me horrible things just because???
Let me recontextualize this: I have written a character Sam that is black. I've said this online and in public.
But you decided "Nah, they're white now" and the fandom agrees. So everyone is now claiming Sam as white, even though I've said that they're black.
In other words, you've decide to whitewash my example character.
You claim that I'm homophobic but I've never seen Clover as gay and I'm BI AS FUCK. Your behaviour is partially the reason why the LGBTQ community is so divided; you throw such baseless and insulting claims just because a fictional media didn't go exactly the way you wanted to. You're even willing to cannibalise other LGBTQ people just because they disagree with you.
You've done nothing but embarrass everyone. A bisexual person like me believes in the inherent right as a creator to do what they want with a character. If they claim Clover is straight as a ruler (or alternatively asexual) and literally prove it, then that's pretty a divine word of God as far as I'm concerned.
I didn't see no romance between Qrow and Clover. I can see why people ship it but I've seen weirder ships.
Also, two guys can be friends. Same as two girls or a guy and a girl. By making everything sexual, you devalue friendships. Your behaviour is why guys are uncomfortable showing affection to friends; because you ship them for your own sick amusement.
Tldr: call me homophobic again and I'll make sure not even a single atom of yours gets to heaven.
See, your Sam example is different because black people are an underrepresented minority and whitewashing them removes what little representation they have left. Straight people, on the other hand, arenât going to struggle to find another character thatâs like them because thatâs basically most characters.Â
They didnât prove it though. They only insisted he was after they got called out for exploiting the ship for views and profit. Â
Sure, two guys or girls can be friends, but Iâm fucking sick of âWhAt AbOuT pLaToNiC fRiEnDsHiPsâ getting thrown around whenever we criticize something for gaybaiting. No, the reason guys are uncomfortable showing affection to friends is toxic masculinity and homophobia, not because someone ships two fictional men together out of a desire to see representation for themselves in media.Â
Also, yeah if hundreds of people pick up on a subtext to your story that you didnât know existed they know it better than you .
This is a VERY disrespectful take to have on two people finishing their deceased friendâs dream project. You donât know the show better than Miles and Kerry. No one does. Just because a group of people who have been dying for any mlm characters to make an appearance saw chemistry between Qrow and Clover doesnt mean it was bait. Idk how u can claim to know the story better than crwby and act blindsided that Clover was a doomed character who had death flags ever since his first appearance.
Because he wasnât and CRWBY egged it on as much as they possibly could They only started pulling the âno guys he was totally straightâ bullshit after they started getting criticized for baiting their fans.Â
Also, no, itâs not disrespectful. Whatâs actually disrespectful is using their deceased friend as a shield to deflect accurate criticism.Â
A character based on a fairytale of impatience getting the best of him and has the semblance of âgood fortuneâ doesnt scream red flags to you? The Ace Ops were given the same invincible presence that Pyrrha had and had a team of 5 instead of 4 for a reason, it was always hinted that one of them was going to die. Crwby has also always been very big on not commenting on ships due to ship wars in the past, theyve stood by that they dont want to encourage/discourage people from certain ships so to not listen to opinions from VAâs and animators (Michael talking about seamonkeys, Arryn talking about bumbleby, etc.) and instead do whatever you want. Also I would not consider calling crwby bootlickers (the irony), disrespectful to lgbt fans, and not knowing their own show âaccurate criticismâ. Yall are no better than the adam stans claiming Miles and Kerry changed him from an antihero to a villain, the âqrow is rubys dadâ theorists, or any other disgruntled base that has insisted that Miles and Kerry dont know what theyre doing. Leave the VAâs alone and stop harassing them over decisions they donât make.
Except no, they werenât. Youâre only insisting that they were to retroactively justify what they did.Â
Sure, but when basically everyone involved - including, again, the officlal RWBY Twitter account - is egging on something the showrunners supposedly never intended then the showrunners are incompetent at their job, and shouldâve stepped in far sooner than they actually did.Â
How are you gonna say you know the show better than the writers and just flat out deny the foreshadowing around the ace ops? I am not trying to âjustifyâ anything, thatâs literally what happened. And again, theyâve said countless times that everyoneâs opinions are their own and take things with a grain of salt. The rwby account has retweeted tons of fanart from various non canon ships like blacksun and memes from fan engagement. Itâs not meant to be confirmation or approval from crwby, itâs literally just to have fun with fans. Calling people incompetent for not spoiling a whole character arc because people canât differ headcanon from canon is straight childish and embarrassing.
I normally don't break my blog's character in asks but I'm gonna make an exception here. How can you continue to support and advertise, in good conscience, for a company that has repeatedly baited and insulted its LGBT+ fanbase? Especially after they had Robyn basically lie about Clover's supposed flaws to berate Qrow - and on a meta level the audience that were mourning the representation they were explicitly promised - for feeling sad about his death?
So I appreciate the fact that you felt strongly enough about this to break your blogâs character in asks to bring this to my attention by answering this as openly and honestly as I can.
Firstly, Clover was never written as gay. Never. Not for a single second in his conception was Clover ever intended to be a love interest for Qrow nor was Clover ever written as a gay man. Period.
Secondly, Clover was never ever stated to be âexplicitly promisedâ representation for the mlm community. That is an entirely untrue statement with no actual basis for truth behind it. Thereâs no documentation of this anywhere, thereâs no draft where he was, none of that is true at all in any way, shape, or form.
Third, I have also stated many times that I do understand how a misunderstanding in how the audience perceives a character vs what the actual written intent was can hurt, saying that Iâve felt that burn before, and very much understanding how a fandom can feel a bit upset by it. But the fact that various creators, for many shows, have come forward to say âhey, not the intentionâ - such as the case with many folks feeling Jenny was tran-coded in My Life As A Teenage Robot, which actually took the creator 21 YEARS to actually acknowledge that fact despite it being spoken of many times - and expressed their concerns and understanding toward those communities affected by it... shows a sign of actually caring. Of which many folks working on this show did the same thing and did so immediately after the first sign of the misunderstanding.
Fourth, as the voice of a character that is a blatantly stated and explicitly promised bit of representation for an entirely underrepresented community of people itâs extremely frustrating to see a character that was never intended to be seen as and surely was never ACTUALLY written as a representation for a marginalized group of people being held up as an example of representation while my own character, who actually is a real example of representation, being constantly demonized and overlooked.
Fifth, the cast and crew of the show (including myself) have received more death threats about this than I think most of you care to actually acknowledge. Am I saying that you, specifically, issued any of those threats? No. But the fact that a lot of folks just forget that that happened is pretty telling to me.
So you asked âHow can you continue to support and advertise, in good conscience, for a company that has repeatedly baited and insulted its LGBT+ fanbaseâ ... the answer is because the actual representation for the LGBTQIA+ community that was explicitly stated and promised  was actually handled incredibly well, had time and care put into it, was thought about from concept, to design, to casting, to written dialogue. And that representation was not hidden, not coded, but bluntly stated both by creators outside of and inside of canon, and proudly on display in the show.Â
The final big reason that I can firmly state all of these things? Is because this isnât just a fictional situation. The people behind the scenes making this show possible actually stood up, stood by, and have put more effort into actually supporting the LGBTIQA+ community than most folks will ever even know or see. In a very real and tangible way these people have physically fought for the rights of people like me to be able to do what I do and, more importantly, to actually be able to live my actual real life with less fear of being actually harmed.
To top it all off, Iâm deeply hurt by how things are said by the fandom some days.
I see all the comments saying May isnât good rep because she doesnât look or sound manly enough to be a trans woman and that Joanna or Robyn looks more trans than May does and worse being said about her.
Clover being mlm was always just a head canon that the fandom leaned into, it was never ever stated to be canon at any point during the production of the show or creation of the character.
I do understand the hurt that some folks feel about it, trust me I do, but Iâve received death threats over this head canon while actually having put time, effort, and part of myself into actual on-screen representation ... having had that real work ignored with me and my co-workers continuously being harassed despite not a single shred of tangible evidence to back up the reason for the harassment.
TLDR:Â
Clover was never intended to be seen as gay, ever, and the fact that the fandom latched onto this head canon and has pushed it that it was always actually canon, in a very negative way, has only harmed both the fandom and staff.
Having a head canon is great, I love them, but seeing a creator (or group of creators) explicitly come out and debunk that head canon as to not spread a toxic and hurtful message that could easily spiral out of control and blatantly ignoring it because it doesnât fit in with your own narrative does not make that head canon into canon and will only make getting actual intended representation for that group much harder in the future.
It is desperately hurtful to have poured so much work into having a character that is actually a representative (and a promised one at that) of a marginalized group entirely ignored by the community because of a head canon for another character, and in doing so has only made that (very rare) bit of representation feel ironically invisible.
Well, I feel like I should address your points.Â
First off, it is blatantly untrue that Clover was not gay. Sure, he wasnât intended by the writers to be gay, but if hundreds of actually gay people are looking at a character and going âYeah theyâre gayâ with actual credible evidence in the work itself then Iâm going to believe them over the cishet writers that insist its a totally platonic friendship with no romantic undertones (this is exactly what happened with Destiel and Johnlock too, mind you) and Iâm incredibly disappointed to see you take the side of these writers that are, at best, completely clueless as to the subtext of their own damn show.Â
Secondly, ....yes, he was? Like, explicitly or implicitly, several members of Rooster Teeth implied he was mlm and either attracted to or in a relationship with Qrow. Thereâs Lindsayâs âBi is flyâ tweet on a thread about Qrow, the fact at least one RT staff member said something to the affect of âNow Qrow has 2 boyfriendsâ when Clover was introduced, literally everything about him designed to compliment Qrow the way other canon ships like Renora, Arkos, or Bumbleby complioment each other, the fact their emblems are sold together, the wink he gives Clover that directly parallels the flirty waitress from several volumes ago.Â
Third, see, the difference there is that Jenny is actually pretty decent trans rep (by the standard of 90â˛s-early 2000â˛s action cartoons at least) and he never directly exploited trans people that were hungry for representation for profit the way CRWBY does with Bumbleby currently and has done with Fair Game previously. And also, no, they never directly refuted or debunked anything until they started getting criticized after Clover died. If they did, then this whole situation never would have happened. But then that would cut into the profits they were getting, so they decided to wait,Â
Fourth, I love May, donât get me wrong. Seeing a fellow trans woman in a show I used to enjoy meant the world to me But, to be fair...she barely got any screen time in Volume 7, which was when all this was going down for the most part. In order for it to count as representation, I feel like the character should actually actively be there representing the demographic. Thereâs also the fact that having a trans character doesnât automatically make up for lackluster representation of other marginalized groups, and frankly its not fair to those groups to insist that their representation is fine because we have one transfem character strikes me as at best a sense of âfuck you, got mineâ selfishness and at worst a silencing tacticÂ
Fifth, I hope you know that the people sending you death threats are not an accurate representation of most of the people criticizing Rooster Teeth for how they handled Fair Game, nor does it actually debunk any of our actual poitns. Its abhorrent you got them at all, but then you also have to look at the massive amounts of harassment and death threats that we received from your fans as well, including those of us that were just mildly criticizing how Rooster Teeth handled the situation.Â
Sixth, no, theyâre really not. We have super unimportant side characters that were only confirmed in dubiously canon tie-in material that not everyone will read - Coco, Velvet, and Scarlet (and even if we do accept it as canon Scarlet is kind of a homophobic stereotype) -, characters that show up for like a volume at most - Illia and the Cotta-Arcs -,couples who are either deliberately left vaguely unconfirmed or not as explicitly affectionate as the heterosexual romances like Arkos and Renora were at their confirmation - Cotta-Arcs again and Bumbleby -, or glorified background characters whoâs LGBT+ status was only ever explicitly mentioned outside the show to the best of my memory - thereâs May. Hell, Blake spent an entire volume as relationship therapist to Renora instead of her relationship with Yang getting developed. Renora and Arkos both got super passionate heartfelt kisses, the most weâre getting are couples that sit abnormally far from each other on the couch and hold hands.Â
Iâm getting tired of saying this over and over, and I shouldnât have to say this to a person who should frankly know better given the fact that youâre also a member of the community that gets hurt the most by this mindset, , but being criticized for exploiting us for profit and then blaming us for being upset at that exploitation is not harassment. Were there people who harassed you? I donât doubt it, every movement has its extremists, but to sit there and pretend that weâve done nothing but harass you and your coworkers is disingenuous at best and outright malicious at worst. I see now I was naive to think youâd be any better than Eddy, Miles, or Kerry. It fills me with shame to share an identity with a bootlicker like you.Â
babe if RT says clover is not gay, clover is not gay, your opinion has no value here lmfao it doesnât matter how many of us interpret him as gay (and I wish he was)
also maybe leave kdin the fuck alone lmfao
Nah, heâs gay. Rooster Teeth is just run by a bunch of clueless cishets. If heâs not gay someone shouldâve told Lindsay, Kim, the voice actors, and pretty much everyone involved except seemingly Miles and Kerry.Â
I'm sorry but did you seriously just claim that some random LGBTQ fans know more about RWBY characters than the creators of RWBY?
Honestly, if someone did that to my original work, I'd be very personally pissed off. Like, what the hell?
Youâd be pissed off that LGBT+ people picked up on subtext youâre too ignorant to see that you wrote? ....You realize how homophobic that makes you look, right?
So if I claim that my creation has no such subtext and that you're just seeing things, you'd rather ignore me and belief such baseless claims because that's preferable? And call me horrible things just because???
Let me recontextualize this: I have written a character Sam that is black. I've said this online and in public.
But you decided "Nah, they're white now" and the fandom agrees. So everyone is now claiming Sam as white, even though I've said that they're black.
In other words, you've decide to whitewash my example character.
You claim that I'm homophobic but I've never seen Clover as gay and I'm BI AS FUCK. Your behaviour is partially the reason why the LGBTQ community is so divided; you throw such baseless and insulting claims just because a fictional media didn't go exactly the way you wanted to. You're even willing to cannibalise other LGBTQ people just because they disagree with you.
You've done nothing but embarrass everyone. A bisexual person like me believes in the inherent right as a creator to do what they want with a character. If they claim Clover is straight as a ruler (or alternatively asexual) and literally prove it, then that's pretty a divine word of God as far as I'm concerned.
I didn't see no romance between Qrow and Clover. I can see why people ship it but I've seen weirder ships.
Also, two guys can be friends. Same as two girls or a guy and a girl. By making everything sexual, you devalue friendships. Your behaviour is why guys are uncomfortable showing affection to friends; because you ship them for your own sick amusement.
Tldr: call me homophobic again and I'll make sure not even a single atom of yours gets to heaven.
See, your Sam example is different because black people are an underrepresented minority and whitewashing them removes what little representation they have left. Straight people, on the other hand, arenât going to struggle to find another character thatâs like them because thatâs basically most characters.Â
They didnât prove it though. They only insisted he was after they got called out for exploiting the ship for views and profit. Â
Sure, two guys or girls can be friends, but Iâm fucking sick of âWhAt AbOuT pLaToNiC fRiEnDsHiPsâ getting thrown around whenever we criticize something for gaybaiting. No, the reason guys are uncomfortable showing affection to friends is toxic masculinity and homophobia, not because someone ships two fictional men together out of a desire to see representation for themselves in media.Â
Also, yeah if hundreds of people pick up on a subtext to your story that you didnât know existed they know it better than you .
This is a VERY disrespectful take to have on two people finishing their deceased friendâs dream project. You donât know the show better than Miles and Kerry. No one does. Just because a group of people who have been dying for any mlm characters to make an appearance saw chemistry between Qrow and Clover doesnt mean it was bait. Idk how u can claim to know the story better than crwby and act blindsided that Clover was a doomed character who had death flags ever since his first appearance.
Because he wasnât and CRWBY egged it on as much as they possibly could They only started pulling the âno guys he was totally straightâ bullshit after they started getting criticized for baiting their fans.Â
Also, no, itâs not disrespectful. Whatâs actually disrespectful is using their deceased friend as a shield to deflect accurate criticism.Â
A character based on a fairytale of impatience getting the best of him and has the semblance of âgood fortuneâ doesnt scream red flags to you? The Ace Ops were given the same invincible presence that Pyrrha had and had a team of 5 instead of 4 for a reason, it was always hinted that one of them was going to die. Crwby has also always been very big on not commenting on ships due to ship wars in the past, theyve stood by that they dont want to encourage/discourage people from certain ships so to not listen to opinions from VAâs and animators (Michael talking about seamonkeys, Arryn talking about bumbleby, etc.) and instead do whatever you want. Also I would not consider calling crwby bootlickers (the irony), disrespectful to lgbt fans, and not knowing their own show âaccurate criticismâ. Yall are no better than the adam stans claiming Miles and Kerry changed him from an antihero to a villain, the âqrow is rubys dadâ theorists, or any other disgruntled base that has insisted that Miles and Kerry dont know what theyre doing. Leave the VAâs alone and stop harassing them over decisions they donât make.

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I normally don't break my blog's character in asks but I'm gonna make an exception here. How can you continue to support and advertise, in good conscience, for a company that has repeatedly baited and insulted its LGBT+ fanbase? Especially after they had Robyn basically lie about Clover's supposed flaws to berate Qrow - and on a meta level the audience that were mourning the representation they were explicitly promised - for feeling sad about his death?
So I appreciate the fact that you felt strongly enough about this to break your blogâs character in asks to bring this to my attention by answering this as openly and honestly as I can.
Firstly, Clover was never written as gay. Never. Not for a single second in his conception was Clover ever intended to be a love interest for Qrow nor was Clover ever written as a gay man. Period.
Secondly, Clover was never ever stated to be âexplicitly promisedâ representation for the mlm community. That is an entirely untrue statement with no actual basis for truth behind it. Thereâs no documentation of this anywhere, thereâs no draft where he was, none of that is true at all in any way, shape, or form.
Third, I have also stated many times that I do understand how a misunderstanding in how the audience perceives a character vs what the actual written intent was can hurt, saying that Iâve felt that burn before, and very much understanding how a fandom can feel a bit upset by it. But the fact that various creators, for many shows, have come forward to say âhey, not the intentionâ - such as the case with many folks feeling Jenny was tran-coded in My Life As A Teenage Robot, which actually took the creator 21 YEARS to actually acknowledge that fact despite it being spoken of many times - and expressed their concerns and understanding toward those communities affected by it... shows a sign of actually caring. Of which many folks working on this show did the same thing and did so immediately after the first sign of the misunderstanding.
Fourth, as the voice of a character that is a blatantly stated and explicitly promised bit of representation for an entirely underrepresented community of people itâs extremely frustrating to see a character that was never intended to be seen as and surely was never ACTUALLY written as a representation for a marginalized group of people being held up as an example of representation while my own character, who actually is a real example of representation, being constantly demonized and overlooked.
Fifth, the cast and crew of the show (including myself) have received more death threats about this than I think most of you care to actually acknowledge. Am I saying that you, specifically, issued any of those threats? No. But the fact that a lot of folks just forget that that happened is pretty telling to me.
So you asked âHow can you continue to support and advertise, in good conscience, for a company that has repeatedly baited and insulted its LGBT+ fanbaseâ ... the answer is because the actual representation for the LGBTQIA+ community that was explicitly stated and promised  was actually handled incredibly well, had time and care put into it, was thought about from concept, to design, to casting, to written dialogue. And that representation was not hidden, not coded, but bluntly stated both by creators outside of and inside of canon, and proudly on display in the show.Â
The final big reason that I can firmly state all of these things? Is because this isnât just a fictional situation. The people behind the scenes making this show possible actually stood up, stood by, and have put more effort into actually supporting the LGBTIQA+ community than most folks will ever even know or see. In a very real and tangible way these people have physically fought for the rights of people like me to be able to do what I do and, more importantly, to actually be able to live my actual real life with less fear of being actually harmed.
To top it all off, Iâm deeply hurt by how things are said by the fandom some days.
I see all the comments saying May isnât good rep because she doesnât look or sound manly enough to be a trans woman and that Joanna or Robyn looks more trans than May does and worse being said about her.
Clover being mlm was always just a head canon that the fandom leaned into, it was never ever stated to be canon at any point during the production of the show or creation of the character.
I do understand the hurt that some folks feel about it, trust me I do, but Iâve received death threats over this head canon while actually having put time, effort, and part of myself into actual on-screen representation ... having had that real work ignored with me and my co-workers continuously being harassed despite not a single shred of tangible evidence to back up the reason for the harassment.
TLDR:Â
Clover was never intended to be seen as gay, ever, and the fact that the fandom latched onto this head canon and has pushed it that it was always actually canon, in a very negative way, has only harmed both the fandom and staff.
Having a head canon is great, I love them, but seeing a creator (or group of creators) explicitly come out and debunk that head canon as to not spread a toxic and hurtful message that could easily spiral out of control and blatantly ignoring it because it doesnât fit in with your own narrative does not make that head canon into canon and will only make getting actual intended representation for that group much harder in the future.
It is desperately hurtful to have poured so much work into having a character that is actually a representative (and a promised one at that) of a marginalized group entirely ignored by the community because of a head canon for another character, and in doing so has only made that (very rare) bit of representation feel ironically invisible.
Well, I feel like I should address your points.Â
First off, it is blatantly untrue that Clover was not gay. Sure, he wasnât intended by the writers to be gay, but if hundreds of actually gay people are looking at a character and going âYeah theyâre gayâ with actual credible evidence in the work itself then Iâm going to believe them over the cishet writers that insist its a totally platonic friendship with no romantic undertones (this is exactly what happened with Destiel and Johnlock too, mind you) and Iâm incredibly disappointed to see you take the side of these writers that are, at best, completely clueless as to the subtext of their own damn show.Â
Secondly, ....yes, he was? Like, explicitly or implicitly, several members of Rooster Teeth implied he was mlm and either attracted to or in a relationship with Qrow. Thereâs Lindsayâs âBi is flyâ tweet on a thread about Qrow, the fact at least one RT staff member said something to the affect of âNow Qrow has 2 boyfriendsâ when Clover was introduced, literally everything about him designed to compliment Qrow the way other canon ships like Renora, Arkos, or Bumbleby complioment each other, the fact their emblems are sold together, the wink he gives Clover that directly parallels the flirty waitress from several volumes ago.Â
Third, see, the difference there is that Jenny is actually pretty decent trans rep (by the standard of 90â˛s-early 2000â˛s action cartoons at least) and he never directly exploited trans people that were hungry for representation for profit the way CRWBY does with Bumbleby currently and has done with Fair Game previously. And also, no, they never directly refuted or debunked anything until they started getting criticized after Clover died. If they did, then this whole situation never would have happened. But then that would cut into the profits they were getting, so they decided to wait,Â
Fourth, I love May, donât get me wrong. Seeing a fellow trans woman in a show I used to enjoy meant the world to me But, to be fair...she barely got any screen time in Volume 7, which was when all this was going down for the most part. In order for it to count as representation, I feel like the character should actually actively be there representing the demographic. Thereâs also the fact that having a trans character doesnât automatically make up for lackluster representation of other marginalized groups, and frankly its not fair to those groups to insist that their representation is fine because we have one transfem character strikes me as at best a sense of âfuck you, got mineâ selfishness and at worst a silencing tacticÂ
Fifth, I hope you know that the people sending you death threats are not an accurate representation of most of the people criticizing Rooster Teeth for how they handled Fair Game, nor does it actually debunk any of our actual poitns. Its abhorrent you got them at all, but then you also have to look at the massive amounts of harassment and death threats that we received from your fans as well, including those of us that were just mildly criticizing how Rooster Teeth handled the situation.Â
Sixth, no, theyâre really not. We have super unimportant side characters that were only confirmed in dubiously canon tie-in material that not everyone will read - Coco, Velvet, and Scarlet (and even if we do accept it as canon Scarlet is kind of a homophobic stereotype) -, characters that show up for like a volume at most - Illia and the Cotta-Arcs -,couples who are either deliberately left vaguely unconfirmed or not as explicitly affectionate as the heterosexual romances like Arkos and Renora were at their confirmation - Cotta-Arcs again and Bumbleby -, or glorified background characters whoâs LGBT+ status was only ever explicitly mentioned outside the show to the best of my memory - thereâs May. Hell, Blake spent an entire volume as relationship therapist to Renora instead of her relationship with Yang getting developed. Renora and Arkos both got super passionate heartfelt kisses, the most weâre getting are couples that sit abnormally far from each other on the couch and hold hands.Â
Iâm getting tired of saying this over and over, and I shouldnât have to say this to a person who should frankly know better given the fact that youâre also a member of the community that gets hurt the most by this mindset, , but being criticized for exploiting us for profit and then blaming us for being upset at that exploitation is not harassment. Were there people who harassed you? I donât doubt it, every movement has its extremists, but to sit there and pretend that weâve done nothing but harass you and your coworkers is disingenuous at best and outright malicious at worst. I see now I was naive to think youâd be any better than Eddy, Miles, or Kerry. It fills me with shame to share an identity with a bootlicker like you.Â
babe if RT says clover is not gay, clover is not gay, your opinion has no value here lmfao it doesnât matter how many of us interpret him as gay (and I wish he was)
also maybe leave kdin the fuck alone lmfao
Nah, heâs gay. Rooster Teeth is just run by a bunch of clueless cishets. If heâs not gay someone shouldâve told Lindsay, Kim, the voice actors, and pretty much everyone involved except seemingly Miles and Kerry.Â
I'm sorry but did you seriously just claim that some random LGBTQ fans know more about RWBY characters than the creators of RWBY?
Honestly, if someone did that to my original work, I'd be very personally pissed off. Like, what the hell?
Youâd be pissed off that LGBT+ people picked up on subtext youâre too ignorant to see that you wrote? ....You realize how homophobic that makes you look, right?
So if I claim that my creation has no such subtext and that you're just seeing things, you'd rather ignore me and belief such baseless claims because that's preferable? And call me horrible things just because???
Let me recontextualize this: I have written a character Sam that is black. I've said this online and in public.
But you decided "Nah, they're white now" and the fandom agrees. So everyone is now claiming Sam as white, even though I've said that they're black.
In other words, you've decide to whitewash my example character.
You claim that I'm homophobic but I've never seen Clover as gay and I'm BI AS FUCK. Your behaviour is partially the reason why the LGBTQ community is so divided; you throw such baseless and insulting claims just because a fictional media didn't go exactly the way you wanted to. You're even willing to cannibalise other LGBTQ people just because they disagree with you.
You've done nothing but embarrass everyone. A bisexual person like me believes in the inherent right as a creator to do what they want with a character. If they claim Clover is straight as a ruler (or alternatively asexual) and literally prove it, then that's pretty a divine word of God as far as I'm concerned.
I didn't see no romance between Qrow and Clover. I can see why people ship it but I've seen weirder ships.
Also, two guys can be friends. Same as two girls or a guy and a girl. By making everything sexual, you devalue friendships. Your behaviour is why guys are uncomfortable showing affection to friends; because you ship them for your own sick amusement.
Tldr: call me homophobic again and I'll make sure not even a single atom of yours gets to heaven.
See, your Sam example is different because black people are an underrepresented minority and whitewashing them removes what little representation they have left. Straight people, on the other hand, arenât going to struggle to find another character thatâs like them because thatâs basically most characters.Â
They didnât prove it though. They only insisted he was after they got called out for exploiting the ship for views and profit. Â
Sure, two guys or girls can be friends, but Iâm fucking sick of âWhAt AbOuT pLaToNiC fRiEnDsHiPsâ getting thrown around whenever we criticize something for gaybaiting. No, the reason guys are uncomfortable showing affection to friends is toxic masculinity and homophobia, not because someone ships two fictional men together out of a desire to see representation for themselves in media.Â
Also, yeah if hundreds of people pick up on a subtext to your story that you didnât know existed they know it better than you .
This is a VERY disrespectful take to have on two people finishing their deceased friendâs dream project. You donât know the show better than Miles and Kerry. No one does. Just because a group of people who have been dying for any mlm characters to make an appearance saw chemistry between Qrow and Clover doesnt mean it was bait. Idk how u can claim to know the story better than crwby and act blindsided that Clover was a doomed character who had death flags ever since his first appearance.
All alone in crowded rooms, Iâm incomplete, my life is paused when youâre not here.