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What I've noticed is that a lot of Snape stans think every anti Snape is pro James, so they tend to start talking more about how bad James is rather than what's good about Snape.

You call it bullying. I call it being mean.

You call it slut-shaming, I call it publicly embarrassing a student (To be clear, this bit is the only instance I would call is bullying, all others I wouldn’t. Because there was no academic need to read that article out loud. There was a need for disciplining reading non-class material but not academic.)

As for physically abusing Harry, I need to make sure we’re on the same page for that as well. Are we going for book “physical” abuse or movie physical abuse? Or both? Because without a doubt Movie Snape physically abused Harry and Ron, but those scenes were not in the book and were added for comedic effect (smacking their heads, and forcing their heads down, srsly da fuq movie directors!)

Additionally, we also have to agree on what constitutes defensible, because you’re removing motivation and context off the table by removing the Marauders entirely. Given how entrenched and entwined they are into Snape’s motivations and his history, without those you don’t get any of the explanations for why he does things. Not to use a straw man argument but, it’s like saying someone is guilty murder, but you’ve removed the context for why the murder happened. Was it self defense? Was it an accident? Was it pre-meditated? Were they mentally insane? Were they mentally congnizant? There’s a lot of things that go into someone’s motive that indicate if something was defensible and even that, still lends to one’s moral background.

So again, I need you to be specific. With page numbers, (or time stamps if we’re doing movie) which actions you want Snape stans to defend. And use neutral language to describe them, otherwise we’re always going to be coming at it from very different moral standpoints.

I'm too lazy to find page numbers but lemme just give a couple instances :) I'm also giving you my short opinion on these just so you have an idea on my views

- threatening to poison Neville's toad

now I get that it must be frustrating if Neville wasn't making the potion correct, but he could've tried to help instead of threatening to kill the toad and thus making neville more nervous, increasing his liklihood of failure.

- him making fun of Hermione's physical appearance in GoF ("I see no difference" when her teeth were at an abnormal size.)

I just don't think a teacher, who's someone you're supposed to trust should talk to you like that, or insult you like that. Especially when he was taking Draco's side and showing favoritism to the Slytherins.

- his racism this is mainly when he was in school

It started before he was in school, shown in his behavior to Petunia. Then when he called lily a mudblood - we see in the scene after that he called all of the muggleborns mudbloods. That's just so wrong to me. I wouldn't call the woman I love a racial slur, even in the heat of the moment.

Neville’s toad - using their pets was part of the curriculum. In this instance, he reminded Neville he could use his potion on his toad to test it. It’s a teaching method, and not every method is 100% effective, neville was the outlier.

I see no difference - the whole post goes into it.

Snape’s “racism” (I have a post about this on my main blog but it’s buried, but cliff notes) - this one is up to whether you’re taking JKR’s tweets to confirm canon as evidence. But even without them, mudblood is a word to describe people with muggle parents. Snape has a muggle father. Ergo, he’s a mudblood. A slur doesn’t have the same weight or bite when someone from the marginalized group uses it. Additionally people within said marginalized group sometimes use their slurs to insult someone because they’re behaving in a way that’s “supportive” of the oppressor group. In this instance, Lily smiling at Snape’s treatment at James’s hand being a betrayal to him. Hence I’d defend his use of it.

I’m sorry but what the hell?

Do I need to remind you Snape is the one hanging out with prejudiced purebloods and laugh along with them when they use dark magic on muggle borns?

Do I need to remind you Snape is the one who wants to join a genocidal terrorist organization that targets muggles/muggleborns?

And let’s not kid ourselves, it was crystal clear he called he mudblood in a humiliating way.

“I don’t need help from filthy little mudbloods like you.”

I won’t even bother to elaborate. If you don’t think he said it in a prejudiced and humiliating way, you’re either in denial or just delusional.

Also, yes slurs might not always have the same impact when it comes from someone that’s also in the oppressed group. But in this context, it does very much have the same impact.

His father being a muggle doesn’t change anything. I mean Voldemort’s father was also a muggle but we all saw how that turned out didn’t we?

Snape never accepts that part of himself. Even though he’s a half blood, Snape still views muggles as lesser than wizards. He doesn’t go around and call people mudblood in a “reclaiming the word that’s been used against us for years” way. He does it to hurt them. He does it in a way purebloods do.

I really wish I didn’t tho bc I happened to checked the post you linked and now I’m bothered so much more.

What I've noticed is that a lot of Snape stans think every anti Snape is pro James, so they tend to start talking more about how bad James is rather than what's good about Snape.

You call it bullying. I call it being mean.

You call it slut-shaming, I call it publicly embarrassing a student (To be clear, this bit is the only instance I would call is bullying, all others I wouldn’t. Because there was no academic need to read that article out loud. There was a need for disciplining reading non-class material but not academic.)

As for physically abusing Harry, I need to make sure we’re on the same page for that as well. Are we going for book “physical” abuse or movie physical abuse? Or both? Because without a doubt Movie Snape physically abused Harry and Ron, but those scenes were not in the book and were added for comedic effect (smacking their heads, and forcing their heads down, srsly da fuq movie directors!)

Additionally, we also have to agree on what constitutes defensible, because you’re removing motivation and context off the table by removing the Marauders entirely. Given how entrenched and entwined they are into Snape’s motivations and his history, without those you don’t get any of the explanations for why he does things. Not to use a straw man argument but, it’s like saying someone is guilty murder, but you’ve removed the context for why the murder happened. Was it self defense? Was it an accident? Was it pre-meditated? Were they mentally insane? Were they mentally congnizant? There’s a lot of things that go into someone’s motive that indicate if something was defensible and even that, still lends to one’s moral background.

So again, I need you to be specific. With page numbers, (or time stamps if we’re doing movie) which actions you want Snape stans to defend. And use neutral language to describe them, otherwise we’re always going to be coming at it from very different moral standpoints.

I'm too lazy to find page numbers but lemme just give a couple instances :) I'm also giving you my short opinion on these just so you have an idea on my views

- threatening to poison Neville's toad

now I get that it must be frustrating if Neville wasn't making the potion correct, but he could've tried to help instead of threatening to kill the toad and thus making neville more nervous, increasing his liklihood of failure.

- him making fun of Hermione's physical appearance in GoF ("I see no difference" when her teeth were at an abnormal size.)

I just don't think a teacher, who's someone you're supposed to trust should talk to you like that, or insult you like that. Especially when he was taking Draco's side and showing favoritism to the Slytherins.

- his racism this is mainly when he was in school

It started before he was in school, shown in his behavior to Petunia. Then when he called lily a mudblood - we see in the scene after that he called all of the muggleborns mudbloods. That's just so wrong to me. I wouldn't call the woman I love a racial slur, even in the heat of the moment.

Neville’s toad - using their pets was part of the curriculum. In this instance, he reminded Neville he could use his potion on his toad to test it. It’s a teaching method, and not every method is 100% effective, neville was the outlier.

I see no difference - the whole post goes into it.

Snape’s “racism” (I have a post about this on my main blog but it’s buried, but cliff notes) - this one is up to whether you’re taking JKR’s tweets to confirm canon as evidence. But even without them, mudblood is a word to describe people with muggle parents. Snape has a muggle father. Ergo, he’s a mudblood. A slur doesn’t have the same weight or bite when someone from the marginalized group uses it. Additionally people within said marginalized group sometimes use their slurs to insult someone because they’re behaving in a way that’s “supportive” of the oppressor group. In this instance, Lily smiling at Snape’s treatment at James’s hand being a betrayal to him. Hence I’d defend his use of it.

I’m sorry but what the hell?

Do I need to remind you Snape is the one hanging out with prejudiced purebloods and laugh along with them when they use dark magic on muggle borns?

Do I need to remind you Snape is the one who wants to join a genocidal terrorist organization that targets muggles/muggleborns?

And let’s not kid ourselves, it was crystal clear he called he mudblood in a humiliating way.

“I don’t need help from filthy little mudbloods like you.”

I won’t even bother to elaborate. If you don’t think he said it in a prejudiced and humiliating way, you’re either in denial or just delusional.

Also, yes slurs might not always have the same impact when it comes from someone that’s also in the oppressed group. But in this context, it does very much have the same impact.

His father being a muggle doesn’t change anything. I mean Voldemort’s father was also a muggle but we all saw how that turned out didn’t we?

Snape never accepts that part of himself. Even though he’s a half blood, Snape still views muggles as lesser than wizards. He doesn’t go around and call people mudblood in a “reclaiming the word that’s been used against us for years” way. He does it to hurt them. He does it in a way purebloods do.

“I’ll ask someone I like. Someone cool”

THIS ONE DOES IT TOO!!

I found a bunch more!!

I'm not a Harmony shipper, in fact I'm not a shipper at all, I don't ship either of them with others to be considered resentful that my ship didn't happen.. I just hate bad writing and Hinny was bad writing. People need to stop living in denial about that.

And it's not like I hate it because I didn't see it coming or was a movie fan first either. I read the books first (before the movies) after they all came out but I was spoiled about Hinny being together and was perfectly content and happy to see it all unfold in front of me, Ginny blushed in Book 1 and I thought it was very cute, and after Book 2 I was very excited and thought OK now JKR is gonna start developing them, let's go!!

Book after book I waited and looked for hints, what was offered was a ridiculous attempt at a set up to the point where I questioned the spoiler, and thought it might've been a prank.. but THEN I reached Book 6 and what smacked us in the face in was absolute trash I thought this couldn't possibly be it?!?! I even entertained the thought that maybe Ginny gave Harry a love potion? That would track with how JKR wrote the first 5 books, she would mention something in the first few chapter that comes into play later in the same book.. was that it?? but no it was real and this was how JKR attempted to put them together.. nope! Even with me waiting for it to happen, it still managed to look very forced and out of nowhere instead of organic.

Sorry JKR but if someone who was already spoiled and actually excited about the ship (it could've been great) hated it's execution then you failed with this one. I'm sure many fanfiction writers could've done better and I wouldn't mind reading a rewrite of how thier relationship developed.

What annoys me about the whole thing is that there was no reason for it to happen this way. If JKR really planned on Hinny from the start then why not develop them well? She definitely had time and yet she chose not to.. I think she woke up one day and realized she forgot to flesh out Ginny in the previous books and decided to pour all of it including the romance in the sixth one and it failed miserably.

But then I read the books and it was just… nothing?

In the second gif, he made a mistake. Which he later matured from. He was also 14, y’all have high expectations for teenagers dealing with emotions. Plus, it didn’t happen in the books. 

In the third gif, it really wasn’t his fault. He had no idea that Hermione had a crush on him. Hermione was in the wrong for attacking him with birds.