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so discussion about shaneās captaincy is generally pretty pointless ā in part because of reidās complete lack of interest in shaneās professional accomplishments, and partially because how people tend to interpret sexual dynamics as his only character trait regardless of context ā but tbc. shane being a bad captain and / or not wanting the captaincy is not supported in canon. in fact, we know is that shane was happy to be named captain over ilya at the all star game. in my mind it is hard to rectify the image of shane hollander the hockey player, known perfectionist and devout student of the ice, sincerely hating being captain. he is factually a more successful captain than ilya, even before ilya goes to ottawa. we know he loves his team. we know he loves montreal. we know he loves the voyagers. i find it really lazy when people defend his loss of a letter with insisting that shane hates being a captain and would enjoy just playing hockey more and trusting ilya to take care of things for him. i find it reductive. itās boring. sorry but i think that the gay autistic asian character having meaningful authority in an extremely conservative major sports league is a lot more interesting than him happily taking the backseat for his white partner. even ignoring that ilya is allowed to actually engage with and lead his team on page ā while shaneās cup wins and eventual professional implosion is relegated to summary paragraphs ā what shane represents is more important, especially given that he was publicly humiliated! shane is constructed out of blunt, unintentional stereotypes about his race and sexuality, something that him being a successful captain clearly subverts. and by that token, it is once again incredibly tone deaf that the original, intended ending for this series was shane being called a prima donna by his husband after losing his captaincy. ur trying to find an explanation for a decision that was just ill conceived and shitty
Obsessed with ur mind and AUs. just spent a few hours reading thru the stepford wife curse au. have to leave your profile now lest I lose my whole day to this but #trust I will be back
please tell us more about cliff marleau helping ilya seduce his own boyfriend in the sochibama au
he is so so confused but he has SO much spirit
A LOOSE OUTLINE OF CLIFF MARLEAUāS ATTEMPTS TO SUPPORT HOLLANOV IN THE SOCHI OUTING AU:
When they first get back from Sochi Cliff goes viral for the moment when he first reunites with Shane and Ilya.
He + the Boston Raiders meet with them when Hollanov + the Ally Squadās Arenāt You Glad You Risked WWIII To Save Us Gratitude Tour takes them to Boston. Hollanov + the Ally Squadās first stop upon returning to North American soil is the White House, where Shane has to finally face Obama, who has probably patriot actād his sexts. Neither of their teams are present for the D.C leg of the journey. The Metros owner and the Raiders owner are both there (+ the NHL Commissioner who is just. Boiling in his own homophobia) but their teams arenāt. The owners came to a gentlemanās agreement that they would ban their team members from flying to D.C. to greet Hollanov when they arrived so that way theyād both have more time to force their players through diversity + sensitivity training in anticipation for having to reckon head on with the olā Capās Back With His Secret Gay Lover, The Enemy realization. The Metros have already clocked that some of the team is not rushing to D.C. to welcome Shane back with open arms and is fuckin terrified of the absolute powder keg Montreal will become if they realize that not everyone on the team is happy that Shane made it out of Russia alive. The Raiders meanwhile are still dealing with the fallout from their entire roster of first and second line regulars announcing that Ilya Rozanov is straight and they are the ones who talk regularly about taking Shane Hollander manfully against a wall and they need as much time as possible before those assholes are on camera again. They agree to quietly ban their players from flying out to see Shane and Ilya before they return to their respective cities so that way the public isnāt able to nitpick over who shows up versus who doesnāt. Hayden nearly. Explodes. Let him be with his boys.
Anyway cliff cries multiple times, decrees Shane an honorary Boston Raider, and gifts him a Raiders jersey thatās been customized to read āHOLLANDERā on the back, which Shane could not possibly have received with less enthusiasm. Wow. Thatās. Wow. What a gift. These moments all go viral. It is not his most viral moment.
His most viral moment is him staring at Shane holding Ilyaās hand with undisguised wonder, shaking his head, and asking āHow did this happen?ā with so much bewildered awe that it perfectly encapsulates how the world at large feels about this relationship. How DID this happen.
Cliff is just. Coming out the gate as the worldās biggest Hollanov shipper. He loves #HisBoyandHisMan. Love is real and his boy HAS it. Has there ever been a more beautiful couple.
I think understanding Cliffās role in this needs more backstory about how I imagine Cliff and Ilyaās initial arc in the Sochi Outing AU so weāre gonna do some backstory first.
The Cliff that lives in my head is a consummate big brother who is very loud about how he loves people. He wants his loved ones to know that heās happy for them and cares about them. And heās purposeful about it.
I love giving Cliff a lesbian sister and in my mind thereās an age gap between him and his lesbian sister. Like, 10ish years. And once he got over the initial horror of having direct confirmation that his parents still had sex (inherently gross and wrong), he was so fucking here for being a big brother. His baby sister was his little princess. If anyone ever touched her he would Kill Them In Real Life
His little sister went through like, the gauntlet of being a trouble teenager. She was just struggling and unhappy and uncomfortable. In my mind, they grew up in a more conservative area, and when she started realizing she was gay, she just. Did not know if her family and specifically if Cliff would still love her. He was older than her. He moved out when he got drafted so he wasnāt living with her most of her childhood. He was a fucking hockey player. He was in a very homophobic space and he used homophobic language without even thinking of it as specifically homophobic. Like. I think he and pretty much all of the Raiders have thrown around ācocksuckerā as an insult in front of Ilya at least once and not even really thought of it as āthe insult is that heās gay.ā It was just something you say.
But he threw around that kind of language in front of his sister. And it contributed to why she was so worried that he just wouldnāt love her anymore if he knew.
When he eventually finds out why his sister has been struggling and realizes that she was scared of him, it was one of the lowest moments of his fucking life. I think he always sort of took for granted that his sister knew he was in her corner no matter what and the realization that she didnāt know that was really hard on him.
Heās like, a really loud and kinda inelegant and enthusiastic ally to her as a result. Every time he sees a rainbow heās texting her a photo of it like āthought of u.ā Heās trying to talk to her about what celebrity women are hot and sheād actually much rather they never talked about that ever. Heās making plans to fly her down to Boston for Pride. In 2014, sheās still a teenager and he only found out that she was gay like, the offseason before Sochi. This experience is Fresh for him.
As a result, Cliff goes right from the gauntlet of his sister crying as she tells him sheās gay and blatantly afraid of him as she does it and into the fucking life grenade that is realizing that His Motherfucking Boy, who he thinks of as the little brother he never had, has been outed in Russia as Shane Hollanderās respectful(?) bisexual lover.
Cliff really struggles while Ilyaās in Russia and itās unclear if heās going to be allowed to leave or if heāll even survive. Like. All he can think is that Ilya may actually die thinking that Cliff wouldnt love him if he knew that he liked men too.
Cliff is very much a big figure brother to Ilya in this. He outright thinks of himself as Ilyaās big brother. Cliff is a decent few years older than Ilya. In my mind, Ilya straight up billeted with him his first year with the Raiders. He helped acclimate Ilya to America. He thought that this was going to be a relatively run of the mill āheās the 1OA draft pick so heās going to have a lot of attention on him and needs help adjustingā and then it turned into the NHL going all in on him and his rivalry with Shane in a way that was unprecedented. Cliffās very protective of him after seeing the pressure on Ilya his first year and he loves him like a little brother.
Which is one of the reasons why he is shipping Hollanov as hard as he possibly can. Cliff is the one who has the most inklings of the fact that Ilya does not have a happy home life. He saw hints over the years that something was fucked and Ilya would never talk to him about what had happened.
Then Ilya gets outed in Russia. His family isnāt backing him. His country now hates him. And Cliff is stuck in another fucking country with extremely limited ability to help Ilya. He felt like heād just have to watch Ilya be murdered or imprisoned and he couldnāt do anything to change that fact.
Then Shane Hollander flees his own delegation to go find Ilya. He refuses to go to safety unless Ilya is brought with him. No one was supposed to save Ilya but Shane does it anyway. Shane is like this beautiful gay hockey playing angel to Cliff. He owes Shane a blood debt for saving His Boy and he will PROUDLY take a bullet for him as a result.
I cannot emphasize enough that Cliff is so happy that Shane and Ilya found each other. Cliff met Ilya as this poor fucking 18 year old who, for all of his bravado, had been plainly abused beyond belief and had never been loved the way he deserved and then Cliff finds out that not only did Ilya bag the baddest bitch in hockey, but that guy loves Ilya to the point of self destruction. Shane risked his life to get Ilya out of Russia with him and so now Cliff feels like Ilya found someone who loves him the way he deserves to be loved. He is weeping tears of joy at the overwhelming beauty of Hollanov. What. What do you mean itās not real. Of course itās real. Heās seen it with his own eyes. #trust
Ilyaās early arc in this fic is dedicated to unpacking his familyās abuse and how that impacts his idea of love and relationships. And Cliff is a big part of doing that.
I previously said that Shane and Ilya experience a reversal of fortunes in the season. Shaneās fortune goes from fair to foul. Ilyaās fortune goes from foul to fair. And Ilyaās fortune at the start of this fic is very, very foul.
Ilya has been subjected to horrible abuse from a young age. Love has always been very very conditional as it applies to him. He is just something for his loved ones to eat. He is farmed for money, for influence, for his image, and his family constantly demands more, more, more. He is only as good as what he can give them, and he is never good enough.
On a level, he knows how his family treats him is wrong, but they are still his family. He wants them to love him. And he doesnāt know any other kind of love. It is not that he likes being treated as a cash cow. Itās just that heās never had any other kind of dynamic. It is familiar. He knows how it goes when he is offering something to the people he is in a relationship with.
Shane Hollander explodes that entire dynamic and then sets fire to its remains.
His entire relationship with Shane drags Ilya into completely unfamiliar territory and strands him there. His entire life, he has only ever been worth as much as he can give other people, and he feels like he cannot give Shane anything.
Shane is not in genuine danger in Russia. He is protected by his delegation. Russia would have never dared go after a visiting Olympianāespecially when he didnāt initiate the kiss with Ilya and actively shoved Ilya away at the end of itāif Shane hadnāt started escalating the situation at every possible turn. He actively puts himself in danger for Ilyaās sake. From Ilyaās perspective, Shane had a way out of this. He could have called Ilya a perverted freak who forced a kiss on him, look, Shane had to shove that asshole away twice to get him off of him, itās right there on the video. Ilya is convinced that Shane could have walked away from this relatively scott free and instead heās trapped himself in an extremely public, extremely scrutinized, extremely inescapable relationship for Ilyaās sake. In Ilyaās mind, he is the only one who gets any kind of benefit from the fake relationship. Shane sees no return on this.
And again and again in Sochi and its immediate aftermath Ilya feels like Shane has to sacrifice for Ilyaās benefit. He has to abandon the Olympic finals so Russia will let Ilya leave. They get back to the States and have to face Shaneās parents, who are on the tarmac with two bouquets of flowers and ready to welcome Ilya into the Hollander family. They are so, so sorry they made Shane feel like he couldnāt tell them but they love him and theyāre going to love Ilya and they just want them to know that as far as theyāre concerned they sent one son to Russia and got two back.
Shane and Ilya then have to cop to the fact that the relationship is fucking fake.
They already talked about it. Shane canāt lie to his parents for the rest of their lives and frankly they need his motherās PR savvy to help them figure out how to sell this fucking lie. David and Yuna are immediately brought in the circle about everything save Svetlanaās involvement, which Shane and Ilya arenāt telling to anyone outside of the federal agent debriefing them on what the fuck happened in Russia. And thereās this scene where Yuna is kind of panicking trying to explain to Shane the enormity of what they just did. They are now the face of gay marriage. The fucking democrats are already working on codifying gay marriage into federal law and planning to name the fucking bill after them. The public will likely expect them to get married under it if and when it passes. The entire world is following their relationship. There is a massive fucking target on their back now and they are dependent on the goodwill of the American and Canadian governments to keep them from dying in a Russian hit. They may legitimately be killed in the street if people find out this wasnāt a real relationship. They canāt break up. They may never get to marry for love because they likely have to marry each other and they just said that they donāt love each other. This. This is the rest of their lives. This is the rest of their lives.
And Shaneās like. I know. Mom I know. We had no other choice. We know what this costs so just, just help us figure out how to pay itā
And Ilyas sitting there feeling like shit. Because in his mind, Shane did have another choice, and it was to let Ilya die. He could have said he wasnāt gay, and Ilya forced the kiss on him, and he was just too much of a class act to tell people what a fucking freak Ilya was, and Ilya knows for a fact that Shane could have done this because the Canadian delegation actively tries to get him to do this. They push Shane hard before America intervenes. The prime minister at the time was very conservative and did not want to be a champion for gay hockey Romeo & Juliet. He also didnāt want to face the upcoming election as the guy who left Shane Hollander, the beloved hockey prince of Canada, to die in Russia. His people put extreme pressure on Shane to try to walk back his relationship with Ilya and just say that Ilya forced the Vegas kiss on him. But Shane dug in his heels. No, they were in a committed, romantic relationship when that kiss happened. Really. Shane only freaked out and shoved Ilya away because they were in public. He loves Ilya. Heās loved Ilya for years. Heās not leaving this country without him. Itās a real relationship, itās a real relationship, itās a real relationship.
Iām playing with the idea that Ilyaās family 1) picked his entire team for him when he was 18 and freshly drafted as a way to control him and 2) exploited that control to rob him blind while he was just fighting for his goddamn life trying to find a way out of Russia. His family picked his financial advisor, and his financial advisor started draining his accounts when Ilya was outed. All of the money he had in Russian banks is a lost cause, heās never seeing that again, and his family starts actively draining his American accounts. His bank eventually realized what was happening and froze his accounts, but by that point, heād lost a lot of money. And realizing that it wasnāt enough to abandon him, his family actively chose to steal from him when he was in mortal danger is just an agonizing blow to Ilya. He shouldnāt be surprised by this. All theyāve ever done is hurt him and use him. But this just is still so fucking painful to him.
Shane and Ilya are facing a lot of expenses when they get back. They have to hire a security team. Ilya specifically has to replace his agent, his lawyers, his accountant, his financial advisor, everything. Ilya needs a lawyer to immediately file his application for a visa with a path to American citizenship. They have to break their leases and move into buildings with better security. They need new phones, cars with tinted windows that are approved by their security expert, etc. They have to pay for top of the line suits for their Arenāt You Glad You Risked WWIII To Save Us Gratitude Tour. That all costs money. Ilya still has money but his finances have taken a severe blow at the worst possible time.
And Shane is like. Okay. Okay. We canātheyāre trying to get the stolen money back, and youāll get more money once the season resumes and we start getting paid by our teams again, but for right now you have your existing credit lines and weāre going to add you as an authorized user to my bank account and just get you in a new, safer living situation and get you with a bodyguard and a new team and just figure it out from there. And Ilya does not want to do that. He does not want Shane literally paying his way. And Shane insists that heās fine with it and Ilya can pay him back later but itās just one more way that Ilya feels like this relationship is coming at Shaneās direct cost.
Calvin Klein comes out the gate with a very aggressive offer to make Shane and Ilya brand ambassadors out of Sochi. The brand wants to dress them for their gratitude tour and also every other event for the next few years and also to give them the biggest, sluttiest pride month spread in the history of the brand. Here is a seven figure compensation offer thatās expiring soon because you need to be in Calvin Klein for the gratitude tour if you want this deal to go through. It is not the kind of deal Ilya would normally go for. For one, these kinds of offers just werenāt getting to him because his agent was actively limiting his ties to America on his familyās orders, but for another, Ilya liked having the freedom to dress himself. So much of what he liked about America was the choices he got there. He doesnāt want his outfits to be dictated by a contractāhe wants to keep as much freedom as he can in the moments he gets to have it. He would normally be willing to go for a modeling gig, but they want more than thatāthey want Ilya to agree to let them dress him for the duration of the package. He is losing choices to this.
Ilya goes for the deal in part because he wants to limit the perceived burden on Shane. He effectively sells himself for the cash so he doesnāt have to owe Shane anymore than he absolutely has to.
Shane meanwhile perceives these same events completely differently. Heās fucking stressed because heās 1) since realized he could have tried to lie that the entire Vegas kiss was a fucked up hazing ritual, why the fuck didnāt he think of trying that, heās so fucking stupid, and 2) realized that his lie has completely taken over Ilyaās life. He feels like he borderline kidnapped and trapped Ilya in this relationship, obviously for his own sake and not for Ilyaās. He is fucking nervous about how much control heās getting over Ilyaās life. He doesnāt want Ilya financially dependent on him because 1) itās incredibly fucked up that his family did that to him, Shane is SO fucking angry and 2) he doesnāt want his fucking sexual partner to feel like his livelihood and safety is dependent on putting out. Shane gets into it with his mom at one point because Yuna thinks she should just take over Ilyaās managementāand she objectively has a point about it, because they cannot risk telling his agent the truth. They need a united front, and his agent just would not be working with all of the information. But Shane does not want his mom managing Ilya because he doesnāt want Ilya to feel like Shane has taken over his entire fucking life. Shane thinks Ilya went from trying to end their situationship because he doesnāt like Shane and didnāt want to keep hooking up with him to suddenly being trapped in a publicly romantic relationship with him and suddenly his career opportunities and safety are seemingly chained to keeping Shane happy. He wants Ilya to have an agent and a team who have absolutely no loyalty to Shane so that way Shane can feel a little bit less like he got Obama to kidnap him a boyfriend. Shane is so unimaginably stressed about how his fucking plan has trapped Ilya in a position where he may feel like heās obligated to give Shane more than he wants to give and meanwhile Ilyaās sitting there like āI can give him nothing NOTHING I am a leech draining him and he will come to regret all the sacrifices heās making for me.ā Like. They could not possibly be more different in how they perceive whatās going on.
Ilya is just completely uncalibrated by his early dynamic with Shane. The only person in his life before Shane that made him feel like their love wasnāt transactional and he wasnāt just there to be farmed for wealth was Svetlana, and he has lost her. Svetlana sacrifices her own safety to protect Ilya, and now she is still stuck in Russia. He is adrift. He knows he doesnāt want his relationship with Shane to be like his familyās relationship with him but he doesnāt know how to have any other kind of relationship. He has been raised to have his entire sense of self worth be tied to what he can give to other people. That sense of worth is completely upended by his early dynamic with Shane. And a big part of his arc is freeing himself from this sense that love is transactional. Cliff is critical to that.
I do not think Shane and Ilya are good candidates to be each otherās support system at the start of this fic. There is just too many external pressures on their relationship, which has had almost no time to develop before they were outed. Again, Shane is very worried that his rushed plan has forced Ilya into a position where Shane is now his only option for sex and romance, where he may dictate (at least for a time) his financial wellbeing and physical safety since he needs to hire bodyguards, and where his fucking mom may take over his career opportunities. And while Shane firmly believes his motherās love for him would not extend to her letting a clientās hockey career be anything less than the best, Ilya doesnāt know that. Shane does not want Ilya to feel like Shane is his only option for emotional support on top of everything else. Heās so fucking stressed out about the power imbalance here. And Ilya, meanwhile, feels like heās taking endlessly from Shane and giving nothing back. He doesnāt want to make Shane give him emotional support on top of everything else. He tries to hide how hard heās struggling after Sochi so Shane doesnāt feel like he also has to give Ilya a shoulder to cry on.
But Shane clocks that Ilyaās struggling, and I think heās the one to float the idea of Ilya bringing someone into the secret. He wants Ilya to have a support system. Theyāre all struggling with the weight of the worldās attention on them, but Ilyaās the one whoās most alone in doing so. Shane and J.J. have each other, Shane also has his parents, Scott and Carter have each other, but Ilya lost his family and Svetlana in one fell swoop. Heās all alone in Boston, and Shane doesnāt want him to be. Seriously, they can make it work. If Ilya wants to bring someone in on the secret, he can, and they can make contingencies for if whoever he picks tries to tell the public.
Even then, I think the only reason why Ilya agrees is because itās ultimately framed as transactional. J.J. and Shane are really struggling with lying to Hayden. Shane and J.J. get to tell Hayden and Ilya gets to tell one of the Raiders. This is no longer just for his benefit, so Ilya feels more comfortable to admit he needs it. And Ilya picks Cliff.
And itās his relationship with Cliff that ultimately goes the farthest to free him of this idea of transactional love. When Ilya was living with Cliff, he had a bunch of little ways of making sure Cliff was getting return on this relationship. He could buy Cliffās drinks, set him up for sick fucking goals, bring him back dinner, etc. But the transaction starts becoming unbalanced when Cliff is being brought into the fold. Cliff just doesnāt need support the way Ilya does right now. Ilya needs more than he can return right now. Cliff is just happy to be here for his bro. All he really needs is the occasional advice about how to be a good and supportive brother to his lesbian sister. #ally
Cliff slips under ilyaās radar entirely. He is this constant source of You Do This For Your Bros, You Do This For Your Bros, You Do This For Your Bros. Ilya is so hyper aware of the perceived imbalance in his relationship with Shane but because he already has an established dynamic with Cliff, he doesnāt initially perceive it as imbalanced. Ilya always makes sure this relationship is worth it to Marley, until he canāt anymore. And that helps him realize that this relationship isnāt transactional to Cliffāit is sincere and unconditional love. Cliff isnāt here because heās getting something out of Ilyaāheās here because he loves Ilya. This is just what you do for the people you love. This is what Ilya always should have had.
But Ilya doesnāt know thatās why cliffs here. Cliff doesnāt even know thatās why Cliffās here. Cliff thinks heās here in part to Help His Boy Woo His Man. Cliff has SEEN it. Ilya has already Won His Manās Heart. Ilyaās just gotta show Hollander that he wants all that gushy couple stuff with him and heāll HAVE that. #trust
Boris is the least willing member of the Counsel For Shane Hollanderās Heart. Like he kind of has to be around for the most part to keep Ilya from dying in a terrible passion in a state sanctioned hit so heās implicated by proximity. Jesus Christ he wants to hear less about that manās freckles.
Again, Ilyaās self worth is tied to what he can offer other people due to his familyās abuse. He drives so hard for his cup win because he views it as a way of showing people he was worth saving. And he wants so badly to show specifically Shane that he was worth saving.
By the end of the season, Shaneās life is falling apart. His fortune is reversing. I think I said in an earlier post that Ilya wasnāt super aware of just how bad the season went for Shane because heās so fucked up from watching Shane get almost murdered in the Olympic semi-finals that Cliff had to cut him off from watching Shaneās games, but the more I think about it, the more I think it would still get back to Ilya even if Ilya wasnāt watching his games. Ilya doesnāt know the full extent of how bad it gotāit gets bad enough that multiple members of the coaching staff have to be replaced, the team doctor has to be replaced, and Thompson straight up will not leave Shane alone with many of his teammates anymore because he views them as a threat to Shaneās physical safetyābut he knows that Shaneās team is falling apart and has to be rebuilt. He knows Shaneās facing severe scrutiny from the public over whether he left before the Olympics finals match for Ilyaās sake and lied about it being due to complications with his injury. He knows Shaneās struggling badly.
Ilya feels like the cost Shane pays for saving him is just increasing by the day and he wants to change that. He wants to show Shane that he can give something back to him. He can make Shane happy. This doesnāt have to just be a relationship he trapped Shane ināit can be real.
Ilyaās plan is to unleash the nuclear option of wooing during the playoffs. He is leaving no stone unturned. His fridge? Stocked with the nationās supply of ginger ale. Its temperature has been adjusted to the ideal serving temperature for ginger ale. He has the yogurt with the right texture that Shane likes. He has ensured that heās ready with enough of Shaneās preferred brand of shampoo, conditioner, soap, and toothpaste to carry them through the goddamn apocalypse. He is making excruciatingly detailed plans for how to make Shane feel comfortable and happy while heās living with Ilya.
Ilya wants Shane to like being with him so badly.
Ilya wants Shane to like being with him so badly.
This is the first time theyāll ever be spending more than a few days together. The playoffs go on for months if the raiders manage to go all the way, and then thereās the offseason, and fucking. Pride month and all the ways theyāll be expected to perform for it. And, critically, they have next to no ability to get distance between each other in that time. Every time they go out, they have to deal with the ensuing security nightmare. One of them canāt just leave and get some space. They have to spend this time together. And theyāll have to share a room and a bed with every single away game, and Ilya is planning to make a play for Shane to share his bed during the home games too. They have never had to be in close proximity for this long before.
They are staring down the barrel of a lifetime together. They may have to get married to keep this lie up. And the playoffs is their first test to see if they can handle being in close proximity with each other for an extended period of time. Ilya wants so unbelievably badly to be able to make Shane happy during this time because maybe then heāll be able to make Shane happy for the rest of their lives. Maybe Shane could be genuinely happy being in a relationship with Ilya and being married to Ilya and all of those other things suddenly in their future because he had to blow up his own life to get Ilya out of fucking Russia alive.
Cliff thinks that theyāre gonna knock his manās goddamn socks off. Theyāre gonna fuckinā dazzle him, Roz. Hollander wonāt know whatāll hit him. But itās gonna be love.
Boris thinks that love bombing is famously the foundation of every healthy relationship.
And Cliff is like. It sure fuckinā is. You set off a big bomb of love in your manās life. You detonate that love bomb.
And Boris is like. No, no, love bombing is BAD. Just fucking tell him you love him for real.
But Ilya simply will not do that. That kind of communicative skill is three years off at LEAST in canon and nowhere to be found here. His plan is thus:
He is going to fuck Shane Hollander within an inch of his life.
And then he is going to start advancing like goddamn Napoleon while Shaneās still fuzzy in the afterglow.
I spoke in a different post about how Shane and Ilya both retreat to sex as a source of safety and familiarity in their dynamic and Ilyaās really relying on it here. At this point, theyāve worked out enough that theyāre back at their old dynamic of having sex, but Ilya wants so much more from Shane. He wants to kiss his freckles every morning and to tell him he loves him and to share their deepest thoughts every day for the rest of their lives. He wants their relationship to be real. So heās just going to start shifting their relationship dynamic and see how much shane lets him get away with it.
Ilyaās first play is to get Shane to sleep in his bed even theyāre staying at his house during home games (I think I mentioned this in another post but I see them giving each other their own rooms in each otherās houses at the start of this fic so they have their own spaces) and he is absolutely front-loading that conversation with sex. He is opening the door to Shane and Thompson and closing the door right in Thompsonās face. Thank you so much for bringing him here Thompson but Ilya has got it from here maybe go see the constitution or something it is a very special boat that he is sure Thompson will love. Take the whole rest of the day for Thompson Time because Shane will not need to go out until tomorrow at earliest. Ilya will take good care of Shaneās body until the next time Thompson needs to guard it. Goodbye and do not contact them for anything short of an immediate and mortal threat.
Thompson is. So tired.
Ilyaās opening overtures is just the tuna melt sequence. He is deferring all conversation until heās wrung at least two orgasms out of Shane and then heās asking him to stay and sleep in his bed during the whole playoffs and also at every opportunity for their rest of their lives please please please he wants to wake up with Shane in his arms forever and he wants Shane to feel happy waking up there. And Shane, who has been nursing shameful fantasies about getting to drag his fingers through Ilyaās gorgeous gorgeous curls again in the soft grey light of the dusk is like. Yeah sure man we could try that. Ilya probably just wants to get into a routine for the playoffs anyway.
Ilya tries so hard during the 2014 playoffs. He tries so hard. And in many ways he succeeds. He really does gain ground in his relationship with Shane during this time.
He just finally has the time and opportunity to try for sincere intimacy with Shane. These men have had absolutely no chance to date leading up to this. They warped straight from early situationship era to the public trying to make a countdown to their wedding based on when the goddamn gay marriage bill named after them is likely to pass.
I think Ilya straight up plans a date for them in the days before the playoffs start. Their opportunities to go out on a date together have been limited because, again, itās a security nightmare every time. Theyāre both at active threat of Russian assassination, and the Russian government loves poisoning people. They canāt just casually go out to dinnerāthey have to go out of their way to do background checks on the staff and secure the kitchen in advance and itās just this massive logistical mess. They got to go on one (1) date in Montreal during the gratitude tour and it was mostly treated as a publicity stunt. Like. They found out that they were going on a date because someone handed them an itinerary with the word ādateā on it.
Again, they both feel like they trapped the other in this relationship, and Ilyaās the first one to make it to ābut maybe I could make it real anyway.ā He doesnāt want Shane to feel like Ilyaās treating him like āwell Iāve successfully trapped you into staying with me so thereās no need for me to pursue you.ā He wants to wine and dine Shane. Heās trying to woo his own boyfriend over here. Heās putting in so much effort so itās clear to Shane that he thinks Shaneās worth the effort so please love him back please let this be real please be happy being with Ilya maybe forever maybe for the rest of their lives.
Cliff is all in on the date preparations. Heās dating himself and his bros for a bit. Heās dragging his fellow raiders out for dry runs at potential date locales on Ilyaās behalf and not explaining why because Boris said he wasnāt allowed to. Sometimes you just want a nice dinner with your bros. He is making detailed notes about whether the lighting at the restaurant was right and whether the restaurant was too hot or cold and whether the music was too loud. He is engaging in extensive debate over whether Hollander would like flowers and if itās possible to give someone a bouquet of hockey pucks.
Cliffās main role during this arc is to be Hollanovās biggest hype man. His job is like the opposite of what the memento mori guy did in Rome. Brother you WILL live forever and it WILL be with your man. #trust
In practice a lot of his support is dedicated towards making the other raiders be fucking cool about this
Itās 2014. Theyāre hockey players. The Boston raiders mostly tripped face first into their allyship because Cliff decided to come out for all of them as shanesexual on international news and they just kind of maintained that energy going forward. Okay cool so cap likes dudes thatās. Thatās fine. Theyāre cool with that. Super glad he didnāt die in Russian detention.
But knowing abstractly ācapās gay for Shane Hollanderā is different from seeing Ilya bring Hollander a ginger ale in the airport lounge because he notices the things Shane likes he notices everything about Shane please love him back and then tenderly kissing the back of his knuckles. Itās different from getting daily news reminders that Capās having constant lucky playoffs sex with Shane Fucking Hollander.
Like. Itās not that theyād forgotten it was gay gay before this. Itās more that it just wasnāt right in front of them. Shane and Ilya have been playing this like theyāre the royal family. Theyāre very physically restrained with each other in public. People acted like they were a freak show novelty act after Sochi and they had no interest in performing pda so everyone could gawk and laugh and take photographs. They sure as hell were not acting like anything more than professional colleagues at games, which is the only time the Raiders have really seen them together beyond the post-Sochi press events. Shane and Ilya always retreated to one of their houses after games, and any intimacy that may or may not be happening was confined to those settings. They just werenāt really thinking about it.
But the press is a nightmare during the 2014 playoffs. For one, itās the first major event since Sochi. The entire world is watching Ilya Rozanov make his playoffs run after he was saved from Russia. The full force of the worldās attention has been resurrected and trained on them. This is the most watched playoffs run in NHL history and 90% of the global audience is watching raiders games for glimpses of Hollanov.
But for another, itās the first time Shane and Ilya were successfully papped kissing since the Vegas kiss that outed them and it sends the press into a frenzy trying to get more. Like. Theyāve dodged every post-Sochi request to perform a kiss for public consumption. They donāt do that on command, thanks. Theyāre not show ponies. But then they get papped kissing in Ilyaās backyard and it is not exactly a chaste peck on the cheek. Itās also not exactly a blowjob on the front lawn but the press carries on like it is. Like. Itās a slightly heated kiss and then they go inside immediately after and then suddenly they have international headlines about how itās gay sex mania in Boston. And the raiders are seeing all of it.
Theyāre trying. Theyāre not always succeeding, but theyāre trying. Itās Babyās First Publicly Gay Couple: Co-Starring Men Who Were Raised To Believe Gay People Were Mostly Just A Cautionary Tale.
Shane and the Ally Squad are traveling with the Raiders during the playoffs with ownerships excruciatingly clear directive to make them feel welcome. This is the first time they really are interacting with Shane in close quarters and with Shane and Ilya as a couple. And they are still extremely restrained with each other. Theyāre not exactly necking on the private jet. Theyāre making their first forays into hand holding in a semi-public setting. Itās just kinda weird for the Raiders to see because itās Cap in gay love because itās Hollander. Thatās not homophobic to say, is it? Whereās the slide deck from the last diversity + inclusion seminar ownership made them attend?
Cliff does not fucking want anyone saying itās weird to see his boyās beautiful beautiful love. Itās an honor to witness this. They should feel honored.
Like he doesnāt want them being weird on principle but also because he knows how badly Ilya wants Shane to feel comfortable while heās with them. This last season went very poorly for Shane. Shane didnāt get āmostly supportive with the occasional uncomfortable comment that gets addressed immediately because ownership wants Obama to go golfing with him.ā He got āwonāt even talk about how bad it went but it ended with multiple members of support staff getting fired and multiple unexpected trades happening in a rush and a league-wide rumor that more trades were in the barrel and going through as soon as trading reopened because they all hate crimed him and ownership needs it to stop because he wants Obama to go golfing with him.ā
Shaneās just become visibly on guard around other players in a way he wasnāt before they were outed and Ilya is fucking stressed out about it. At least when heās with His Boys, the worst Ilyaās had to worry about are stupid questions about like. How do you decide who gets to put it in. Do you flip a coin or something. Shaneās moving like he expects to be jumped at any moment and critically Hayden and J.J. are also moving like that. No one is copping to what exactly happened but Ilyaās getting fucking stressed because heās getting the sense that it was bad because Hayden now refuses to leave Shane or J.J. alone with anyone whoās not a member of Hollanov + the Ally Squad. Like heās trying to be subtle about it but also heās also just not a very subtle man. Ilya left Shane in the airport lounge with His Boys one (1) time to go to the bathroom and when Hayden walked out of a stall and saw Ilya there and realized that J.J., Carter, and Scottās car was stuck in traffic so it must just be Shane and the Raiders in the lounge right now he took off like there was a bomb threat and he was the only man licensed to defuse it. Haha hey buddy howās it going was everything fucking cool while he was gone.
Ilya does not want Shane to have to spend the rest of his career walking around like heās got a sniper trained on him at all moments. Theyāre going to likely be spending every playoffs together for the rest of their careers. He doesnāt want that time to just be Shane stressed and uncomfortable and on guardāhe wants Shane to feel like heās safe when heās with Ilyaās Boys.
Cliff also wants that. Everyone be fucking cool about Shane and the beautiful beautiful love he shares with their cap.
Legend has it that if you made a thoughtless comment about how huh itās kinda weird to see Cap all gushy over Hollander, Cliff Marleau will Appear, Looming And Insisting That Itās Not Weird Itās Beautiful Their Love Is Beautiful You Go Cap Youāre Doing It Youāre Treating Your Man RIGHT. Donāt You Ever Fucking Say That Itās Weird Again ESPECIALLY Not Where Holly May Hear It.
Beyond that Cliff is just. So enthusiastic about Ilyaās efforts to Woo His Man. Heās texting Ilya after their date night like ābrother did he LOVE itā and Ilya is replying with a gif of someone slam dunking a basketball and Cliff is replying with a gif of a bald eagle cawing in front of the American flag. Hell YES look at you youāre DOING it.
Boris is wildly underpaid because he has to have the presence of mind to text Cliff in advance ādo NOT congratulate Ilya on the backyard kiss itās bad that they ended up in the news for that itās BADā and thank god because Cliff was in the process of screenshotting the photo from the article and texting Ilya āLOOKS LIKE YOURE KEEPING YOUR MAN HAPPY.ā In his defense Shane is smiling more than Cliffās EVER seen him smile in those photos and he meant it more about the smile than as a sex thing. Heās. Heās confused but he has a lot of spirit.
Every time Ilya dares to hold Shaneās hand in public or to gently tug him over to sit with him on the plane instead of with Hayden or J.J. and Shane lets him do it Ilya looks up and finds Cliff shooting him two thumbs up and a massive grin. Cliff could you be fucking cool about this.
But Cliff Canāt Be. His Boy Has Found Beautiful Beautiful Love. That Is Something To Be Celebrated. Heās So Happy For Him, Rozy.
I am absolutely delighted to see your reaction to the new spiderman movie. Are we gonna see a longer review from you or nah? Personally I have not enjoyed an mcu movie this much in *years*, it felt alive in a way I don't know how to describe, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it
So Iām still Rotating and Chewing the plot in my mind so Iāll definitely have more complete thoughts later, but here is my initial knee-jerk reaction to the movie:
One writing decision that I normally wouldnāt have liked for writing Spider-Man but I loved in the context of this movie is to have Peter have no discernible source of income. They never explain where his money is coming from. Normally, I think Peterās financial struggles and how they relate to Spider-Man are a core part of his character that should be shown explicitly. Heās out here fighting for his goddamn life and trying to make the world a better place and then he goes back to a shitty fucking apartment and paying its rent is a daily source of stress and all he has in his fridge is half a can of Arizona ice tea and an expired cucumber. That is part of what makes Peter Parker so compelling as a characterāhis struggles are similar to those of so many people out there, and his efforts as spider-man come at direct cost to his life as Peter Parker. So much of that cost is shown in how he struggles to hold down a job because of the demands of his vigilantism. He is constantly on the struggle bus. That being said, I think having no discernible signs of a job was the exact right move for this movie. Because the point is that he hasnāt gotten to be Peter Parker in a very long time.
Having to hold down a job and fight for his income gives Peter something outside of spider-man. He still gets to be a real boy at work. Excising work from the plot entirely was the exact right choice for what this movie was trying to do.
At the end of no way home, Peter Parker has been erased from this reality, and Peter sets fire to his one route back to having something in his life as Peter. He chooses to not tell MJ and Ned the truth. He excises Peter Parker from his own existence. And the costs of that is perfectly continued in this movie. Peter doesnāt get to be Peter anymore. All he has left is Spider-Man. Giving him a jobāeven if itās a shitty job that he hatesāis giving him something outside of Spider-Man. I think the movie made the exact right decision in just not having anything about his income because it allowed them to cull any part of his life that still let him be Peter.
I do also want to give them credit for the decision to be completely silent on how he makes money. Giving him a random job would have harmed their message by giving him something outside of spiderman. But explaining how he was making money outside of a random job would have had inherent narrative implications that they just didnāt have the narrative space to deal with. Like. Is he getting paid to be spider-man? Have people been donating money to him? Did he sell some tech he invented and heās living off that? All of those options have narrative consequences that you would have to grapple with, and it doesnāt really come with narrative pay off. You donāt need to answer that question to tell the story youāre trying to tell, so just donāt. Let the audience draw whatever conclusions they may. You donāt have to give them the answer to every question. Answering āhow does he make moneyā does nothing to move forward the plot, so narratively, itās dead weight. So often I see writers get themselves in trouble by trying to answer Every Possible Question but they just donāt have the narrative space to deal with the implications of their answers and it fucks them over in the long run. Simply not bringing it up was the perfect move here.
I thought they did a great job at elegantly creating a sense of isolation at the beginning. Very minor moments went a long way. The little sign saying to leave the takeout at the doorāheās not even talking to the fucking delivery man. He has one neighbor recognize him enough to say āoh we live on the same floorā and he immediately moves into the attic. He has a treadmill and itās inside his apartmentāheās not going to the gym and getting outside contact that way. He doesnāt have gym friends. He doesnāt have anyone.
And they cut these moments of isolation with this constant contrast of Spider-Manās success. Spider-Manās Doing Great. Key To The Goddamn City. Everyone Loves Him. Crimeās At An All Time Low. :) NYC Loves Spidey. :)
The narrative initially invites Peter and the audience to speculate as to whether itās better to excise Peter Parker from his own life. Peter Parker is nonexistent. He has no friends, no obligations, no life. And on the surface, that is fucking great for Spider-Man. He doesnāt have to try to make it to class because he doesnāt go to school. He doesnāt have to go be there for his girlfriendās big event or his friendās birthday or his auntās dinner because he doesnāt have anything outside of spiderman anymore. Spider-Man is thriving because he no longer has to compete with Peter Parker for existence. And maybe itās better that way.
The narrative then spends the rest of the story disproving that notion. You need both. You need the humanity of Peter Parker to inform spiderman. He cannot just be one or the other. And that was so expertly outlined by his struggles with his mutating abilities, but more on that later.
At the beginning, Peter is allowed two lifelines to his identity as Peter Parker, and they are lifelines he is struggling to hold onto. He has his memory of May, and he has his memory of Ned and MJ. That is it.
There is a two second clip of the movie that I think was brilliant, and it was the fact that at one point you see a reminder on Peterās phone telling him to buy May flowers. Why does he need a reminder to do that? He seemingly doesnāt have a job competing for his time. All he has is spider-man, and that has the most flexible hours imaginable. He lives in the land of 24 hour bodegas. He could go to buy May flowers any hour of the day. Why does he feel the need to pick a specific time and set a reminder on his phone to go do something he could do whenever?
To me, that two second clip at least invites the interpretation that Peter is struggling to hang onto the few moments he still has of being Peter Parker. He is setting a reminder because otherwise he will forget. Spider-Man is consuming more and more of his life in the same way his spider dna later starts consuming his genome.
Peter is similarly struggling to hang on to his memory of MJ and Ned. He has a piece of paper in a cup that he keeps shut up in a drawer. He has Nedās Instagram and he is narratively punished for watching it. When I was watching Nedās Instagram reels I was like āoh my god did I write thoseā because the movie uses social media in the EXACT WAY THAT I WOULD
There is an extremely painful irony in every single one of Nedās Instagram videos. Ned tells MJ she canāt pretend that sheās never been more happy and sheās like āyouāre right, I canāt.ā Ned has a fucking laundry list of best friends who arenāt Peter that he made at school, couldnāt imagine this time without them. Peter cannot escape the reminder that they do not remember him, they do not miss him, they are happy without him. Every time he watches a video, he pays a price. And in the final video, MJ implicitly diminishes the idea that these videos mean anything to anyone. Who is even watching these, Ned? They are his sole remaining lifeline to the people he loves, and he cannot escape the reminder that the importance of these videos is entirely unilateral. He is clinging to videos that do not truly mean anything to the people he loves. He is reminded, once again, that his love for them is one-sided. He is never allowed to fantasize that this is real, and so he gets no unconditional relief from watching these. And so he is once again invited to let go of his life line to Peter Parker. Doesnāt it hurt to watch these? Donāt you just want to forget? Let go, let go, let go.
I donāt remember if they did this but if I could go back and watch it again Iād try and see if anyone even calls him by his own fucking name before Jean Grey does when she breaks into his apartment. He uses fake names when he goes to the party at MJ and Nedās apartment and at ESU. When was the last time anyoneās called Peter by his own name?
Iāve said this already but having the police officer earnestly tell spiderman that heād never hurt him he loves him and having Peter be like āoh. Okay.ā Was the EXACT COMEDIC BEAT I myself would hit to the point where I was sitting in the theatre wondering if I was soulmates with whoever wrote the script.
First thing I didnāt like in the movie: Peter should not have had an AI.
Marvel has this obsession with giving every tech savvy character an AI and I absolutely hate it. First, this world should be fucking allergic to AI after age of ultron. AI was restricted by the Sokovia Accords themselves, and it was the only part of the Sokovia Accords that I thought was fair. But then every two seconds they decided we needed another fucking AI. Yeah, letās only enforce the discriminatory police state bullshit out of those things. Letās not give a shit about the thing that actually caused the problem in Sokovia. Itās soooo hypocritical.
Beyond my ongoing beef with the Sokovia Accords, I think giving Peter an AI was actively detrimental to what they were trying to do here.
You want to emphasize Peterās sense of isolation in this movie. Giving him the AI gives him something to talk to. His loneliness would have been reinforced if he doesnāt even have a computer to chat with.
I do want to acknowledge the narrative benefit of having an AI. Youāre dealing with a visual media. You do not get the benefit of an internal monologue. You need to rely on dialogue to explain a characterās thoughts. Thatās a little hard to do if he has no one to fucking talk to. So I get why you have an AI character.
That being said, I think you could have remedied it by having him just talk out his thoughts aloud when heās alone. Plenty of people talk to themselves, and it would have reinforced his sense of isolation. Like. I would have had that man pulling a Wilson on Castaway in every apartment scene. Heās has to talk to himself because he has no one else to talk to. Heās talking through his thoughts aloud and then itās a hard cut to his empty apartment. He doesnāt have MJ. He doesnāt have Ned. Heās alone, heās alone, heās alone.
The AIs are just so often used by marvel to make their characters less. Why is the fucking AI figuring out why Peterās mutating? Let him do that. Showcase his intelligence. You could have gotten the same result with a five second Bella-Swan-Google-searching-vampire style montage but one gives Peterās character the benefit of making him smart enough to solve his own problems. He doesnāt need a robot to tell him whatās going on. He figured it out for himself.
I also would have made his setup/computers a little bit shittier to imply heās still got the struggle bus going on in the background. Make it look like he pulled those monitors out of a dumpster.
Iām gonna tip my hat to them on one point with respect to the AI, and thatās the fact that they didnāt give it much of a personality. It helps with the sense of isolation. I still think it would have been better to not have an AI at all, but they mitigated the damage of it by stripping it of most of its ability to give much of an illusion of companionship.
Weāre gonna get all of my initial complaints out of the way at the same time. He was way too buddy-buddy with DeWolffe (I donāt remember how to spell her name) and the police in general. Like babe you are an illegal vigilante.
Spider-Man is not a government employee. Even when the city loves him, he is an outsider. Why is he getting the same alerts as the police and why do they know heās getting those? If he has access to those, itās because he hacked their fucking systems. He should not officially be on restricted channels. Why do the police have his fucking phone number? Why are they chit-chatting on the morning commute? Why does DeWolffe know heās been getting headaches? Donāt tell them fucking weaknesses.
They were just way too familiar and it narratively harmed his sense of isolation. This is again something Iām going to give them credit for onāthey also mitigated the harm they did with this plot point. They made a point of saying that Peter doesnāt even know DeWolffeās kids names. I just think it would have been better for him to have even more space from her. Have him pull back hard from any concern or attempts to probe into whether he has any fucking life. Have him call from pay phones or burner phones. Give him more distance and itās more of a payoff when he shows heās learned her kidsā names at the end.
Iām also going to give them credit in this respectāhe is narratively punished for trusting the government as much as he did. Damage Control had weapons prepared specifically for him all along. They shouldnāt have been trusted. But this punishment is isolated to Damage Control itself, so the credit Iām giving them is limited.
The biggest thing I did not like about this movie: the one (1) line Peter had about running facial recognition across every camera in the city. That was fucking big state propaganda. That line was sponsored by goddamn Flock cameras. Fuck you fuck you fuck you
I am not joking or exaggerating in the slightest about that. That line was propaganda. This is legitimately how people have historically used art to desensitize the public to violations of their rights. Marvel specifically has a history of doing this. I bitched about this with EDITH and Iām bitching about it now.
You see a superhero with the most invasive fucking tech that violates countless human rights and itās fine :) you can trust them with it :) theyāre the good guy :) great power great responsibility etcetera etcetera :) :) and it actively desensitizes you to viewing that as a bad thing or a violation. Itās pure fucking police state propaganda.
Why the fuck did Tony stark have a fucking weaponized satellite that let him call out fucking missile strikes on people with such little oversight that a teenaged boy could call one out on another teenaged boy by fucking accident? NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. Why did he think it was okay to casually be able to search every fucking phone on the planet including the ones of people who are not even accused or suspected of doing something wrong? That kind of tech is inherently immoral. It is violative by merit of its own existence. But it is presented as fine :) you can trust them to have it :) they are the good guys :) do you really need to worry about this if you have nothing to hide :) FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART THEY ARE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE AS PROPAGANDA
There was no need to have Peter be searching every camera in the fucking city in some weird police state bullshit move. He found the Scorpion when he attacked a fucking government base. This wasnāt a āoh my god he was just barely clipped by a camera outside of a bodega and we would have had no other way of finding him were it not for our fuck off invasive camera sweeping programā it was a āyeah he SHOWED UP WITH A MECHANICAL ATTACK TAIL UNIQUE TO HIM AND STARTED STABBING PEOPLE WITH IT so itās a pretty big hint that this is the scorpion.ā They could have just had someone phone the fucking attack in. The facial recognition software line had no narrative benefit and came at the cost of Spider-Manās character. Thatās some pretty great power that he should be questioning if heās using responsibly. It was there as fucking propaganda and it was the only part of the movie that I actively hated.
That being said, thatās just like. three things off the cuff that I didnāt like, none of them related to very substantive aspects of the plot, and most of them could have been fixed with very minor script changes. My standards with writing are very high, so to like a movie this much is crazy for me.
Another minor point that I really liked was how they handled scorpion coming out of his possession. He had a very innocent confusion in how he spoke. There was something about the way he was like āwhat⦠spider-man?ā that almost sounded like he was asking Peter for help. I just loved how the actor did it because in that moment, Scorpion wasnāt genuinely the antagonist. He needed help. And he didnāt get it from Peter, because that was one of the moments where his spider hormones surged.
The entire conflict with Peter becoming more spidery was so perfectly reflective of the core message of the movie. He is losing his humanity, he is losing himself, he is losing Peter Parker, and of course he is, because he was barely hanging onto Peter Parker as it was. But he needs Peter Parker. His humanity is what makes Spider-Man good.
When he is overwhelmed by his spider aspect, his morality goes out the window. He brutalizes Scorpion. He almost kills a responding officer. He even dangles MJ off of a building. He should be much more mindful of the safety of the possessed victims when heās fighting Jean but when the spider is in charge he just isnāt.
When his hormones are surging, he also loses the ability to see Jean Grey. They give this a mechanical explanation in the movieāitās seemingly related to his sensory overloadābut I felt that this plot point was at least open to an interpretation that was reflective of the core message of the movie. Peterās losing the very human part of himself that always saw the individual that he was saving. He doesnāt see Jean anymore, just like he doesnāt see MJ when heās dangling her off the roof or scorpion beneath his possession. He is blind action and reaction. He is missing his humanity. Heās missing the part of himself that is always saw the person that needed saving. He is missing the part of him that is Peter because thatās the part of himself that heās been slowly starving to death. And he cannot truly be spiderman without that piece of him. His humanity is whatās missing.
This entire movie was a masterclass in maintaining a coherent narrative message. The narrative rewards him when he clings tighter to his lifelines. He goes to the party at MJ and Nedās and he gets his first confirmation that a part of them missed him. Ned is looking for spider-man. MJ feels like sheās meant to be waiting for something in the city. A part of them recognizes the hole he left in their lives.
They narratively reward him again during the fight with the Hulk. The solution isnāt to just Punch Harder or Fight Betterāitās to say Bruce, itās Peter. You know me. Being Peter Parker is what saved him.
The fact that MJ did not just go back to Peter when she found out was written with me specifically in mind. They are in my fucking head.
Peter makes a decision for both of them at the end of NWH, and that decision comes at cost. They cannot just reset to where they were years ago. Sheās not the same person she was back then. He is not the same person he was. She doesnāt even remember him. They canāt just go back to what they were. Maybe they could have gotten what they lost back if he had given her the choice back then, but he didnāt, and they both have to live with that.
I am not saying itās impossible for them to ever be romantically involved again. I hope they do ultimately get back together. MJ and Peter are one of my favorite romantic pairings of all time. But it just shouldnāt be as simple as āoh my god now that I know this we can erase the last few years and pretend weāre those same fucking teenagers again.ā If they want to be together, they would need to rebuild a relationship. It would require time and effort and purpose.
I love this so much because it gives MJ the dignity of being her own person. She is not just handed to Peter as the prize to the hero with all interiority hand-waved away. A real person would not just fall into some randoās arms with no issues after years apart. And it also makes it clear that the choice that Peter made for both of them at the end of the last movie comes at cost. It doesnāt just narratively walk back one of the biggest decisions from his franchise. Like oh my fucking god YES thank GOD they didnāt just get back together
Even though the romantic dimension isnāt present in their relationship, the care and compassion is still there. MJ is so human with him. She invites him up to say hi to Ned. The romantic love is missing but she still cares about him as a person.
Peter is again narratively rewarded for clinging tighter to his lifeline. He goes and he spends real time with MJ and Ned, and that is how he figures out that damage control lied to him. Itās such a coherently communicated and internally consistent message that I could cry.
I have so many good things to say about Jean Grey and her presence in this movie but I got a different ask about that already and Iām still typing it out. Weāre just gonna say that I loved it for right now and expand on that in the other ask.
Pairing him with Frank in this movie was the perfect move. Sometimes I see MCU pairings and Iām like āyou just had more movies to run out on that actorās contract huh.ā I have this entire rant about how step one to fixing the trainwreck that was doctor strange: multiverse of madness is to cut doctor strange. He had no business being in that movie. His dead weight dragged the entire film downāit should have been Scarlet Witch or America Chavez headlining that movie. But picking Frank for this was PERFECT. You needed him and his genuine isolation to foil Peterās imposed isolation. You needed that scene of him saying āyou arenāt here yet and you donāt want to be.ā He is the exact character I would have picked to be support in this movie.
I think itās obvious that I think their dynamic was perfectly drafted considering itās the dynamic I gave them four years ago in my fucking fanfic. 10/10, could not have possibly loved it more. Exactly how I always imagined them together.
The ending
Oh my god the ending
The narrative again rewards Peter for embracing his lifeline to Peter Parker. He saves Jean through his memory of May.
One of the things I hated most about the reboot is how they erased Ben from the narrative. I understand not wanting to film the same fucking origin story thatās been the subject of multiple major motion pictures, one of which was released only a few years prior, so Iām actually okay with the decision to skip the spiderman origin story in the MCU. But Ben should have haunted the narrative in the way he just didnāt. His loss shaped Spider-Manās core and yet there was next to no trace of him.
Subverting his origin story and having it be delivered through May in NWH was one of the best writing decisions in the entire MCU. I hated far from home because it felt like marvels dedication towards fucking chaining spiderman to Tony stark like Prometheus to his goddamn rock had eviscerated his comic book identity. But they returned Spider-Manās core and depth to him in NWH in no small part through May and they used her perfectly to anchor him in this movie
Peter saves Jean by inviting her into his head to āspeakā with May. And then he sits down at her side in Mayās place. He speaks to her himself. He saves her as Peter Parker. And it is as a Peter Parker who has internalized and decided to live Mayās teachings to him the same way Peter in the comics internalized and lived Benās teachings to him. It was such peak spider-man.
I WAS THE TARGET AUDIENCE OF THE DECISION TO HAVE HIM RECONNECT WITH NED AT THE END OF THAT MOVIE. Heās not showing up with flowers to chase a woman whoās already rejected him. Heās chasing platonic love. Friendship!! Y E S
In sum, I was the target audience of that movie. Whoever wrote that movie, please DM me, because I think we share a soul.
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I know people keep telling you to watch the new movie for Frank and Peterās dynamic which is fair and valid but the REAL reason you need to watch it is because of the ANTAGONIST and Peterās dynamic. Right up your alley I think youād have a great fucking time with them
absolutely shaking because marvel apparently made a movie with specifically me as the target audience
i think one reason i really enjoy throwing out reid's thing with giving shane limited telepathy so that he automatically always understands why ilya is being a dick when he is, and therefore never holds it against him or lets it affect him, is that like. when you let shane be confused and hurt about ilya's actions, but he still stays, it's such a tasty contrast to ilya's idealized, rosy-hued (and green-tinted) view of him as someone with such a perfect life and perfect family and no real problems.
like give me a shane who responds to months of ghosting + vegas 2014 by going okay. i understand. no strings attached, it's just sex, i will not make any emotional bids because he doesn't actually like me. he doesn't want to be my friend and he doesn't want to hang out or chat or anything. it's just sex. he doesn't like me. but it's good sex.
(which is why he's so thrown off guard by everything about the tuna melt situation. he's got rules in his head based on what their past relationship has been like, based on what ilya himself made clear to him in 2014, and whatever ilya is doing now is completely breaking all of those rules!!!! what is happening!!!)
but specifically i really want to see them finally talk about it and shane's just like wait. you cared about me this whole time????? what the fuck??
and ilya's like. um. yes? (a little hurt, but pretending he's not) did you. not? care about me? at all??
and shane's like what? no of course i did, i cared about you the whole time but i just thought you didn't give a shit about me until recently. like i thought you just didn't like me and only liked my body, i guess.
and ilya's just like . . . . . . . . . . you thought i saw you as, what, a sex doll? you thought i didn't like you at all, and you. you still met with me every time? you thought i didn't fucking like you or care about you even a little bit and you still let me fuck you?
and shane's like. shrug. yes?
ilya is just left gawking at him. recalibrating his mental image of shane hollander as goody-two-shoes mister perfect with one (1) dirty little secret. like actually hold on a minute. that's fucking nuts. hollander, what the FUCK is wrong with you?????
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with love. you have to fact check shit. yes you. you still have to fact check shit. a lot of people are great at fact checking stuff they donāt want to be true, but somehow are still absolute ass at fact checking stuff thatās rhetorically convenient to them. even people my age, who I KNOW grew up doing internet/bibliography literacy workshops, and being warned not to believe anything that isnāt reliably sourced, people who DO harp on fact checking conservative output or whatever, are still kneejerk sharing unsourced shit that is partially or wholly untrue or misleading, because it suits whatever narrative theyāre pursuing in that moment, without even a ātake this with a grain of saltā. fact check!!!!!! look at the sources!!!!! yes itās a drag!!! do it!!!!!
Yāall know that Iām into ancient Roman history and I do a lot of research on it but even though I should be used to it by now sometimes I read an anecdote about how an individual slave was treated and Iām hit with the realization that like a third of the population was living like that and I just need to put my head in my hands for a second
Emperor Hadrian randomly stabbed a slave in the eye in a fit of rage and he was supposedly unusually sympathetic to slaves.
Thereās other instances of people randomly punching slaves that they didnāt even know because they got in their way or something. This was just normal behavior.
And slaves didnāt rebel en masse because if even one slave committed an act of violent rebellion it was common practice to kill every slave and former slave in the household.
People only took notice for posterity when these mass executions got into the hundreds of people. One of the few recorded for the history books is of over 400 people being killed because one guy stabbed his enslaver.
Like how many people throughout history were beaten to death because some rich asshole was angry and there was no legal or social consequences for doing so? We donāt know.
When you study ancient history youāre reminded that slavery has never once been kind or justified. It just takes on different forms of evil in every time and place that it infects.
I'm going to fix everything in the next three hours everyone wish me luck. if i dont then probably ill dig a hole and lie down in it for a bit in the rain/sun/whatever outside looks like these days
there are a NUMBER of folktale Woman-Creatures like selkies who exist to make the inherently coercive nature of heterosexual marriage explicit and to externalize male anxiety about how if your wife had actual autonomy she very well might disappear and you might never fucking hear from her again
which is a FASCINATING category of Woman-Creature imo
someone said it's also a cautionary tale about mistreating your wife and I think that's spot on especially for other related types of stories e.g. the crane wife. like I think these stories are very much Husband Anxiety Stories. the Woman-Creatures are black boxes whose interior experience it is impossible to know and who have strange and often seemingly arbitrary rules that you must follow or else they will disappear. idk. like. that's why I think that any empowering-to-women-ness qualities of these stories is incidental. I think they're externalized anxiety about coercive societal heterosexuality and the inability to truly Know one's wife in such circumstances.
you also see a variant of this formula a lot (generally at the more literary end of the fairy tale space) where it's not a creature you capture, but a magical lady who picks you for seemingly arbitrary reasons, bettering your fortune enormously with her magic and wealth and second-hand status.
and then, for reasons usually at least slightly less arbitrary, fucks off again.
the husbandly anxiety here is more about not having access to coercion as an option.
was just talking to Story about this and he told me about one folktale where a guy meets a beautiful woman at a lake and she brings a bountiful dowry of like one million fat cows and such and she is of course a fairy so she's like "my one requirement in our bargain is that if you strike me three times I will leave" and in many versions of the story the husband doesn't ""actually"" strike her -- each time it's something like, one 'strike' involves her forgetting her gloves inside and he walks out and taps her on the shoulder with her gloves, but she tells him that counts as striking her. this sort of thing. which is TRANSPARENTLY like "whoa wouldn't it be fucked up if your wife could enforce consequences for behavior she said was harmful, even if according to your cultural norms it was fine, and you didn't see it as a big deal?" like... lol. what if women could actually be the ones who decided whether or not any given action their husbands took against them was harmful? IMAGINE... PREDEY SCARY....
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It's not Shane staying in Montreal, but how do you feel about "Shane sees how insulting the Ottawa offer is and goes to a different team that's actually interested in treating him like Shane fucking Hollander"?
I like it a lot better than Shane going to Ottawa on gay discount.
Having him stay in Montreal is (I think obviously, at this point) my preference. For one, I just really hate him getting forced out to begin with. I would rather force every single homophobe out and replace the entire team before making Shane walk. I also just really like Montreal as a city. Itās one of the most historically queer positive cities on the planet. I like the idea of them rallying around him.
That being said, I also really like the idea of him going to a team that treats him with the respect heās earned in his career. Three goddamn Stanley Cups should earn him a hell of a lot of respect.
And I frankly like it when Shane respects himself too.
His relationship with Ilya is just so bad and unbalanced by the end of TLG. Why is Shane just an hollow doormat? Why is Ilyaās explicit reaction to Shaneās reputation being destroyed and his friends leaving him to be happy and hopeful? Why does he repeatedly crack fucking jokes about his partner being subjected to vicious workplace discrimination?
Whenever Iām like, exploring a story avenue, I always have to ask myself what the point of the story is for me. What do I want to talk about or develop with this story? And for me, the appeal of this kind of story would be to see if Shane and Ilya were willing to recognize the weaknesses in their relationship and try to correct them.
I like it when Shane has the self respect to say āhey, the total lack of empathy and outright digs at the worst thing to ever happen to me and my career is actually very shitty. Iām going to a team that respects me. You can either start respecting me or Iāll do the same with this relationship.ā And I like it when Ilya actually respects and like, gives a shit about the wellbeing of his partner. Ilya āLoverboyā Rozanov they will never take you from me. I like the idea of them putting in the work to get better and have a strong and balanced relationship, and frankly, I think having Shane sign with a team that isnāt Ottawa would be a good wake up call as to the need for that.
It would also give him more of a chance to salvage his reputation and career than fucking canon gives him. Heās not just limping around on his hubbyās leash. Heās not just Ilyaās accessory. And you donāt get generational talents for buy-one-get-one-half-off just because theyāre gay.
If I had a like, post-TLG dream team that canāt be Montreal for Shane, Iād put him on the Admirals.
I think they aged Scott Hunter up for the show, which Iād keep and have him be hitting retirement right after tripgate. Cap space is suddenly and rapidly free, and theyāre looking for a new star center. I also just really like the Carter Vaughn that lives in my head, so itād be a way to have him be more involved with the story. Iād be happy to see Shane take the A to Carterās C or to have them rotate captaincy.
TLG becoming more and more like a cautionary tale about falling in love with the worst possible person you can and paying dearly for it.
Love cannot be worth this. Good sex cannot be worth someone who will never advocate for your individual well-being and success.
The infuriating thing for me is that HR Ilya is not at all the worst possible person to fall in love with. He's the best partner for Shane, who meets him exactly where he's at and even through their denial and fears and repression they care for each other so so deeply. He finds out shane's favourite drink and he comforts him through his panicking and he kisses him softly and he loves loves loves him. They are each other's mirrors, they're rivals and the world keep saying they are opposites but they are so so similar at the heart and they're both so scared but so brave.
TLG Ilya is someone else, someone so different he might as well be a seperate character. There is this. resentment and annoyance at shane that bleeds through his internal monologue that is further justified by the narrative as being accurate! It tells us he is in the right. It shows him mocking shane for diet and pushing away his attempts at reaching out and shooting a puck near him out of jealousy and pushing him against a wall in anger and thinking that his queer asian boyfriend does not know the dark side of hockey. And the narrative tells us this is right. This is in fact correct. This is not his depression causing him to act in erratic manners because none of these actions are challenged by the narrative!
And we get these. like. small hints of HR Ilya in TLG (him pointing out food suitable for shane's diet from the menu) and all I can think is oh my gods we could have had that. Had that instead of Ilya never comforting Shane through the absolute humiliation ritual that was the ending. Instead of Ilya offering to fuck him to his goals compilation like shane's worries are a self esteem problem rather than the very real institutional homophobia. Instead of Ilya being happy that this horrible horrible thing happened to them and it brought shane's integrity into question.