Breaking down your bullshit bc the bullshit is bullshitting <3
"love how TERFs go on and on about “TIMs” aka trans women but i have never not once seen someone do the same to trans men."
Because they're women and they don't pose an inherent threat to men like 'trans women' men do to actual women. Is it still wildly insulting that they're so brainwashed and self-hating that they look to escape their born womanhood that is as varied as anything considering it's literally just 'are you a woman?' and their presentation could be anything else? Yes. Are the entitled shit-for-brains like 'trans women' (men) trying to intimidate, harass, doxx, and assault women in women's SEX-separated spaces bc of their alleged GENDER identities? Hell no.
"i’ve seen one argument that says that trans men are simply confused girls that were brainwashed by the patriarchy. like, no?"
That's literally what is tho. Women who hate their born sex and have internalized so much bullshit surrounding this made-up concept of gender that they'd rather mutilate themselves and lie that they're men than learn to love and accept the infinite presentations of womanhood. And, again, we don't 'go after' trans men bc they need love and protection, which they're entitled to by feminists since they are women while 'trans women' (men) don't and never will <3
"your argument is that both that women don’t need to conform to the stereotypes of femininity, but then when trans women become involved suddenly not being feminine enough is a problem??"
So literacy and logic aren't your strongsuits, got it. You're so close to the answer, babes. For clarification, gender non-conformity is not the issue. A butch af lesbian is still a woman. The most masculine of intersex women (bc they're still women as intersex conditions affect men and women, they don't count as a 3rd sex) is still a woman. The issue is when women of any ilk try to label themselves as something they're not (men) to avoid an innate womanhood that presents in a myriad of ways. The only requirement to being a woman is being an adult human female. Everything else is optional. Clothes? Makeup? Long hair? Career choices? Optional. Just be a woman and you are a woman. That simple. And since humans have but 2 sexes and can't change that sex, it logically follows that men can't be women bc, ya know, duh.
"and i want to point out something else- they always define women as people with female sex organs, but they don’t seem to realize that some women simply lack them? intersex people exist, people. i’m tired of this “adult human female” bullshit."
Blatant ignorance and bullshit abound from you, huh? So intersex people are either male or female. There is no third sex. Intersex conditions exist as a 'messed up' (for lack of a better word) presentation of either male or female sex characteristics. Some of them may never produce viable gametes for their sex (sperm for men and eggs for women) but they will literally never produce the opposite gamete. Adult human female is quite literally the simplest definition to use. If it doesn't make sense to you that anyone who isn't a woman is a man and vice versa, that's user and Cult-follower error.
"and we’re just ignoring the cis women that have had their female sex organs removed for medical reasons. by your logic, they are no longer women."
I'm honestly impressed by your inability to make a single decent argument, honestly. A woman who had a hysterectomy is still a woman. Why? Because she's still female. No one brought up sex organs. We brought up female and male-ness. That means their body is designed either for the production of the larger, immotile gametes (eggs) or the smaller, motile gametes (sperm). That's literally it. They might not have the functionality but they weren't designed for the opposite so they're by default what they are. It's so easy to not get wrong and, yet, here you are...
"and don’t get me started on the statistics that they use to justify their hatred of trans women. i get that a select few of them have done horrible acts, but that’s true of every group? the vast majority of the trans women i know are lovely people who simply want to be left alone to live their lives."
Welp, if there are statistics showing that a man in a dress who claims a womanhood he cannot possess (bc it's neither a feeling nor costume to be a woman) is as violent as a normal man, if not more so, why should we ignore those stats? And even if they weren't present...they are men. And women are telling them to get the fuck out of their SEX-separated spaces. It's frankly disrespectful and predatory to assert that the men in this scenario (ya know, the ones being entitled, pushy, violent, and otherwise annoying about this shit) are the victims when women simply want to have sex-separated spaces returned to some sense of normalcy and safety. WOMEN want to live their lives. Away from men asserting themselves as something they're not and quite literally getting violent if we don't feed into their delusions. Miss me with that 'they just want to live peacefully' when they actively go out of their way to do exactly not that...
my beliefs on the matter:
- anyone can identify as whatever they wish. sex organs have no effect on any of this. male? female? dog? attack helicopter? go wild!
So that's quite frankly stupid. You can do whatever you want to your own body. Enjoy your mutilations and synthetic hormones and horrifying surgeries after horrifying surgeries. Invert that dick and enjoy the stench of a gaping wound! Idc! But to lie to someone's face and claim your genital mutilations in search of a GENDER ideal means you've changed sex or are entitled to the opposite sex's spaces/sports/conversations/healthcare/etc is fucking bonkers. It's entitlement and predation at its finest. It should not be condoned or supported, it should be treated as a crime against others.
- trans people are not inherently more likely to commit violent crimes. every group has bad apples; they are no excuse to generalize and then discriminate against trans people.
No. But there is a convenient correlation between both trans women (men) and coincidentally 'male' crimes AND, separately, in men 'finding their transness' late into life or during active trials about their sex crimes. That's no coincidence and that's not something that should be supported.
On the opposite side of that, trans men (women) should not be further indoctrinated into harming themselves chasing a stereotyped and fetishized ideal of what is one of the two largest and most varied demographics in the world (their born-sex as a female). That's intrinsically misogynistic and anti-woman.
- feminism is valid. i love and support women as much as the next person on this website. however, being a feminist is not an excuse to hate on people who are already oppressed enough as is and are trying to live their lives.
Good thing trans people aren't oppressed. They're asking for privileges and being denied. But they have nary an actual right in danger, nary an actual quantifiable oppression to speak on, and nary a leg to stand on when it comes to real oppression. You know who does? Women who historically have been told to shut up, sit down, enjoy the abuse, or die for their insubordination being subjected to a new wave of it (on top of the never-ending waves that were not solved to begin with) when 'trans women' (men) force themselves into their spaces/sports/conversations/etc. Lesbians who now face actual discrimination, violence, doxxing, abuse, and possible assault because 'trans women' (men) feel entitled to their same-sex attraction despite being obviously of the opposite sex. Black women who are now more often than not being turned into the 'gotcha' for Trans Cultists who want to justify the inclusion of men in women's spaces bc 'welp, black women are here, too.' So, honestly, fuck you for making the Trans Cult out to be the victims when actual women are being hurt both within and without your Cult.
- good men are out there, and it’s our job to foster healthy masculinity and respect. i promise you it is more productive than hating on trans people.
There's no denying that (at least from me/there are conflicting reports, lmao). That being said, trans women are men so, yeah, we'll point them out when listing the shitty things men do to women. And we're not here to foster healthy masculinity. No one should have to tell men how to be decent NOR should women be responsible for raising decent boys when men will actively undermind and undo all of that just by being men. Men are harming women at every level of society, globally, etc BUT it's certainly not helped by a Cult that doesn't respect trans men (women), blatantly hates any woman who disagrees, seeks to raise up 'trans women' (men) as the most oppressed woman, seeks to indoctrinate children, etc, etc, etc.
bottom line: trans people are just trying to exist and not making it anyone’s problem. please just let them live
I wish that were true but, alas, we both know it's not. If it were, the Trans Cult would've quietly died out when they stopped getting confused and self-hating members (and their rabid 'defenders') who would rather mutilate themselves with legalized self-harm than seek to find any form of self-love for the sex they were born as...
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