To Be Alive

"Wow. I really love both of these characters! But right now, I wish 'A' brother would see more eye to eye with 'B' brother and hear him out. But I also wish 'B' brother was being more kind and fair to 'A' brother considering the circumstances. Though, when you take all their horrible combined traumas and think about how they solve it with dry humor and alcohol and THEN pair it with both of their awful communication skills... This problem was bound to arise. Though, I'm sure the brothers will make it work. Not only because their getting on means the world can be saved again, but because they obviously really care about and LOVE one another."

If John's sons had died in the fire with Mary and John became a hunter, saved two orphan boys, and raised them like he did Sam and Dean... would you still say he's a terrible father?

I mean at that point he's basically Batman but I dont see nearly as much hate calling Bruce Wayne a terrible parent.

I think what makes the two situations different, and puts Bruce further up on the moral high ground, is that Bruce saw the robin mantle as a way to create an outlet for the pain and suffering they experienced, with the exception being Tim, of course. And even then, Tim actively chose that role, while on the flip side…

Sam and Dean did not get a choice in how they were raised. John also did not think about how raising Sam and Dean like he did would affect them. Unlike Bruce, the boys were not on the forefront of his mind, or if they were, he may have believed that getting revenge will help them just as much as he thinks it will help himself.

Now, am I the biggest John hater out there? No. Out of all the fictional dads out there, so many more outrank him in terms of shittines. However, I definitely think John can, and should be critiqued for his selfish search for revenge.

Other than Tim, idk if the bat boys really had a choice, their chance at a "normal" life was taken from them all at a young age. If John hadn't started hunting, I feel like at some point Dean would have gone searching for revenge like Dick did.

When the options are

take the shit life deals to you and not do anything about it

make sacrifices, kick some ass and be a hero

Is it really even a choice for an angry young boy?

As far as the bat boys being the forefront of Bruce's mind, I guess it depends on which storylines you read. Batman did have a tendency to treat his Robins as tools, and let the mission take priority over what was best for the boys. Control under the guise of "protection" is a common theme either way.

If John's sons had died in the fire with Mary and John became a hunter, saved two orphan boys, and raised them like he did Sam and Dean... would you still say he's a terrible father?

I mean at that point he's basically Batman but I dont see nearly as much hate calling Bruce Wayne a terrible parent.

I think what makes the two situations different, and puts Bruce further up on the moral high ground, is that Bruce saw the robin mantle as a way to create an outlet for the pain and suffering they experienced, with the exception being Tim, of course. And even then, Tim actively chose that role, while on the flip side…

Sam and Dean did not get a choice in how they were raised. John also did not think about how raising Sam and Dean like he did would affect them. Unlike Bruce, the boys were not on the forefront of his mind, or if they were, he may have believed that getting revenge will help them just as much as he thinks it will help himself.

Now, am I the biggest John hater out there? No. Out of all the fictional dads out there, so many more outrank him in terms of shittines. However, I definitely think John can, and should be critiqued for his selfish search for revenge.