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i was so naive in thinking that spirk shippers were exaggerating. what the fuck is wrong with these two.
I was gonna say it's space. But then I remembered all the other sci-fi shows and that it cannot just be space. But yet Trek is very much a continuation of the Spirk throughout its series (even the straight ships can be just as bad). So maybe it's just a Starfleet thing.
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The moment Division 12 was mentioned in the latest SNW episode I just immediately jumped to:
So, for now on, I am forever going to imagine that Starfleet Division 12 gets refered to as X-Files. I will also picture this duo or some incarnation of them throughout handling every single investigation. The best part of this being the case is that at some point in some case some version of the duo had a "it's aliens" "no, really, our interstellar spacefarring starships ran my multiple species of aliens encountered an unknown phenomenon and the answer MAY JUST BE ALIENS"
Spin this wheel twice... These are your new roommates at Starfleet Academy!
How do you feel about this?
AMAZING!!!! This is the best case scenario
Great! I like both of these people
Good.
Eh... Could be better, but it could be worse
Bad. I'm not going to enjoy this year
TERRIBLE. Someone will end up dead
I'm dropping out
other/nuance/secret whatever option
if one/both of your new roommates is a child you assume responsibility of that child
if you get the same person twice, you have to live with both of them
there's actually only one best case scenario
I had to put other because I got Picard and Porthos but that ticker was basically on the line with Q for Porthos that I have to question if that is actually Porthos. And if it is Porthos then I just got into some wild times at the academy and we got the best mascot at the Academy as well hello. However, if it's Q in hiding ..... I may still be in for some wild times but the wild times are now vastly different and somehow I am involved in Q's weird flirting with Picard.
Winter's nigh and summer's o'er Hear that high and lonesome sound Of my husband coming for To bring me home to Hadestown
I'm going to go see Hadestown again today. So .... Uh .... Sorry if I get even more into my Star Trek and Greek tragedies obsessions. But also .... Not at all sorry.
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So .... Uh .... My new obsessed obviously already intersected with Voyager for me but then my brain just went "cool, so now let's think about TNG episode "Attached" and PiCrusher" and I'm just going to go over into a corner and cry.
I've already been very Voyager and The Odyssey has similarities. But one of my latest obsessions has me going and now I am on Voyager having similarities with Orpheus and Eurydice.
Now, others may see it differently but I'm looking at Janeway and Tuvok here. I have stated before with The Odyssey that both fit to Odysseus and similar here - they both fit to Orpheus AND Eurydice. I say this for a reason, and of course for Janeway you could also just say Janeway = Orpheus and Voyager/crew = Eurydice HOWEVER not with romantic love. And really, within Voyager alone we could probably find MORE that fit as well. That being said let me get to what I'm getting at.
The story of Voyager starts out with the whole going on a dramatic path in an attempt to rescue Tuvok. The Badlands are actively discussed like a dangerous do not enter location and this is where Janeway is actively going into. She crossed the Badlands and then proceeds to get dragged across the galaxy to where Tuvok is at. It is here the journey to bring him home (the long way around this time) begins. Then, throughout the journey back we constantly see Janeway and Tuvok STOP THE JOURNEY TO TURN BACK FOR THE OTHER FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER (sometimes because they are get again having to save the other and get them to the ship). Then we get to the point of the ship having made it home but oh wait hold on .... Tuvok has lost control of his mind and barely can hold onto who he is let alone Janeway (she is the one thing holding him together still).
And what does Janeway do? That's right .... She goes on an elaborate illegal mission to cross time and space in order to drag her ship back home EARLIER than she did before. Only this time, instead of she sacrificed herself so that a version of herself manages to get home with Tuvok earlier and able to get him the cure he needs.
Was just thinking about how it could have been if they had made all that Voyager went through actually visible on the ship and crew.
Panels and tubes and all sorts of obvious replacement parts (probably traded for or scavenged from space debris) that make the ship look like you ran out of the right pieces on a lego build.
Casualties being actually addressed beyond the usual "oh fuck somebody died". Mourning being shown.
Things breaking beyond repair: "sorry, I can't fix your replicator. You can come over and use mine tho." "Yeah that light has been flickering for weeks now., just ignore it" "Oh you have to press this screen really hard for it to actually work. B'elanna said she'd take a look at it but I guess she's been busy."
People walking around with scars (forget about dermal regenerators for a bit ok?) and eyebags. Hairs greying decades before their time. Uniforms obviously mended by someone who has never held a needle before in their life.
I honestly wish we got to see this ship becoming the generational ship is was meant to become only for it to get home and not become that. It would make those moments where Ransom is all "you wouldn't understand your ships all shiny look at mine" hit so much harder as well.
Like, his line have to be different. Could be about her ship making a home of itself while his is falling apart and yet that home is covered in scars. Reminders of what all has happened to them over the year. (Random thing but there is a moment in Discovery where they get told a similar line. A "if youve been through it like we have" type thing and its honestly interesting to look at these moments in Trek).
Anyways, they could have done such simple things without having to drastically change the set or take from the shows "everything is pretty see shiny ship" that clearly dictated the magically fix Voyager after every EP. Like, just have them open up a panel and the bioneural gel pack isn't blue but a purple or something and B'Elanna having to explain it's from such and such planet they traded, helped supliment their gel pack supplies and has greatly helped her figure out repairing them better.
The officers mess (where Janeway's captains mess was at) that we see now constantly as the crew mess after Neelix got his kitchen isn't the only community area on Voyager. Like, there is enlisted mess and just lounges in general. Imagine them using that same set but to show another spot converted for movie nights or game nights.
The plants Kes started turned into a whole arboretum so that there is somewhere on the ship the crew could go an relax. Many also go and just help with the fruits and vegetables there.
Naomi not being the only kid on the ship (could be the main one we see but even just hinting at a baby in someone's arms in the background, or a toddler running around with Naomi and so on would tell us there is more) and not just when the Borg kids are present. And then this also leading to like pictures everywhere. Tuvok and Chakotay in Janeway's ready room as she has a stack on them on her desk or in a basket behind her that collects them constantly. A stuffed Flotter beside them telling us her ready room has become a place the ships children know as well as the crew.
A permanently cracked wall panel in engineering that B'Elanna knows how to use but she's yet been able to repair because every time she did in the past it got destroyed right after. Since she stopped repairing, the crew has a weird belier that it keeps them safer so she won't let anyone touch it. Its become a comfort for all those who see it.
I could go on and on but honestly for crew scars I can see how easily they could be kept at bay but it's because all the emergency kits and medical stuff is constantly a priority and if ever low certain people have become known to refuse medical (even when not low). And it's them you see marked up more. Janeway with lines on her hands from plasma burns, a scar in her, perhaps one on her neck - other marks beneath uniform that get revealed, signs of all she's gone through in the DQ. Tuvok with a line through one of his lips, plasma burns etched into his flesh, just signs of the various tortured he's undergone throughout the DQ not to mention injuries on ship. Chakotay tends to use himself as an example and go get healed up but he has a visible scar through his tattoo. Just ... Senior staff having at least one visible mark. (Tuvok and Janeway the most as they will avoid sickbay even on a good day)
All of this! I want the scars, the trinkets, the hints of a lived in, loved in, lost in, home away from home. Maybe a memorial wall to honour those that they lost from both crews - started in the first couple of weeks out there by person unknown- Maquis and Starfleet mixed together- the first sign this crew would become something other than antagonistic towards each other.
YES!
And that wall is started by Janeway in the dead of the night early in the journey when she couldn't sleep. She left a PADD beside it by accident, to exhausted to remember to grab it, and it's remained their since as people add not just to the wall but the PADD. And I have an entire HC on this now that I'll have to go record.
I want this ship lived in. I want it returned home and the Admirals coming aboard to a clean transporter room just to step into a hallwall covered in the markings of children. The scars of aliens who climbed through Voyagers corridors and threaten her crew. The holodeck explosion from "Killing Game" and the hunting through the corridors evidently there within her walls. The Admirals frozen for just a moment as Janeway simply lifts a hand as if this is normal and beckons them forward "This way Admiral, the conference room is just a few decks above us. The crew is already working repairs and we will be fully operational again before we reach dry dock".
Just ... Give me the lived in Voyager that those who first beam aboard to welcome her home have to stop in take in the horror. To contrast it with Ransom who beams aboard and sees a ship better off than his (thoroughly destroyed and barely holding on as his was his view of Voyager still makes sense "she's put together, we are held together by string" concept). Give me the Voyager that the Borg Queen looks at and would chuckle at Janeway mocking her for assimilating others just as she condemns the Borg for doing.
Was just thinking about how it could have been if they had made all that Voyager went through actually visible on the ship and crew.
Panels and tubes and all sorts of obvious replacement parts (probably traded for or scavenged from space debris) that make the ship look like you ran out of the right pieces on a lego build.
Casualties being actually addressed beyond the usual "oh fuck somebody died". Mourning being shown.
Things breaking beyond repair: "sorry, I can't fix your replicator. You can come over and use mine tho." "Yeah that light has been flickering for weeks now., just ignore it" "Oh you have to press this screen really hard for it to actually work. B'elanna said she'd take a look at it but I guess she's been busy."
People walking around with scars (forget about dermal regenerators for a bit ok?) and eyebags. Hairs greying decades before their time. Uniforms obviously mended by someone who has never held a needle before in their life.
I honestly wish we got to see this ship becoming the generational ship is was meant to become only for it to get home and not become that. It would make those moments where Ransom is all "you wouldn't understand your ships all shiny look at mine" hit so much harder as well.
Like, his line have to be different. Could be about her ship making a home of itself while his is falling apart and yet that home is covered in scars. Reminders of what all has happened to them over the year. (Random thing but there is a moment in Discovery where they get told a similar line. A "if youve been through it like we have" type thing and its honestly interesting to look at these moments in Trek).
Anyways, they could have done such simple things without having to drastically change the set or take from the shows "everything is pretty see shiny ship" that clearly dictated the magically fix Voyager after every EP. Like, just have them open up a panel and the bioneural gel pack isn't blue but a purple or something and B'Elanna having to explain it's from such and such planet they traded, helped supliment their gel pack supplies and has greatly helped her figure out repairing them better.
The officers mess (where Janeway's captains mess was at) that we see now constantly as the crew mess after Neelix got his kitchen isn't the only community area on Voyager. Like, there is enlisted mess and just lounges in general. Imagine them using that same set but to show another spot converted for movie nights or game nights.
The plants Kes started turned into a whole arboretum so that there is somewhere on the ship the crew could go an relax. Many also go and just help with the fruits and vegetables there.
Naomi not being the only kid on the ship (could be the main one we see but even just hinting at a baby in someone's arms in the background, or a toddler running around with Naomi and so on would tell us there is more) and not just when the Borg kids are present. And then this also leading to like pictures everywhere. Tuvok and Chakotay in Janeway's ready room as she has a stack on them on her desk or in a basket behind her that collects them constantly. A stuffed Flotter beside them telling us her ready room has become a place the ships children know as well as the crew.
A permanently cracked wall panel in engineering that B'Elanna knows how to use but she's yet been able to repair because every time she did in the past it got destroyed right after. Since she stopped repairing, the crew has a weird belier that it keeps them safer so she won't let anyone touch it. Its become a comfort for all those who see it.
I could go on and on but honestly for crew scars I can see how easily they could be kept at bay but it's because all the emergency kits and medical stuff is constantly a priority and if ever low certain people have become known to refuse medical (even when not low). And it's them you see marked up more. Janeway with lines on her hands from plasma burns, a scar in her, perhaps one on her neck - other marks beneath uniform that get revealed, signs of all she's gone through in the DQ. Tuvok with a line through one of his lips, plasma burns etched into his flesh, just signs of the various tortured he's undergone throughout the DQ not to mention injuries on ship. Chakotay tends to use himself as an example and go get healed up but he has a visible scar through his tattoo. Just ... Senior staff having at least one visible mark. (Tuvok and Janeway the most as they will avoid sickbay even on a good day)
#like father like son
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if i had a nickel for every trek captian that was a horse girl i'd have three nickels
Don't forget they also have a thing for the Enterprise
I wish we got to know more about Beverly’s relationship with her grandmother but I am reading so much into the little crumbs we get. Like, we get the idea in Sub Rosa that Beverly loves her very much and they were very close once, but that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. They mention that Beverly’s barely been to visit her in the last 20 years, and this lines up with Wesley not even being at the funeral - does he even know his great-grandmother? Beverly didn’t know her Nana was dating someone (and that doesn’t seem to be because of the whole ghost sex candle thing cause Beverly happily told everyone that she was dating that same ghost) and it just really seems like they’re not close.
And Felisa has a framed photo with Beverly in her starfleet uniform but how does she really feel about starfleet? Like this is a woman who was present during an undefined disaster on a federation colony, lost her child and was left to raise her orphaned grandchild, used holistic medicines to help people survive after the traditional medicines ran out, and then moved herself and her granddaughter out to what was basically a historic recreation colony. She retreated to and raised Beverly in a simulacrum of the past. How did she feel about her granddaughter leaving to join starfleet, the epitome of progress, modernisation and movement? Is that what drove a wedge between them?
Or is this just another example of Beverly’s tendency to keep the people she loves at a distance? Did she just isolate herself and stop talking to her and stop visiting because if she’s close to people then losing them will hurt more?
I would land somewhere in the middle. Like, it would make sense for Felisa to have a framed photo of her and Beverly while Beverly is in uniform if they aren't yet dealing with the distance between them. Plus, if you consider the photo could be from before Jack died. Beverly lost both her parents young, got adopted by her Nana (Felisa), and learned medicine from her. She was there on Arvada III when sickness overcame the colony and modern medicine wasn't enough. Felisa is the one - as you said - who used holistic medicine to help. Something that sparked Beverly's interest in medicine (and holistic medicine is something TNG occasionally remembers to use with her).
On Caldos II, Felisa was the local healer. We don't know the precise time the move happened but that it's likely before she went to the Academy. If Felisa, and even the colony itself, expected Beverly to follow her grandmother's footsteps and become a healer there as well .... Her leaving is the first wedge placed. And based on how "Sub Rosa" plays it out it does seem that the colony expected Beverly to become a healer within the colony while also being proud of her despite calling her out for never being around.
Then, Jack died and Beverly - who has experienced lose herself and then witnessed sickness ravage a colony in her youth - could have returned home with her young son for a mourning period. In which time she likely frequently got similar "just stay here" grief response that "Sub Rosa" gave her when her Nana died. Add to it they likely ARENT telling her about Felisa being in a weird relationship with a candle right then and you get a weird sort of middle ground.
Where the framework of disappearing is being laid down up until she is lost in her grief over Jack and just needed someone - anyone - to let her grieve but to many were trying to tell her how or where to go and it was probably just Starfleet giving a "what do you want?" Response on top of Picard gently just being there while also trying to hide himself.
I honestly think that she has a tendency as a child to remain distant by being blunt. If she's blunt no one will get to close (as we learn in "Attached" when she tells Picard a childhood memory) but Jack just took her bluntness and went "challenge accepted" and she fell in love. Bonus points his best friend was also great to be around and she had her husband and now a friend - two amazing people she had bonded with. Only to lose Jack - and in a way that friend at the same time - and shutting down and distancing is easier. If those on Caldos II were constantly acting like if she stayed then she'd not suffer again (it a helpful way but that same way people tend to be all "just come home and all will be fine") the blanks seem to start becoming clear.
I wish we got to know more about Beverly’s relationship with her grandmother but I am reading so much into the little crumbs we get. Like, we get the idea in Sub Rosa that Beverly loves her very much and they were very close once, but that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. They mention that Beverly’s barely been to visit her in the last 20 years, and this lines up with Wesley not even being at the funeral - does he even know his great-grandmother? Beverly didn’t know her Nana was dating someone (and that doesn’t seem to be because of the whole ghost sex candle thing cause Beverly happily told everyone that she was dating that same ghost) and it just really seems like they’re not close.
And Felisa has a framed photo with Beverly in her starfleet uniform but how does she really feel about starfleet? Like this is a woman who was present during an undefined disaster on a federation colony, lost her child and was left to raise her orphaned grandchild, used holistic medicines to help people survive after the traditional medicines ran out, and then moved herself and her granddaughter out to what was basically a historic recreation colony. She retreated to and raised Beverly in a simulacrum of the past. How did she feel about her granddaughter leaving to join starfleet, the epitome of progress, modernisation and movement? Is that what drove a wedge between them?
Or is this just another example of Beverly’s tendency to keep the people she loves at a distance? Did she just isolate herself and stop talking to her and stop visiting because if she’s close to people then losing them will hurt more?
I would land somewhere in the middle. Like, it would make sense for Felisa to have a framed photo of her and Beverly while Beverly is in uniform if they aren't yet dealing with the distance between them. Plus, if you consider the photo could be from before Jack died. Beverly lost both her parents young, got adopted by her Nana (Felisa), and learned medicine from her. She was there on Arvada III when sickness overcame the colony and modern medicine wasn't enough. Felisa is the one - as you said - who used holistic medicine to help. Something that sparked Beverly's interest in medicine (and holistic medicine is something TNG occasionally remembers to use with her).
On Caldos II, Felisa was the local healer. We don't know the precise time the move happened but that it's likely before she went to the Academy. If Felisa, and even the colony itself, expected Beverly to follow her grandmother's footsteps and become a healer there as well .... Her leaving is the first wedge placed. And based on how "Sub Rosa" plays it out it does seem that the colony expected Beverly to become a healer within the colony while also being proud of her despite calling her out for never being around.
Then, Jack died and Beverly - who has experienced lose herself and then witnessed sickness ravage a colony in her youth - could have returned home with her young son for a mourning period. In which time she likely frequently got similar "just stay here" grief response that "Sub Rosa" gave her when her Nana died. Add to it they likely ARENT telling her about Felisa being in a weird relationship with a candle right then and you get a weird sort of middle ground.
Where the framework of disappearing is being laid down up until she is lost in her grief over Jack and just needed someone - anyone - to let her grieve but to many were trying to tell her how or where to go and it was probably just Starfleet giving a "what do you want?" Response on top of Picard gently just being there while also trying to hide himself.
I honestly think that she has a tendency as a child to remain distant by being blunt. If she's blunt no one will get to close (as we learn in "Attached" when she tells Picard a childhood memory) but Jack just took her bluntness and went "challenge accepted" and she fell in love. Bonus points his best friend was also great to be around and she had her husband and now a friend - two amazing people she had bonded with. Only to lose Jack - and in a way that friend at the same time - and shutting down and distancing is easier. If those on Caldos II were constantly acting like if she stayed then she'd not suffer again (it a helpful way but that same way people tend to be all "just come home and all will be fine") the blanks seem to start becoming clear.
Thinking about Nahla and her son again. How when we first learn about him it's when she is telling Caleb about him. The way she talks about losing him and how she still thinks about what she could have done different as a mother. Her "I have had over 120 years to think about" right after she says that he was a Cadet at the Academy, that his class was on a ship when the burn hit. The way so much in that scenes tells us how she is - how that lose shaped her. "I would have listened, not advised" is so so similar to how she now handles the Cadets. Yes, she advises still but she LISTENS to very much and she takes in what they say BEFORE she offers them something to think about. The way that after this moment we then get her lose being used against her by Braka. The way he torments her about trauma loops and how that must be specific to HER and HER species because they have no true understanding of time. (obviously he can't be in a trauma loop because he understands time and his own trauma can't influence him right?) The way he mocks her for being the thing the Venari Ral fear because her ship - the ship she was on (and we can presume she was Captain at the time given how its phrased DESPITE this entire scene meant to be manipulation and torture for her) - got the distress call from her son's ship and did not answer. You know because during the Burn it would have been easy to answer every single distress call, not to mention if she was close enough to potentially be of help that also means she got hit probably seconds after getting the call and had to focus on her ship
And then how it the final mention of her son is during the sham of a trial that is meant to be a "real" trial. You know, the one that Nus is airing all across Venari Ral news feed (the funniest bit of it to me is it IS his news feed and HE gets revealed as what he is on THAT feed but that is something else) ... only for when she goes to talk about another lose Nus automatically assumes it will be her son and HE is the one that shuts that down. Pulling a "No one wants to hear about your dead son again" as if its been some big conversation this entire time. As if its been the only thing mentioned when in truth during the trial it was BARELY even touched before everything. The way that Nahla instead mentions the dead pilot and tells us all about him and his family. The way we watch Anisha react to that and then shift as Nahla talks about the lose of her son and how it was time that took him from her. The way we can PHYSICALLY see Anisha uncomfortable with all this - the humanization of the grief she herself is feeling and those around her clearly are - and how she coils back into her pain. The way that Nahla's son still haunts her narrative a century later because grief doesn't just go away. Not even for those who live forever.
May have missed if they ever updated Janeway on the situation in Tsunkatse but I prefer the idea that Janeway was off having a lovely time on the Delta Flyer heading back to Voyager, saw it was off-course and tracked it back to find it attacking/under attack from a giant over-armored ship and immediately joined in.
Like just straight up arrived, found a battle, and started shooting. No need for explanations, it's Voyager vs. some guy, let's fucking go!!!
They do and its hilarious honestly. Like, she is still actively at the planet she was visiting when she gets the call and is just like "Welp time to go" and rushes back to help Voyager. She has CREW with her, meaning she would have beamed them up promptly. Chakotay called her up all "So Tuvok and Seven have been kidnapped" and Janeway went "max warp lets go" some poor crew had to remind her she's in a shuttle and they cannot go as fast as Voyager and she DID NOT CARE. It's why they end up meeting up mid battle probably too. Janeway could not go fast enough to meet up before the battle and instead shows up half way through - the crew that went with her bug eyed and horrified because they've been stuck on other decks and never see this side of Janeway in person - guns blazing 2/3 of her favs.
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Having SFA go from "horrible very bad trauma" episode to "and now everyone goes on vacation" reminds me of that time Picard got assimilated by the Borg and Trek followed it up with "eh just take some shore leave and visit family that solves the trauma" only for it NOT TO SOLVE THE TRAUMA. Like it helped but trauma not solved (as Trek also made very clear at later points).
And the of course SFA went with the immediate next ep being "oh look vaca is not a magical cure all, the Cadets are struggling what if we do something - even if a bit weird - to try to help because even counseling seems to be a struggle right now"
And I honestly love that they do that. And that the weird is sticking the kids in a play.
And as someone that runs a theater camp, it's crazy cuz like... that shit actually can help. I love getting to be the Nahla Ake of my program and theater my teenagers through their shit
Oh it really does and I love that its the "weird" plan that Nahla is taking. Also that we get the moment with the kids after Tilly is all "Captains use this all the time" where they are like "yeah lol no what Captain would" and my IMMEDIATE first thought is "Have you met Picard?"
Like, they are all in so much doubt and largely because they probably haven't gotten into the deep history classes yet that discuss how this stuff helps. But I just need them to learn about how Beverly Crusher was running a constant theatre on the Enterprise and Picard was quoting Shakespeare to the point that Q had to mock him for it. It's also very fitting that Trek does this as many are watching Trek as a means of escapism and as a result it helps them deal with and figure out how to handle the world around them. Having the show itself say "hey, using plays and theatre as a means to understand your emotions is NORMAL and OKAY" is such a powerful thing to present
But ultimately, I just love that Trek is at the point where they give their characters trauma and then go "okay let's actually address it" (even if not perfectly). It's no more just "haha one ep to handle it then never/rarely mention again" - like we KNOW Picard has PTSD, that Janeway struggles with depression, Sisko survivors guilt, etc etc etc .... and I do love that 90s Trek didn't show it as running their lives but the "only bring it up when plot needs it" is a bit of a downfall. The new shows have had characters actively display stuff over episodes and deal with it as well over episodes. It's never just magically fixed, and even this episode within SFA is meant to be the START of letting the healing happen (and while we dont actively see it continue that is largely due to SFA having time skips)
I NEED a scene where Tuvok finally gets home to his wife and they have the ‘Would You Fall in Love With Me Again’ moment from Epic the musical. Where they’re fully stoic faced, only barely revealing a little of the intense emotion they’re restraining deep within them while they sing the most gut wrenching and romantic lines known to man.
I just need it ok.
Same, also because "Qual se tu?" is Vulcan for "Is it you" which is the FIRST thing Penelope says in that song when Odysseus is before her and while I know Vulcans have mental connections - especially between those who are bonded, which is typically family members and/or friends - I can just picture Tuvok finally before T'Pel and saying her name and she just turns to look at him all "Qual se tu?" (https://www.starbase-10.de/vld/ -- source for Vulcan Language stuff by the way) Anyways, I need a lot of Voyager stuff to EPIC the Musical honestly. I mean, Janeway just calling up Starfleet Headquarters after busrting out of a Borg Sphere all "hello" and they are there like "uh is it you?" is also weirdly fitting to the above song but more in the sense of Janeway asking if Starfleet would accept her as one of their own after all that she has had to do to get her crew back to them.
