kite archive

I'm just—

A few red flags go up when you're asked to pay $3/month to just "enjoy the company of other fans" on a fandom server. More red flags go up when you're asked to pay $10/month to gain "second-level access". A what-the-fuckton of red flags go up when a perk for $100/month is access to a higher entry level that’s described as a “quieter” place to “hang out“ and “post memes.” And there's an entire factory's worth of red flags when your reward for paying $250/month is access to "every entry level" of a server that's been touted as transparent.

On the $100 (good lord) tier, Occamshipper promises an advanced clearance (???) level to POLOL to post memes and do nothing of import. They call it "our safe place," so I guess they're selling access to not only their own safe place but the safe place of others who (I'm assuming) got in without a price tag attached?

A lot of the criticism of my earlier post from Occamshipper’s followers was about how I characterized them as putting themselves on a pedestal and positioning themselves as a leader to be followed. I was told this was untrue. People follow them because they’re liked, but they don’t agree that they’re all that important. They said that things like POLOL, the CW movement, and other fixtures were communal efforts with no real leaders. 

But, bruh. They’ve put a price on hanging out with them.

The reality of what happened around the finale is a whole ass clusterfuck, and occamshipper can’t be blamed for inciting it all. They were just the most opportunistic of the bunch

Thanks for letting me know! I’ll make a note on my post. My last post about occamshipper was December 28th, and my big post (posted on December 8th) was circulated around by him and his friend group who mocked it for a lot of things, but not misgendering. I linked one or two of his friends' tweets from around the 7th-8th as well and they also used the other pronouns. I don’t know when he announced that change, but it wasn’t my knowledge until now.

Yes, unfortunately, I did see that. I’m still tracking down the info on this, but here’s a rundown of what I’ve got so far:

luxshine, who arranged this panel, is in occamshipper’s/POLOL’s periphery (for how long? who knows. as long as she’s been useful prob). Here’s an excerpt of some relevant bits from the panel:

ADA (TRANSLATOR): Yes – [switching to Spanish to ask Guillermo] You’re breaking the Internet one more time. They’re asking whether the original script said something about Dean’s feelings for Cas–

GUILLERMO: No, never [Shaking his head]

ADA (TRANSLATOR): –or was it all added by the director, by [Adrian] Fogarty?

GUILLERMO: [Spanish] No, no, no, so the script, the original script we never had any indication that would tell you he was in love or that he reciprocated or that he knew, no, not at all. Really that phrase is what wrapped up the entire series.

(from this post. emphasis OP’s)

tl;dr There was no reciprocation from Dean in the original script. Adrian Fogarty (the dubbing director) added it in because he felt it fit the story.  Straightforward, right?

Well, straightforward = yes. What people wanted to hear = no. 

So, luxshine (and occamshipper) is on a mission to contact Adrian Fogarty to get the right (read: desired) answer. In the panel, Guillermo mentioned the “original script” had “yo también” in it that was then changed to “y yo a ti” to better match the character’s lip movements. 

INTERVIEWER “Do you know what Dean said in the original script before Fogarty got his hands on it?”

“Yes, of course. It made allusions to that. (Fogarty) made the right translation. It said and so do I or me too or something like that. It said it in the (original) script.

(from this post)

He didn’t specify which script was “the original script”, but seeing as he specifically mentioned the original script “never had any indication that would tell you he was in love or that he reciprocated or that he knew”, you can logically assume he was talking about their translation of the script, not the OG Dabb script.

luxshine wants you to know this isn’t about proving some big CW conspiracy (it just looks like a conspiracy, she says), but she is speculating wildly that there could possibly be an audio version where Jensen ad-libbed a “Me too” out there as the original-original script also doesn’t include a textual “Me too.” If you want to believe, this might sound plausible enough, but remember: Misha already pointed toward a rogue translation as an explanation (and was called a liar) + we know Jensen’s reactions were cut; he’s never said lines were cut. 

As for “Me too” audio rumor, the same transcript I quoted above has this bit directly after:

INTERVIEWER: “When you heard the english version while you recorded yours, did you hear Dean say I love you too?”

MEMO: “No. If I would have, I would have taken the earphone out and gone what the fuck? *laughs*”

(emphasis mine)

But how could a dubbing director fundamentally change the meaning of a scene? Lack of quality control:

INTERVIEWER “Do you know if Supernatural has a quality review for the dubbing through Warner Bros?” MEMO: “I would be lying to you if I said yes, but I have been working for WB (LatAM) for many years as both an actor and director. And there is some specific material where they do have “filters”, but with something like supernatural I doubt it. I would assume the one left in charge of all decisions was our director (Fogarty).”

With all that, we can say the quest to prove there is audio of Jensen ad-libbing a “Me too” somewhere is a doomed one. Plus, she’s already conceded that the original-original script had no reciprocity. Then why are they dragging his out?

I don’t want to speculate too much about luxshine’s side of things, but I’m pretty sure occamshipper is clinging to this because 1) not having this conspiracy means she’s not relevant anymore, and 2) she doesn’t want to admit to being wrong. If she admits she was wrong about this people might start looking at her other unfulfilled promises.