Imagine Satan popped up at the end of S2, offered Crowley a job over an innocent cup of tea. Some vague threats over the soft angel he’s been spending too much time around. And how they could easily make him suffer. Unless perhaps Aziraphale wanted to offer his brains for a good cause. The next war. Why won’t Crowley suggest this perhaps.
Crowley asks Aziraphale to help him. Stop them. Begs him. Says he needs him.
But Aziraphale says there’s no point. Heaven and Hell can’t change. It’s the divine plan. And walks away from him. Then turns back from the door and grabs Crowley by the lapels and kisses him. Expecting Crowley to change his mind. Leaves.
But Crowley decides to go, determined to try and avoid the next disaster. And he does. He works hard in the disgusting place he despises to avoid another war while Aziraphale back on Earth spirals, loses the shop to mafia, sleeps next to Crowley’s car that’s gathering dust.
3 years laters Crowley shows up, looking for lost Eric or somebody and comes across Aziraphale. Dirty and drunk, asleep in alley. Oh but first Mrs Sandwich stops and gives Crowley shit about the whole street falling apart because of him.
Aziraphale tells Crowley to fuck off. He has been abandoned after all. And he’s terribly drunk.
...
Crowley of course immediately scoops Aziraphale into his arms and apologises profusely for being away for so long and leaving him.
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Where was and is all the hate for Aziraphale coming from?
Why are there so many fanworks and posts (that people are still reblogging and making too) where Aziraphale is always the one making amends. Often on his knees and crying and admitting he was/is wrong. Being scorned by Crowley because Crowley was 'hurt'.
Well, wasn't Aziraphale hurt?
Why is it ALWAYS Aziraphale who has to do something? Why is it never Crowley going to tell Azirphale he was wrong and he wants to try? Help? Apologise?
I just don't understand.
Our divorced parents - sure, but you are all siding with the drinking, gambling dad who just about saved the house by losing the car while the mum went to work a million jobs and almost lost her mind trying to keep the world from falling apart.
Oh but she went to work for the employer she knows is bad? Well - would the alternative be better? Eternity in torment? Because that’s what they were going to do to us. To them. To everyone.
One thing I adore about Terry's books is how nothing is perfect and our fav characters make the best of what they are given. Revolutions might be revolving but Sam Vimes keeps going anyway. He does not give up. And the world does get better. Because he tries.
Yes. S3 betrayed us but however stupid the finale and that end was, it was still better than what would have happened if Aziraphale just went off with Crowley like Gabe and Beez did.
S3 tried their best to frame Crowley as the tragic hero. But for me the hero is Aziraphale. For his selflessness. His love. And bravery.
I actually kind of hate the, "they're part of the big bang. They make up the universe. They're in everything now" copium because like... you do understand something similar happens when we die, yes? When we die, we go into the earth, worms and bugs eat us, and we become the dirt and the grass and the trees. It might be poetic in theory, but if I get hit by a bus today, my loved ones aren't gonna be like, "omg she became the Earth. What a perfect ending! ❤️❤️❤️" Like no, that's literally just what it means to be dead.
Yeah ok so maybe I read this fic by @kneelbeforeyourdogbabylon where the ineffables meet at a clandestine ladies club in the 1800s and maybe I felt some kinda way about it and maybe I drew it ok?
Well, I've read Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice."
I must say, I really enjoyed the book. Jane's portrayal of female character, she doesn't focus heavily on the romantic storyline (but it's influenced by other events that are equally important and unrelated to the romantic plot, but still contribute to the themes the author wants to convey), making the reading experience truly captivating. The love story is beautifully crafted. Both Elizabeth and Darcy are portrayed as equally right and wrong. They are human, so they made mistakes, but they later acknowledged them, albeit not without inflicting wounds on each other beforehand. I really enjoyed their conversations in the last three chapters, where they clarify everything that happened between them in more detail, and Elizabeth acknowledges that they both made mistakes.
Anyway. I tend to think that the argument between Aziracrow at the end of season 2 is obviously an allusion to the argument between Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy at Mrs. Collins’s house, Charlotte’s house, that is (I think that’s where it happened, if I remember correctly). It’s based on a misunderstanding, and it causes both of them a great deal of pain. Mr. Darcy also paces back and forth, just like Crowley does. They part on a fairly painful note.
But because Mr. Darcy’s feelings were stronger than his anger over the whole situation (although, for the most part, he was obviously angry at Wickham), and because he genuinely wanted to clear everything up, dispel Elizabeth’s prejudices, and tell her the whole truth, he comes back and gives her a letter in which he explains everything as it really was. He admits that he should have told her everything on the night of their argument, but that he was too emotional to do so at the time.
He also entrusts her with extremely personal information, such as his sister’s elopement with Wickham. As far as I understand, this was genuinely a very intimate gesture on his part, since apart from his cousin and the people directly involved in the incident, no one else knew about it.
The events that follow ultimately resolve all the misunderstandings between them, which I could talk about for quite a while. But the most important part I want to emphasize is the conversation between Elizabeth and Darcy, in which they clearly and directly explain to each other what motives and feelings led them to act or speak the way they did, who was right and who was wrong, and where they had both messed up.
My point is this: since Good Omens placed such a strong emphasis on this novel in season 2 and showed an argument that, in its essence, resembles the argument between the protagonists of that novel, a misunderstanding that they later resolve through an honest and sensible conversation (and Good Omens also emphasized the importance of such a conversation through Nina and Maggie and their conversation with Crowley), then, obviously, the misunderstanding between Aziraphale and Crowley was supposed to be resolved in exactly the same way, or at least in a similar one!
Also, again, Darcy and Elizabeth are presented as both being equally right and wrong, there is a balance between them. How difficult would it have been to maintain that same balance with Aziracrow?Why did they need to make Crowley the only one who was in the right?
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Maybe the universe had to die because how could Crowley even explain leaving Aziraphale on his own? Leaving him with the Archangels who wanted to kill him?
After everything he said?
Yes. Absolutely yes. How many times do we see the other angels judging him, considering him "weird" and different?
He has special interests that he obsesses over and gets very, very excited about (books, food, magic tricks, etc).
He masks CONSTANTLY. He feels the need to put on a more "socially acceptable" facade in front of most people (the other angels especially), to diminish and minimize the quirkier aspects of his personality so that he won't be mocked or looked down on.
But the one person he can truly be HIMSELF with, the one who he feels safe with, is Crowley. Crowley might poke gentle fun at him sometimes, but he never makes him feel unworthy or like he needs to pretend to be someone else.
It's one of my favorite elements of the 1941 flashback in S2. Aziraphale is bubbling over with SO mucn excitement about his magic show. And Crowley COULD mock him, could roll his eyes and tell him to stop embarrassing himself.
But he doesn't. He encourages him, helps him, lets him have his fun. Because I think he absolutely LOVES how silly and quirky and fun his angel can be, when he lets his guard down.
It's much the same concept as Crowley taking off his sunglasses in the bookshop. They can be true to themselves around each other, in ways they can't around anyone else.
(Also i sometimes think the emptiness and stark bright whiteness of heaven is overstimulating and stressful to Aziraphale, though he feels uncomfortable admitting that.)
One thing I absolutely love is that Aziraphale almost always keeps his hands behind his back when he's talking to the other angels in Heaven. (The main exception is when he's lying to them, then he suddenly starts gesturing far more than usual, almost unnaturally so, even by his own standards.) But around Crowley, he doesn't seem embarrassed by his very expressive hand gestures, his "strange" mannerisms, or any of the other little things that make him who he is.
He knows Crowley accepts him exactly as he is. Even when Crowley grumbles about Aziraphale wanting to perform as a magician at Warlock's birthday party in Season 1, I've always felt that his irritation comes more from how stressed he is about the whole Antichrist situation. He thinks something has gone terribly wrong and that there's a very real chance they're going to lose.
I'm not even sure whether this would count as stimming, but I've always wondered if the way Aziraphale is constantly rubbing his fingers together could be seen as a form of self-regulation.
And, God... poor Aziraphale having to spend three years back in that Hell disguised as Heaven. I would've died from sensory overload alone with how overwhelmingly bright everything is
I'm in LOVE with the way they can be true with each other, to be who they are without hiding. Crowley wears his sunglasses even among demons, but not around Aziraphale when they are alone in the bookshop!
On the matter of tags: an earnest attempt to communicate
As a random member of the Good Omens fandom community, I’d just like to toss my hat into the ring and attempt to clear up some misunderstandings. I also want to encourage some honest, good-faith dialogue in a severely fractured fandom.
This is not an attempt to convince anyone to interpret the finale a specific way. This is a practical conversation about how we discuss the finale in fan spaces.
For the purposes of this discussion, I will be focusing on tags as they are used on social media platforms like Tumblr, Twitter, Bluesky, and Instagram. AO3 tagging is considerable more complex and warrants a whole convo in its own right, so I won't focus on that here.
THIS POST INCLUDES DISCUSSION OF SUICIDE.
So, tags. Tags have become a thorny issue in the Good Omens fandom. I suspect this issue is so pertinent now, two months after the finale aired, because most of us have dropped “GO3 spoilers” tags, which people would have been filtering out if they did not wish to see anything from the finale. The finale is no longer a fresh commodity, so we are all trying to determine for ourselves what the next phase of our engagement with fandom will look like.
In fandom spaces, tags are a courtesy. No one can force anyone to use tags, of course. But tagging is a long-running standard of fandom etiquette across multiple online platforms. Tags are tools that help us find or filter out specific content. But what happens when we disagree on what tags should even be used in the first place? When tags themselves are a battleground?
I have seen assumptions that finale dislikers are demanding that all content with Asa Fell and Professor Anthony Crowley be tagged with “suicide.” It's possible that I’ve missed some significant conversations, but as someone on the disliker side, I have not seen anyone demand that Asanthony shippers use a "suicide" tag on all their posts featuring Asanthony. If anyone has asked that, I agree that it would be unreasonable! But I strongly suspect this perception comes from a game of fandom telephone in which different conversations are being conflated.
What IS being asked:
All content featuring Asa and Anthony should be tagged with their names or their ship name, Asanthony.
The "ineffable husbands" ship name should not be used for Asanthony.
Content warnings are strongly encouraged when sharing visuals of the scene where God grants Crowley and Aziraphale’s request to be removed from existence, specifically the moments as they disintegrate, as this decision is interpreted by many fans as a suicide.
Let’s address that first point now.
Tagging Asanthony as "Asanthony" makes sense. I think most people are already doing this. If you’re not doing this, well… I strongly advise you to reconsider. Tags aren’t just for those filtering out content, but for those seeking it. Someone who doesn’t want to see Asanthony can use this tool to avoid them, and someone who is specifically seeking out Asanthony content can use the tag to find them and share some appreciation.
Where we have some disagreement is the second point listed above: whether Asanthony deserve to be tagged with the general “ineffable husbands” ship name as well. I don’t think we’re ever going to agree on this one. Some people do see them as the same ship, and others do not. Personally I’m someone who does not see Asanthony as "ineffable," but I am okay to concede on someone using the general ship tag for them, as it really does boil down to one's own interpretation. In my view, so long as "Asanthony" is also used, tag them as you see fit.
Now for the third point. This is where I'll be talking about suicide.
Suicide is obviously an incredibly sensitive and distressing subject, one that is highly likely to carry a personal resonance for many fans on all sides of the GO3 debate. I understand why people are upset to have to bring this subject up in their tags when they do not see the final scene that way.
But if you do find it upsetting to even consider using that tag... that means you agree that this topic is distressing, yes? The ineffables' decision was genuinely genuinely distressing for people who interpreted their choice as a suicide. I am pleading with you to understand this: there are members of our community who struggle with suicide ideation, and that scene genuinely triggered some of these people.
You don’t like to see this tag imposed. Well, others don’t like to suddenly come across visuals that in their view shows a suicide. Not seeing Crowley and Aziraphale's decision as a suicide is just as much an interpretation as seeing it as a suicide is.
We will never agree on our interpretations of Crowley and Aziraphale's final request to God and how it played out. The fact remains that the scene where they make this choice and it is granted is triggering to a significant portion of the fandom. This is not a niche opinion.
We won't be able to reconcile our views on this. But we do have to share fandom spaces together. Blocking others who have a different approach to discussing this scene is always an option. But maybe we can also attempt to reach a middle ground in the form of a tag.
I have chatted with others about this, and an idea I have seen discussed is for the fandom to come up with a neutral term for the scene where God grants Crowley and Aziraphale's request, akin to how we settled on “the Final Fifteen” for the last fifteen minutes of season 2. This term should not favour one interpretation over another.
Some suggestions:
The Final Half Hour (or… the Final Twenty? How long is this scene? Anyone clocked it?)
The Decision
We’ve Come to a Decision (WCTOAD? Well, I do like toads)
Please chime in if you have other suggestions!
Like I said at the top, no one can force anyone to use tags. This is ultimately down to one's own discretion.
But I think it's fair to say that our fandom is currently in crisis. The community has fractured — or perhaps it is simply going through some very nasty growing pains. Maybe we can grow with it.
We will never be in a place where we all agree on GO3’s choices. Right now, we are all figuring out how we want to navigate this story and fandom we have all come to love. However we feel about the finale, we are all trying to find new ways forward.
We can argue about who’s right. We can block as we see fit. We can tag or not tag according to our own interpretation to make a point.
We can also decide to make productive choices that will help us all navigate our fandom spaces moving forward. Above all else, we can choose to be kind.
If you've read this far, thank you for hearing me out.
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It's two months since they hurt my angel. With a story that makes no sense to me. Full of storylines that lead nowhere and are completely unsatisfying.
This angel who left his home and tried his best to avoid a terrible eternity for his loved one and all humans, received nothing in turn but insults and shaming from everyone.
And then the story ends with him gone because his universe is said to be unfixable. I'll never believe that. I don't want to give up. He never wanted to give up either. Why did they do this to him?
He deserved retirement and peace and love and safety.
And angels and demons deserved to be freed from pointless Heaven/Hell system too.
It's a big universe! They don't even really exist in it. They could have gone off to do whatever, wherever.
Nobody would mind if there was a village in South Downs with perpetually nicer weather than anywhere else.
I just wanted Aziraphale to be happy and loved as himself. That's it. I don't see why that was asking too much of Good Omens 3. I wanted him to finally get to live freely and happily with his beloved as he deserved. He fought like mad to do the right thing, and he earned his happily ever after.
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Crowley who asked to go off together to alpha centauri when the world was ending, Crowley "tell me you said no" when the world was ending again, but was fine with staying there when the world truly ending? I don't buy it. He wouldn't let that happen to Aziraphale, he wouldn't let him die like that
