The Kuration

Jeffrey Earp

12ja20  -  2020

12ja20  -  2020

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Don't lie in order to defend the idea that Israel is a thing that absolutely must exist. It's fine that you believe that idea, but what's getting irksome is this underlying insistence that "Israel must exist" is an obvious conclusion to the region's problems and anyone who has a modicum of moral fiber in their soul can clearly see that. Your religion isn't true to the people who aren't you. I do not recognize the Jews as a chosen, special sort of people and I shouldn't be expected to. And, yes, I can tell when it's expected because they'll get annoyed when I mention the Canaanites. Yeah, I've seen the eye-rolls, the "history's a complex mess so I'm justified in picking and choosing what events humanity should give a shit about based on how recent they are and how much the directly affect MY culture" bullshit, the accusations of antisemitism despite the fact that I would be completely fine with the existence of Israel if the people who made it didn't, well, slaughter the families of Canaanites in order to do so. Also, Israel isn't a person or a type of person, it's a state, it's completely fine to hate and isn't synonymous with hating Jews. If you think that it is, I'm going to remind you that people who aren't Jewish exist and they don't need to necessarily have the values Jews want them to in order to good people.

If the foundation of your state is built on moving into land that isn't yours and erasing the people that your god doesn't want there, it's completely reasonable to expect that other states might just return that favor in kind. After all, you set the precedent, right? And then constantly referred to it in your holy texts like it was the best, most necessary thing that ever needed to happen. That kind of zeal certainly won't spread.

Oh boy, I'm going to say it. I think that all of the states that have ever engaged in and justified (I'm going to say it) genocidal behavior aren't really... y'know worth defending? Worth giving a shit about? And yeah, saying "God needed us to do it! We are the chosen people! HOLY LAND!" is a shitty justification. Objectively shitty. Jewish people aren't the chosen people to anyone else besides other Jewish people. Nothing really wrong with that, but... nothing really that right with it either. It kinda cancels itself out.

Long ask, I know. Whatever. Stop lying. The Canaanites were there before the Jews. The Jews killed them all then called the land they stole from them "Israel". See? There are perfectly good reasons to hate Israel that have nothing to do with Palestine.

C'mon, the Americas had fucking slavery. England tried to take over the world. Hell, Germany tried to kill all of you! Israel is another shitty place. It isn't special.

I vow to ignore Israel from now on, achieving everlasting peace and making the entire Middle East envious of me.

Oh, and to be absolutely clear in the most awkward manner possible, I don't hate the Jews. I just find their bullshit to be really fucking annoying.

If the Jews killed them all, how is it that their DNA is still dominant in modern day Jews (plus Palestinians and other populations of Levant)?

The truth is that both Jews and Palestinians were part of the same people at some point in time, who also mixed with Canaanites and settled in the region that is modern day Israel+Levant. And Canaanites' ancestors had actually arrived in that region from further East.

So by your logic, then, even the Canaanites weren't the natives of that land.

(There may have been tribal wars, as was common in that era, but it's pretty clear that no one wiped out anyone.)

We can keep going back in time to disprove the indigeneity of people till we arrive in Africa. Which is kind of moronic, TBH.

Personally, I'm not denying the indigeneity of either Jews or Palestinians. Only you are trying to justify your hatred for Jews and denying that they have a right to live in their homeland. Just by saying that you don't hate Jews doesn't veil your anti-semitism.

Both Jews and Palestinians deserve to live there. A two state solution is one way for it. Terrorism by Hamas isn't.

Furthermore, if you know your history (which I'm having doubts about), you know that Jews were persecuted and driven out of almost all the countries and kingdoms they had moved to over the centuries. There were Jews in the Middle Eastern countries, African countries, Europe, etc.. Tell me what happened to them. If you can't, you don't understand why Jews wanted a country of their own, in their native homeland.

With the exception of India, they were either killed, forcefully converted, or driven out of these countries at some point in time. The Holocaust is just one such instance over the centuries, and it was a big deal. The present day rising anti-semitism only strengthens their belief that they're never fully accepted in other places. Hence their need for self determination and separate state of their own (which they already have, btw).

Also, I know you didn't bother to check before coming in my inbox to spew venom, but I'm not Jewish. I'm not even from that region. But I understand what it means to have a history that's full of massacres and genocide of my people.

why are you a zionist? what makes you think the land that israel’s only had fit 75 years justifies Another destroyed people

You're on anon, claiming to be Jewish. How am I to know if it's actually true, because a lot of people with ulterior motives have been impersonating Jews online to push their agendas. I'm within my rights to be suspicious of you, because you're using the lingo that's very similar to those people. Especially the way you try to state that Jews have only been that region for some 75 years, when actually they're the native people of that region.

A Jewish person would not deny their own history like that.

If they are attempting to argue that the state of Israel has only existed for 75 years, then I'd like them to point to the time there was an independent Palestinian state between Roman conquest and British Mandate. Any claim made on the basis of statehood would apply as much to Palestinians as to Israel, more so when you consider that they were occupied by Jordan and Egypt.

So, why do people have a problem with the Jewish population of Israel? Well, you tend come across as a callous pile of double standards when you suggest that what the Palestinians are doing (attempting to eradicate the Jews from a region of land because Allah wants that) is definitely, undeniably atrocious, but what your ancestors did (successfully eradicated the Canaanites from that very same region of land because Yahweh wanted that) is just something that needed to happen and is actually quite a good thing if you really think about it. :-)

This is why the existence of Israel is a problem. It always was a problem from its conception and the modern issue of the existence of Palestine is one fucking distracting red herring. Yes, the Jews were there before the Muslims. I'm not questioning that. I mean, Israel was there before the Muslims, so that's kinda obvious. However, it is also a fact that the Canaanites were there before the Jews. The reason why we don't hear from the Canaanites about this is because THE JEWS FUCKING KILLED THEM ALL. THE EARLY JEWS COMMITED GENOCIDE IN ORDER TO TAKE THE LAND OF CANAAN FOR THEMSELVES. THIS IS HOW "ISRAEL" BEGAN AND NO ONE WHO ISN'T JEWISH IS MENTIONING THIS BECAUSE, LET'S FACE IT, THEY FEEL SORRY FOR THE JEWS BECAUSE OF MORE RECENT EVENTS LIKE THE HOLOCAUST AND THEY LIKE JEWS BETTER THAN MUSLIMS ANYWAY.

Again, it's just so funny to me that if you ask people "Does Israel fundamentally have the right to exist?", people will answer with "Of course, the Jews have been there a very long time," as if we live in a bizarro world where "Does Israel fundamentally have the right to exist?" and "Have Jews lived in Israel for a very long time?" are the same question. It's almost like people are conflating the original formation of Israel thousands of years ago with the recent regional conflict in order to coerce people onto their side.

The modern state of Palestine, headed by Hamas, has as much right to the land as Israel, which is to say that neither of them really have that right. Both of them go about getting land by murdering the people already living there. The early Jews started doing this in order to form Israel, currently Palestinian Muslims are attempting to do this in order to form Palestine. Both Jewish and Muslim culture have arrived at the conclusion that genocide gives you the right to live somewhere as long as you believe God approved it. For some reason, a lot of people, even people who aren't Jewish, have arrived at the conclusion that the Jews are right to believe that and that the Muslims are wrong to believe that. Why? Because they like Jews more than Muslims, probably because without Jews they wouldn't have Christianity. Or because they are just hypocrites.

Stop it with the double standards and lies. The Jews were not "the native people of that region" and even they admit it. They killed the natives in order to form Israel. If it's alright for Jews to do it, why isn't it alright for anyone else?

I know you're the Anon who sent me that last vitriolic ask. I've given you a reply there as well.

Stop stalking my posts and reblogging with the same tired bs.

why are you a zionist? what makes you think the land that israel’s only had fit 75 years justifies Another destroyed people

You're on anon, claiming to be Jewish. How am I to know if it's actually true, because a lot of people with ulterior motives have been impersonating Jews online to push their agendas. I'm within my rights to be suspicious of you, because you're using the lingo that's very similar to those people. Especially the way you try to state that Jews have only been that region for some 75 years, when actually they're the native people of that region.

A Jewish person would not deny their own history like that.

If they are attempting to argue that the state of Israel has only existed for 75 years, then I'd like them to point to the time there was an independent Palestinian state between Roman conquest and British Mandate. Any claim made on the basis of statehood would apply as much to Palestinians as to Israel, more so when you consider that they were occupied by Jordan and Egypt.

So, why do people have a problem with the Jewish population of Israel? Well, you tend come across as a callous pile of double standards when you suggest that what the Palestinians are doing (attempting to eradicate the Jews from a region of land because Allah wants that) is definitely, undeniably atrocious, but what your ancestors did (successfully eradicated the Canaanites from that very same region of land because Yahweh wanted that) is just something that needed to happen and is actually quite a good thing if you really think about it. :-)

This is why the existence of Israel is a problem. It always was a problem from its conception and the modern issue of the existence of Palestine is one fucking distracting red herring. Yes, the Jews were there before the Muslims. I'm not questioning that. I mean, Israel was there before the Muslims, so that's kinda obvious. However, it is also a fact that the Canaanites were there before the Jews. The reason why we don't hear from the Canaanites about this is because THE JEWS FUCKING KILLED THEM ALL. THE EARLY JEWS COMMITED GENOCIDE IN ORDER TO TAKE THE LAND OF CANAAN FOR THEMSELVES. THIS IS HOW "ISRAEL" BEGAN AND NO ONE WHO DEFENDS ISRAEL WHO ISN'T JEWISH IS MENTIONING THIS BECAUSE, LET'S FACE IT, THEY FEEL SORRY FOR THE JEWS BECAUSE OF MORE RECENT EVENTS LIKE THE HOLOCAUST AND THEY LIKE JEWS BETTER THAN MUSLIMS ANYWAY.

Again, it's just so funny to me that if you ask people "Does Israel fundamentally have the right to exist?", people will answer with "Of course, the Jews have been there a very long time," as if we live in a bizarro world where "Does Israel fundamentally have the right to exist?" and "Have Jews lived in Israel for a very long time?" are the same question. It's almost like people are conflating the original formation of Israel thousands of years ago with the recent regional conflict in order to coerce people onto their side.

The modern state of Palestine, headed by Hamas, has as much right to the land as Israel, which is to say that neither of them really have that right. Both of them go about getting land by murdering the people already living there. The early Jews started doing this in order to form Israel, currently Palestinian Muslims are attempting to do this in order to form Palestine. Both Jewish and Muslim culture have arrived at the conclusion that genocide gives you the right to live somewhere as long as you believe God approved it. For some reason, a lot of people, even people who aren't Jewish, have arrived at the conclusion that the Jews are right to believe that and that the Muslims are wrong to believe that. Why? Because they like Jews more than Muslims, probably because without Jews they wouldn't have Christianity. Or because they are just hypocrites.

Stop it with the double standards and lies. The Jews were not "the native people of that region" and even they admit it. They killed the natives in order to form Israel. If it's alright for Jews to do it, why isn't it alright for anyone else?

why are you a zionist? what makes you think the land that israel’s only had fit 75 years justifies Another destroyed people

You're on anon, claiming to be Jewish. How am I to know if it's actually true, because a lot of people with ulterior motives have been impersonating Jews online to push their agendas. I'm within my rights to be suspicious of you, because you're using the lingo that's very similar to those people. Especially the way you try to state that Jews have only been that region for some 75 years, when actually they're the native people of that region.

A Jewish person would not deny their own history like that.

If they are attempting to argue that the state of Israel has only existed for 75 years, then I'd like them to point to the time there was an independent Palestinian state between Roman conquest and British Mandate. Any claim made on the basis of statehood would apply as much to Palestinians as to Israel, more so when you consider that they were occupied by Jordan and Egypt.

I guess what I'm asking is in what sense are Jews native to this region if their own narrative about their relationship to this region is one of arriving to the region after it has its own population of natives (and after having traveled from a different region, obviously) with the sole intention of literally wiping out that population from the face of the Earth so that they can claim the land and its resources for themselves and their god?

It's all in their manual. They celebrate it openly. I've never seen a Canaanite.

It's common knowledge that Israel is the good ethnostate. Fuck, as long as you have close enough genetic ties to "Israel", it doesn't even matter if you are born there. That's right, there's a country out in the world at this very moment that considers people that have never been within its borders a full, proud citizen just because those people happen to be the descendants of the people that conquered and wiped out the natives that originally occupied that country's land.

Are we supposed to ignore how fucking weird that is? Is that what we're doing? Just allowing this thing to operate in the domain of "being a country w/ natives and citizens" in its own kooky way that doesn't at all do what the rest of the things that do that do because otherwise we would seem like we support Hamas?

No, I don't support Hamas. They are violent assholes. Why would I support violent assholes? Why, after having read all of that, would anyone assume that I would ever support violent assholes? I'm talking about the state of Israel, not Hamas. Keep on topic, please.

Is this all a joke? Is this a really, really bad joke?

like to CURSE HIM WITH BRAIN POISON