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~ Batman: Black and White

Is it a good time to start off Mermay with a siren Hua Cheng and his little catch? 🧜‍♂️

And it's true that there are Batman's stories that are copaganda, but I'm at a point where I don't want to here your criticisms of them, because y'all are ignoring all the time the system is criticized in Batman and generalizing him.

"He's propaganda for violent vigilante justice" wtf are the other heroes doing? Giving kisses to bad guys? Weren't you the folks celebrating Wonder Woman as "better than Batman" because she kills her bad guys? And Hawkgirl (an usamerican citizen) killing a (non-usamerican) president? But my guy is copaganda because he beat up a rapist? Ok.

I bet those post-canon heavenly meetings are.... interesting.

If I’m off-base, go ahead and tell me what I’m overlooking or giving too much play. But even if I’m wrong about this being the keystone to their mutual crush, I feel confident in saying that Renee sabotaging pre-teen Andrew’s attempts to enforce boundaries/consequence for misbehavior fucked his & Ley’s mindsets and dynamic on top of everything else wrong with them. So the real question I wanted to ask is: what change, if any, and whether better or worse, would the two have gone through if Andy was allowed to crashout against Leyley ruining his things and social life?

Due to the following line, I actually believe the "sexually confused" part of the equation is implied to be caused by something we haven't seen yet:

"If everything hadn't been so screwed up from the start, I know I wouldn't have ever come to see her that way."

But otherwise you're pretty spot on.

Andrew being allowed to set boundaries probably would've been better for him, yeah. It would've been better for Ashley too if Andrew managed to set these boundaries in a way that didn't hurt her too much, but I think an outright crashout would've just made things worse for her. Ashley still needed and deserved love and care, and Andrew hurting her instead of giving it to her wouldn't have changed her developmental path for the better.