“Do trans men belong in women’s spaces?” I hate the phrasing of that question entirely. It’s secretly multiple questions disguised as one while using a vague term that serves no purpose other than to lead someone to a specific conclusion.
So let’s rephrase it.
“Do trans men belong in women’s spaces clinics that offer services meant for those with vaginas, uteruses, etc?” If they have the relevant anatomy that needs care, then obviously yes. I’m sorry, do you want trans men to get cancer and die because it went undetected too long? Because that’s how you get trans men to get cancer and die because it went undetected too long. Also, why is that space considered a women’s space to begin with and why should we let it stay that way?
“Do trans men belong in women’s spaces feminist advocacy groups fighting for abortion rights?” Yes because leaving trans men out means the people writing the law can simply forget trans men exist and write it in such a way where some asshole familiar with the law can use the exact wording to justify denying necessary care to a trans man because he is a trans man. If the law says “no woman should be denied access to abortion care…” and the trans man is legally a man, he will find himself in the same situation as the trans man who gets that phone call from his insurance saying “hey, sorry, but since you’re a man, we’re not covering that pap smear and you will be charged the full amount.” Not just in terms of paying either. “If you were a real man, you wouldn’t need an abortion. Come back after you fix your documents so they indicate you’re a female, but like, maybe motherhood would fix you so. Idk not my problem anymore. Goodbye!”
“Do trans men belong in women’s spaces lesbian book clubs or whatever?” They’re probably already there anyway and they’re not causing any problems just by being men in what is traditionally a women’s only thing. Plus, chances are they’ve been there since before coming out as trans so you’d just be kicking him out for coming out. I don’t have to explain to anyone why that’s kind of messed up, right?
“Do trans men belong in women’s spaces Should we kick people out of our arbitrarily female-only group if they come out as trans?” I guess I have to explain after all. It’s not gender validating for us to be suddenly ejected from every space we’ve found friends in before. You’re punishing someone for being trans. That’s all they did, was be trans.
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1) trans women and trans men can both be in the same space. Letting trans men stay doesn’t mean keeping trans women out.
2) Gender segregated spaces should be phased out entirely at some point. I just don’t think we’re gonna pull that off all at once but rather by letting currently gender segregated spaces become slightly more mixed so then when we fully desegregate them it’s less “oh shit I have no idea what this is gonna be like” and more “oh okay yeah this is pretty normal actually”.
3) “Why can’t trans men just go to men’s spaces” are you aware that those spaces are often transphobic towards us too? Trans men go into gay men’s spaces and there’s cis gay men going “ew, pussy!” At some point you’re almost able to tolerate spaces where you have to be masc presenting But Not Too Masc because even if everyone is misgendering you in their head at least you have a goddamn community. And when there are guys who deal with this, I think kicking trans men out of any queer space at all, even a lesbian one, is just kind of cruel! Why let your distaste for men lead you to isolating a trans person?
4) Either your position is worth fighting me in the replies on this or you’re part of a tiny minority and no one should try to debate you on this. Pick one.
The question is, "Is it ethical for trans men to be complicit in transphobia, i.e. supporting organizations that define 'women-only' as AFAB,' and covering for them via bad-faith rhetorical tricks like pretending 'women-only spaces' does not mean spaces that use exactly that language, or pretending that these boundaries are merely historical, incidental, or TRANS WOMAN-INCLUSIVE?"
And, I guess, "is it a defense to say that taking a stand against transphobia is a pain in the ass?"
If those spaces have resources trans men need, then it’s shitty that they’re transphobic but you cannot blame trans men for trying to get their needs met. If you’re stuck going to the gynecologist office that calls itself Wombyn’s Divine Feminine Energy Gynecological Clinic, then yeah, it’s better to go there than it is to not find out you have cervical cancer until it’s about to kill you.
Even when it is just about community, you seem to operate under the idea that trans men going there just have an abundance of other options that they’re simply not choosing because they hate trans women that much, when it’s usually a lot more complicated than that. If a trans man was in a women’s only group for ten years prior to transition, I think it’s uniquely cruel to expect him to just drop that entirely immediately. And if the policy is defining “woman” as “anyone who was AFAB”, then chances are they’ll actually kick him out themselves anyway, either immediately so he doesn’t “spread [his] social contagion” or later when he passes too well for cis women’s comfort. You also assume he wouldn’t use his position in the group to push for more trans inclusive policies.
So, to answer your question with a question, why should taking a stand against transphobia mean active harm towards trans men and only look like what you want it to look like? Why should trans men be expected not to even receive the already terrible healthcare that’s offered to them and accept social rejection and isolation in the name of Trans Rights™️?























