Maul is always out here like yes hahaha come with me child I can be your dad yes leave behind your current dad he literally sucks ass and is not nearly as cool and scary as me hahaha I promise I'll make you soooo evil and powerful and fueled by hate and rage it has gone great for me I never got cut in half or spent a decade in the actual literal garbage going mad plagued by horrible visions because of it not at all and I'm like so so over the guy who cut me in half can't even remember his name anyway you can trust me I prommyyyy stick your fingers in my enclosure pleaseeeee let me be your dad
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as much as i love corruption arcs, there's just something so sexy about a character that can't be corrupted, to the point that he un-corrupts you instead
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one of my top favorite cringefail pathetic Dooku moments of all time is in that Yoda: Dark Rendezvous book, when Yoda asked Dooku what the fancy old dark side could even do, the FIRST fucking thing that comes blurting out of Dooku's stupid mouth is literally: "Do you want friends? The dark side can compel them for you!"
He's so funny for saying all that while living alone in a castle. Yeah, sure thing, Dooku. And are those friends and lovers in the room with us right now?
one of my top favorite cringefail pathetic Dooku moments of all time is in that Yoda: Dark Rendezvous book, when Yoda asked Dooku what the fancy old dark side could even do, the FIRST fucking thing that comes blurting out of Dooku's stupid mouth is literally: "Do you want friends? The dark side can compel them for you!"
woke up thinking about that scene in Labyrinth of Evil where Yoda rightly points out how if you think about it, Dooku had less than zero practical reasons for calling off his guard escort and halting his escape from Geonosis to enjoy a silly lightsaber duel with Anakin and Obi-Wan. You know, the whole point is to escape capture, if something went wrong there, the CIS is dead on arrival, plus the duel proves Dooku is a martial dark side user and not just a political enemy.
And Yoda's conclusion, having known Dooku better and longer than anyone living? The reason was simply that Dooku couldn't resist an opportunity to show off in front of his lineage. It wasn't a tactical play, it was just his batshit awful personality.
Yoda literally deciding to just DIE to avoid an uncomfortable conversation 🤝 Dooku dropping a bomb on himself and jumping out a window to leave a conversation he's losing - THESE TWO ARE FATHER AND SON
You know, all three times Palpatine took an L it was because he couldn't just couldn't stop jizzing lightning. In fact, with the exception of the bit where he tries a little burst and Yoda just catches it, every time he does it it breaks bad for him in some way cause he's just to much of a sicko to stop electro-jaculating in time. Compare this to the dignified, almost regal, force lightning emanations of Count Dooku.
Don't really have a point, but sometimes you just gotta post about Sheev Palpatine.
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you know that dooku farmer fic?? i read and it and was like 'wow the old man lovers are gonna tear this to pieces' so i figured that i'd mention it to you
What Dooku farmer fic?? Anon you can't just drop this on me without elaborating
"Dooku Alone" has to be one of my fav Dooku fics. It changed me forever. Idk something about the concept of him hiding away from Sidious and the war on a remote planet undid me. Old man just wants to be left alone so he can garden in peace. Living the simple Ghibli movie life. Talking to his carrots like he's a fucking witch. Wistfully remembering the days when he used to be a powerful Count but alas. At least, he's safe where he is.
Yeah, the portrayal in this fic did irrevocable damage to my brain in how I see the old guy.
I have so many thoughts on lightsabers. Like don’t get me started about Dooku’s.
The hilts still curved, his dueling prowess and style hasn’t changed from when he was a Jedi.
His never has “sith eyes” in the movie, they’re still the same brown and the darkside hasn’t physically changed him like Sidious. He still looks like the statue of him in the Jedi library but he is now undoubtedly sith.
Outwardly him and his lightsaber is still the same, but when it comes to action they are both completely changed by the darkside. Not just the color of his saber marks him as sith, so does who he chooses to wield it against.
And both him and his saber are ultimately just tools of the sith.
Why is Count Dooku's characterization vastly different in The Clone Wars then Attack of the Clones? In AOTC he's all like, "I'm sorry old friend" and "Back down", in TCW he seems to take pleasure in killing Jedi. What happened?
Okay, so I lightly touched on this back in this post where I compare the Dooku we see in the Legends continuity to the Dooku we see in Canon and in this video. George Lucas quotes used as sources can be found at the end.
To start with: there's a dichotomy to Dooku.
On the one hand... he makes good points.
His concerns are the same that many Jedi share: the Senate is corrupt, and its representatives are abusing their power for their own selfish needs, sometimes even using Jedi to do so.
On the other hand... Dooku's a Sith.
Which means he - like the Senators - is also after power, if not moreso. He's greedy, selfish and ambitious. Sure, he makes good points but he’s part of the problem; he knows it, but he doesn’t care.
More importantly, like Maul and Grievous, the primary purpose of Dooku, as a character, is to show us who Anakin is going to turn into:
An evil, corrupted old man. A prodigal son of the Jedi Order (with closet fascist-leanings) who, in his unquenchable thirst for power, was reduced to being a slave of Darth Sidious.
One of the big differences between Dooku and Anakin, however, is that Dooku was always more politically savvy.
Count Dooku has a public image.
He uses his past as a Jedi to cultivate this persona of a wise intellectual, a rational man with fair and just demands, one who fights for the little guy.
He is the head of the Separatist movement, a charismatic figure known throughout the galaxy for his political idealism, even giving lectures at universities.
But it is just a persona.
I mean, that's probably how he started out, sure, but by the time we see him in Attack of the Clones, Dooku is a Sith Lord, and he's been one for over 10 years, because we know he was going by "Tyranus" while ordering Sifo-Dyas' death and hiring Jango Fett a few months before the invasion of Naboo.
QUICK NOTE:
In Canon, Dooku left the Jedi Order 10 years before Qui-Gon’s death. So chances are, he's actually been a Sith for almost 20 years, as we know he was already a darksider 8 years prior to The Phantom Menace because he tried to recruit Rael Averross at the end of the book Master & Apprentice.
Which means he's pure evil.
Deep down, Dooku's the guy we see in The Clone Wars:
Darth Tyranus, a ruthless, sadistic killer whose only goal is to destroy the Jedi Order and bend the galaxy to his will.
But the galaxy can't know this, right?
They think he's Count Dooku, a kind-hearted man whose beliefs are controversial but ultimately altruistic. Hell, even the Jedi remember him fondly.
So, like Palpatine, he keeps up the facade.
He does this with Obi-Wan, as he secretly tries to recruit him to overthrow Sidious (who Lucas compares to Vader trying to do with Luke in Empire Strikes Back):
He does this with the Jedi, calling Mace "old friend", telling him he's sorry he's about to have them executed.
He plays this charade up to the very end...
... but when Obi-Wan still won't back down, he is left with no choice but to kill him the fastest way he can: with a lightsaber.
A red-bladed lightsaber, in signature Sith fashion. One he’s been careful to keep a secret.
But Obi-Wan's seen it, he's seen the Force Lightning... he's been given a peek behind the curtains, so now he has to die.
And you see the change in Dooku’s behavior. He starts to taunt Obi-Wan, he’s grinning, there’s a sadistic glimmer in his eye. For a brief moment, he drops the mask and goes to town.
Oh and Anakin joins in, whatever the more the merrier. But then Yoda joins in... and Dooku can't beat Yoda. Crap, he's gonna tell everyone.
The secret of him being a Sith Lord is gonna get out...!
But this is Palpatine and Dooku we're talking about. Political geniuses, masters of spin and flipping the story. If the secret got out... who cares?
Seriously, who cares if the Jedi know he’s a Sith, now? The war's already started, Order 66 is right around the corner. He won't even bother pretending he's a good guy, with the Jedi.
Him playing the role of the "villain" when facing the Republic also makes it so that the Senate will want to keep the war going until he's captured or dead.
And because they're at war, he can simply wave the fiendish acts the Republic lays at his feet as "slanderous propaganda" in front of the Separatists, they'll just eat it up.
Furthermore, Dooku being his true, ruthless self when engaging with the Republic also has a second perk: it'll make the Jedi look bad.
'Cause the galaxy doesn't really get what a Sith Lord is, they think it's just some Jedi variant. So that's still a Jedi, right?
As such, Dooku's cruel actions and cruelty then feed into the anti-Jedi conspiracy theories about them "starting the war" and the growing distrust that'll make it so that - when the Jedi are eventually wiped out - the general public will just go "good riddance".
Which was the main goal of the entire Clone War conflict.
TLDR:
The guy we see in most of Attack of the Clones is Count Dooku, political idealist, AKA who he presents himself to be.
The characterization we see at the end of Attack of the Clones, in The Clone Wars and in Revenge of the Sith is that of Darth Tyranus, Sith Lord, AKA his true self.
George Lucas Quotes:
About Dooku’s valid points:
“I wanted a more sophisticated kind of villain. Dooku’s disenchantment with the corruption in the [Republic] is actually valid. It’s all valid. So, Chris plays it as, “Is he really a villain or is he just someone who is disenchanted and trying to make things right?””
- Starlog Magazine #300, 2002
“The confrontation between Obi-Wan and Dooku originally was a confrontation between Padmé and Dooku, and it was a political thing. I decided, after seeing the movie, that I didn’t need that scene with Padmé and Dooku, it was in the wrong part of the picture, and this one, with Obi-Wan, would be more appropriate.
It would work better if Dooku would actually tell the truth about what’s going on and then create a situation where nobody believed him. And it also allows you to kinda have some sympathy for Dooku in that he carries the sympathies of most of the Jedi which is that the Senate is corrupt and is incapable of carrying out any meaningful actions because they argue about everything all the time.”
- Attack of the Clones, Director’s Commentary, 2002
About the similarities between Anakin and Dooku:
“[In the garage scene, Anakin] sort of lays out his ambition and you’ll see later on his ambition and his dialogue here is the same as Dooku’s. He says “I will become more powerful than every Jedi.” And you’ll hear later on Dooku will say “I have become more powerful than any Jedi.” [...]
And Dooku is, kind of, the fallen Jedi who was converted to the Dark Side because the other Sith Lord didn’t have time to start from scratch, and so we can see that that’s where this is going to lead which is that it is possible for a Jedi to be converted. It is possible for a Jedi to want to become more powerful.”
- Attack of the Clones, Director’s Commentary, 2002
“I needed to get across the point that Jedi can leave the Order, to set up what happens with Anakin later on. Also, in the end when you realize that Dooku is Darth Tyranus, it explains what Darth Sidious did after Darth Maul was killed: he seduce a Jedi who had become disenchanted with the Republic. He preyed on that disenchantment and converted him to the dark side, which is also a setup for what happens with Anakin.”
- Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones, 2002
About Dooku’s true nature:
“If you put two Sith together, they try to get others to join them to get rid of the other Sith. Dooku's ambition here is really to get rid of Darth Sidious. He's trying to get Obi-Wan's assistance in that [...] so that he and Obi-Wan could overthrow Sidious and take over. And it's exactly the same scene as when Darth Vader does it with Luke to try to get rid of Sidious.”
- Attack of the Clones, Commentary Track 2, 2002
“In the midst of this turmoil, a separatist movement was formed under the leadership of the charismatic former Jedi Count Dooku. By promising an alternative to the corruption and greed that was rotting the Republic from within, Dooku was able to persuade thousands of star systems to secede from the Republic.
Unbeknownst to most of his followers, Dooku was himself a Dark Lord of the Sith, acting in collusion with his master, Darth Sidious, who, over the years, had struck an unholy alliance with the greater forces of commerce and their private droid armies.”
- Shatterpoint, Prologue, 2004
If anything, his portrayal in TCW was *less* ruthless than in AotC, not the other way around. His esteem for Obi-Wan felt more genuine, and we were definitely made to feel the tragedy of his fall when we got a glimpse of what could have been in Yoda's vision.
He also clearly hesitated when having to use his bond with Yoda to harm him and he kept recreating almost Jedi-like relationships (albeit warped) with his apprentices. He also let it slip that he genuinely cared for Ventress in a way and didn't want to discard her.
Of course, all of that nuance only highlights the pure evil of his actions - he had the capacity for good, he had the knowledge and wisdom to choose a better path, and he didn't. Out of greed, lust for power, self-preservation and pride. He was selfish to the core and he was fully aware of what he was doing.
And not just his (very obvious) hesitations regarding Yoda and Asajj...
... but also the one re: Qui-Gon, as seen in Brotherhood, provided he wasn't putting on a show, there.
These exceptions to the rule sorta mirror that albeit brief moment of clarity has with Obi-Wan in Kenobi when he says “I am not your failure” or the very clear reluctance he shows before telling Ahsoka that if she won’t leave him, she’ll die.
For both these characters, their master and their apprentice(s) are the soft spot.
Once again: Dooku truly is what Anakin will one day be.
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