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"we're all faggots in the eyes of the state" okay but the state recognises different category of "faggot" where one is "idiot womanchildren with delusions of grandeur" and another is "subhuman predators that must be excised from society posthaste" like neither are a great way to treat another human being but can we pleeeeeeease acknowledge the difference here
There are two types of Bridgerton viewers, the ones who watch Eloise's story as a horror story, and the ones who would watch Stepford Wives as a romance.
It's so insane for me how writers always paint Eloise as a privileged brat, but never ever raise the question about bridgerton boys misogyny in a significant way.
Can we not boil Eloise’s desire not marry down to fear of losing love please? That was Anthony’s hang up.
Eloise is terrified and traumatised about childbirth.
Eloise does not like children.
Eloise feels trapped and condescended too when talking to (most) men.
Eloise is disinterested in the career that comes with being a high society wife: namely hosting events and managing a household.
Eloise wants to go to university and recieve an education.
Eloise is (or at least was) interested in working class revolutionary politics.
Eloise is made actively uncomfortable by the marriage market.
Eloise is witty and sarcastic and keenly aware that she doesn’t fit within the gender role of ‘high society wife’
Eloise feels trapped.
And on top of all of that.
Eloise simply doesn’t want to marry. That should be enough. Not wanting to marry should be enough of a reason.
And the show is going to boil all of that complexity, all of the rich in character reasons she didn’t want to marry down to “she is scared to love and then loose them” so that they can “fix it” like they did with Anthony

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Bridgerton dismisses Mary Wollstonecraft because she does not "sufficiently value love".
Bridgerton is dead to me.
Bridgerton is now officially sexist, misogynist, anti feminist bullshit.
Dismissing one of the most significant proto feminist writers of the Regency Era because she does not "sufficiently value love" isn't even weak, feeble feminism anymore it is full on anti-feminist rhetoric.
Don't tell me Bridgerton isn't sexist propaganda, when one of the patriarchy's favourite talking points is that feminists are unlovable, and that women who protest against the patriarchy need the love of a good man to fix them.
I know this show is a romance and love is the endgame, but they didn't need to bloody well introduce feminism or Wollstonecraft into the show at all. They brought these things into the narrative, built up their importance for Eloise, simply to dismiss them and have Eloise outgrow them once she's ready for "love".
This show is the most sexist, repulsive, insidious trad wife propaganda on television, and the fact it sells itself as progressive just makes it all the more insidious.
Yh alot of ppl are forgetting that Eloise is being prickly with Hyacinth because she's being forced to stick to her sister's side for lessons she already completed years ago.
For anyone confused, imagine your mother forces you, an adult,to attend your 14 year old sister's etiquette classes. You cannot say no and you cannot leave under your sisters side under any circumstances. Also you are now in charge of accompanying her everywhere.
She also upset because of why Violet is forcing her. She declared she wanted to be a spinster. and Violet is punishing her for it in a very insulting way. She is treating Eloise as a child, indirectly suggesting that Eloise should act more mature like Hyacinth, all the while refusing to have any conversation with her daughter.
Let's be honest here, being compared to your siblings sucks. Being seen as less competent than your younger sibling especially sucks. And this kind of comparison would cause problems between most siblings at any age
For example: You, a child free woman, visit your hometown for a while till your sister gives birth. And the whole time you're there, your mother is also bringing up how nice it would be for you to have a baby (you've explained you're childfree) and saying you'll eventually want one cause it's only natural. She keeps forcing you to help your sister with everything (Setting up yhe crib, buying clothes, picking out a stroller, buying baby supplies). It's easy to see how resentment builds
I agree Eloises resentment is misplaced. She shouldn't take it out on Hyacinth. But lets be real, its not like she can talk to the cause of the problem, aka Violet too-busy-getting-dicked-down-to-be-a-parentvBridgerton.
And I don't blame Hyacinth for being angry about it. You could say she should be able to recognize Eloise is being mistreated by their mother, but giving grace to the fact that she is young with no other sisters at home I also think its a bit of desperation.
Overall it's a shitty situation and Eloise is reacting in anger because once again her voice/choices is being taken away by someone
Also, as an aside, I side-eye the anti-Theloise crowd who act like the idea that a woman might care for someone enough to give up privilege and glamour for a man who is kind to her and whom she likes is absolutely unthinkable… meanwhile, it’s totally understandable—and romantic—when Benedict does it for Sophie.
I’ve long grown suspicious of the side of historical romance enjoyers who seem to delight in finding new ways to say and imply and enforce this idea that women are only allowed to marry within their class—and that if they go outside of it, they must marry up. Or, if they marry down, then that man must still be wealthy, own land, and be “worthy” of her.
Fuck the poor. Fuck the thoughtful. Fuck the nice to her. Fuck the being delighted by her. Fuck the respecting her upon meeting her. Eloise needs a man who will make her struggle to become worthy of his respect. Eloise needs a man will force her to grow into a shape she never wanted to be in because the growth she has been capable of on her own is unimportant because it comes unattached to the dick of the most boring guy you’ve ever read about. Eloise needs to fall out of love with feminist scholars because the idea that she could ever join them, become their peer, or become anything like them is apparently stupid.
Eloise needs a man whose idea of supporting her is ignoring her when he isn’t sleeping with her and allowing her to do things like read and study. Don’t you know! There are some men who don’t let their wives do that. Really this is the best-case scenario for her and you should all stop complaining about it. (Do you hear Eloise complaining about it anymore? Don't worry all that bite has been trained out of her. It's hard to dig one's teeth into the hand that's drowning you when they've stolen them.)
when i say I don't want eloise to get married ppl assume I don't want her to experience love or romance. which could not be further from the truth. I love her and theo. I love her and cressida. I love the idea of her being a spinster and having sweeping, romantic passionate love affairs.
I just think 1) she's anti marriage because women were legally classified as their husband's property and were not allowed to do anything outside being a wife and a mother (which the married women who do enjoy being married even agree with! because that was the reality back then!) and 2) romance is is like, a no. 4 priority for her. like going to university, travelling the world, campaigning for women's rights - those come first and is it wrong for me to want the writers to prioritise those goals? again, not saying she also shouldn't want romance but i think that the romance should accompany her travels, her studies, her campaigning, not her desires being sidelined for romance/marriage.
Eloise Bridgerton is NOT a Pick Me. Never was and never will be. The very definition of Pick Me is a male-centered woman who puts down other women for male validation. When in all hell has Eloise ever sought male validation, or put women down for it?
What Eloise is is a young woman seeing everyone around her submitting to a patriarchal system, and she happens to associate everything she doesn't relate to or agree w or like with said system. Especially when said things are weaponised against women (like "purity" culture, marriage, child bearing, submissive nature, etc.). She's angry because from where she stands, the women around her are ignoring, and even enforcing, these things.
And no, Hyacinth didn't "clock" Eloise or "put her in her place." If anything, this is going to make Eloise realise that while women have different goals and dreams, the system is all the more evil for forcing a single way of living on everyone by rewarding specific behaviours and punishing others. And it'll only strengthen her stand against the system.

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quite brutal how y'all (and the writers) are foaming at the mouth to crush eloise's spirits and want her to be "humbled" so bad. she understands society perfectly fine which is exactly why she rejects it. nobody in her family with the exception of benedict (or colin bc he bought her a book from his trips) even care about her interests.
the "she's all talk, no action" argument is weak, you're forgetting that it's established in the show itself that women in the regency era could not DO anything, they can't even get educated, the best they could do is rebel and stand their ground against their family, and making sure they're not or giving in to pressure.
the only way she can rebel out of her situation is to complain and be vocal about it, so yeah I don't want to see the "she's such a whiner" one more fucking time I swear. yk damn well you'd be whining too if you were told you do not have the autonomy to choose your future.
people romanticize the regency balls and costumes but also simultaneously apply modern logic when it comes to judging female characters (specifically eloise) on the show.
so yeah it's great and totally not misogynistic at all that you want her to "know her place" and that she should be forced to conform, swallow and accept the miserable circumstances she's beinv forced into 🥰
(updating this post with an important point) and that's not to say she wasn't mean to hyacinth, she was, and hyacinth was valid in feeling left out and hurt. but can we start understanding her frustration? she has been pressured for years into marrying, and just got told by her mother that she wasn't allowed to have that choice of remaining single, how do you expect her to NOT get resentful? when she was denied autonomy??
The reason choice feminism is so accepted by a demography that largely consists of straight white women is because it gives them the illusion of choice and empowerment in a patriarchal society. It’s a performative form of rebellion where one has not to rebel against anything, simply abiding by the status quo in a slightly less strict way.
The reason why Eloise is being called a “pick me” or accused of “having the not like other girls syndrome” is because she is shattering that fantasy of women having free choice in a patriarchal society, raising uncomfortable questions for those women.
“You’re telling me I can’t marry and have children and be a feminist?” is such a straight white woman response, no less stupid or self-centric than people who, for instance, think that trans people living is an attack on cis people; or that Black liberation is an attack on white people. You’re not the center of the world and you’re not oppressed because people on the internet are criticizing the patriarchy. Who is oppressed are women like Eloise, who, despite being a fictional character, is mirror to a society that does not allow women the freedom of choice.
Liberal women love to single out the “pick me’s,” reflecting on their lack of empathy with women who don't conform to the norm. The patriarchy oppresses all women, but other women can perpetuate that oppression on their female peers by upholding the system. Eloise is not being let down by the men in her life but also the women.
“Eloise has no right to make fun of her sister for wanting to marry.”
A woman wanting to marry is the normality in Eloise’s society. Hyacinth isn’t the victim; Eloise is. As long as women are forced into marriage Eloise’s rage will be 100% justified. The fact that a consistent part of the fanbase is waiting for Eloise to be “humbled” by a man is the blatant proof of how rabidly misogynistic her writing is.
i wish we were able to talk about women's rights without someone mentioning how much they do or don't want to have sex with them. i don't care if you're a lesbian Stop finding worth in women purely from their perceived attractiveness
"I think women should not be expected to shave for societal respect / to avoid discrimination" "yeah🤤 i love bush" ok well that's not what we're talking about is it.
i hate how many posts about trans women deserving respect always devolve into "I love girldick" or "trans rights but I don't want to date a trans person" because that's entirely unrelated to the topic at hand. you should not respond to feminism with "YESSS I loveeee you because I see you as nothing but a sex object" you people sound like other men I get stuck talking with that end up saying "free the nipple so I can see boobies in public" and thinking they're feminists. why can't we just respect women regardless of your attraction to them or not. why does it need to be brought up in every conversation regarding their rights
never played stardew valley so before looking at the tags I was willing to accept this was a real life political scandal
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