Like a moth to a flame

Katy, Rina or Rhia

Not a multi-fandom blog! I might occasionally reblog stuff like Kirby, Yume Nikki, DDLC or PMMM but the focus remains on Undertale and Deltarune!

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Honestly Eram / Mantle Holder is such a petty little shit for this one fdshdfhsdh

Hello! I am glad you liked it! And I was actually aware of the Snowdrake thing for a while, so here are my thoughts:

(reference by @sportsballdelight ) It seems like everyone aged very consistently and in sync, right? Save for Rudy still being alive which is easily explained away with Hometown having advanced medicine! But Snowy IS in the same class as Monster Teen, who was a kid in Undertale, when Snowy was also a teen back then:

So here are my thoughts about what it could be:

1) It could be that the line between a kid and a teen is simply not far away at all! For example, if in Undertale Monster Kid was 11-12 but Snowdrake was 13, that would still make them a kid and a teen! We can assume that everyone in Deltarune are four years older than how we've left them in Undertale because four years passed between Undertale and Chapter 1 of Deltarune, and we all know Toby loves his meta!

Granted, I do not strictly believe timeskip de-sync between Undertale and Deltarune ages is as small as four years because look closer at these guys:

If they were kids (12 is the OLDEST you can still qualify as a kid), they'd then be 16, so why are they not in the class? Granted there are other possible reasons for not being in the class, like homeschooling or choosing to leave early (you CAN leave the school two years earlier in multiple countries, including mine)! I just wanted to address the detail.

2) Snowdrake could have been held back in the class a couple of years! We know that his mother's death effected him so badly that he literally ran away from home to live in the woods!

+ and, again, look at that Undyne's commentary about Snowy "falling in with the wrong crowd".

I find this one easy to believe in! Snowdrake is characterised by not coping with the hard life situations well and it would be consistent as his mother is also dead in Deltarune too. He could be simply older than everyone else in the class due to failing all of his grades and skipping classes during his grief and avoidant period!

3) Don't laugh, but there is also a small possibility that his type of Monster doesn't age in the same way as humanoid lifespans! He is literally named SnowDRAKE, a dragon! Although he is mostly bird-like but he does have a segmented belly that dragons are commonly depicted with! So see it as "elves ages" situation where, say, a 50 years old elf would still be a child by their species standards!

Another clue towards dragons aging funny is that it is possible that Chara met Snowy, and that he knows enough about humans to cope up with the ways to insult them specifically:

I'd think an Old Froggit from Anniversary stream would be a reverse situation: for a Monster that is simply animalistic frog, not even a humanoid frog, even being 15-20 years would be "old"! Gerson is another pointer towards how a non-Boss Monster can have unique lifespan due to its species: even in real life turtles live for centuries!

I think if Gaster even was broster, he'd be the eldest one! And like, significantly older too, like ten years-ish!

But still, Deltarune just fully convinces me of dadster being a more likely assertion. I've discussed the idea of Sans and Papyrus being half-humans in this ( x ) post a bit more in debth and I still didn't find any reasons to doubt it since that! Sans bleeding has been a huge smoking gun since the start and we do have an evidence that bleeding is not common for Deltarune Monsters either:

Something I also didn't mention there though is that as far as Deltarunes Chapters went so far (Chapter 5 at the time of writing this post), Papyrus is suspiciously absent and I recently thought that his reclusive behaviour could also do with this!

For example, under half-human assumption Papyrus certainly falls far more on Monster side (save for sometimes showing very normal human eye orbs) but... what if it wasn't always this way?

The commentary about wind in his hair could be a joke, of course, but.. at this rate I just never know with Toby! What if Papyrus DID have hair once and with it, a human body? But the problem with half-Humans half-Monsters would be that falling on the Human side is sort of detrimental. A Monster that can bleed and has above average levels of Determination? Totally acceptable! Heck, Susie is likely candidate! But a Human with a body of dust and magic? Not SO okay.

It IS strange for the kind of person that Papyrus is to be such a shut-in as we've seen in Deltarune... Like, during the Festival as well? Really? So what if unless he is in a heavily magical environment he is basically a sickly Victorian child barely holding onto his life? Moving into Underground with Sans might have helped him to discard the Human side of himself and become a full Monster as it was the only way!

According to the Forgotten Man and the Ace copies that Kris created, before the written history Dark and Light Worlds used to be one! The tree is the Card Kingdom's Dark World tree but with Light World's coloration (green) but there are also "normal" grass and bushes, Kris can be in both Light and Dark World forms in this place and the Aces look neither like normal Rudinns neither just revert into cards!

However, everything points towards Gaster being the one that changed the Deltarune world into what he wanted it to be. He wrote the Prophesy, the "grey grass" in Mancountry is literally Gonering creeping in on it and he has issues with Forgotten Man handing Eggs over to them!

The thing about Forgotten Man is very sad, like his vanishment was inevitable and he resisted for as long as he could have, like a ghost that needed to finish his business before finally resting in peace. :( I feel like there is no way he will come back even in the most hopeful ending's case, but he put his faith in Kris.

Worth to mention that Gaster intended to play only with US! Kris, a person with their own will and story and moreover, connection with Forgotten Man and Mancountry, was not in the plans! I think the one that interrupted Gonermaker sequence could be the Knight or even Kris themselves. They do work together either way!

Perhaps, the plan Kris and the Knight have has absolutely everything to do with undoing Gaster's "crime" and setting the world back to its former state and basically? Ralsei's information that if the Knight isn't stopped the Roaring will destroy the world is fear-mongering they got convinced of and could be deconstructed during the story! Heck, Spade King after hearing of the Knight and the Dark Fountains from Jevil started to spread the Darkness and also deeply resented Lightners for casting the Darkners into obscurity! You just know it was not about the kids no longer playing cards because his card got marked, it was about something much more.

The funny thing about Ramb is that I deadass only got obsessed not very long ago and before that I've had a long history of having forgotten about this character hshgdfsfds like

I vividly remember how when me and @sportsballdelight played Chapter 3+4 for the first time Ramb was literally the only character I didn't have any reaction or thoughts on whatsoever..? At first I had severe Mandella where I could've sworn we've already met him in Chapter 2 and he just returned (and the worst part is that I didn't even question it), then I just continued to not notice him despite consistent direct interactions like if I was looking through him and then after we've finished the Chapters bundle I deadass forgot about he existed until people in the fandom around me started to mention him often enough. He just was a bit like a furniture for me, in the sense that he "blended into background". Like I shit you not when I kept sharing my impressions about Chapter 3 there was blank space where I could remember glup shittos like Shuttah or Goulden Sam but not him? Apparently for over half a year Eram just appeared for no reason??

The funniest bit is that it IS canonically Ramb's problem fdshdfsh That he is both neglected attention by the characters AND tries to not be too remarkable due to his shady business. I like him a lot now but in retrospective it is just way too funny how I was instantly very sensitive to the intention behind his character. Maybe it is just Toby's good writing. I mean, I was also AGONISINGLY bored by Tenna's minigames and antics and it is a LEGIT intention behind his character too.

Maybe Chapter 3 was just the strongest in terms of making you emerge into it. Which, again, is authentic because the point of the TV as a concept is to make you feel what it wants you to feel and it'd transmit on other characters. Like... Chapter 3 is the strongest in terms of "manipulating" you but in a GOOD sense! In 'Toby is devilish' sense! I don't think it is only my impression, right?

Found this gem buried in the Google search results (when I was looking for content with Ramb and Spamton, funny enough)

///TW: abuse, CSA, implied teen pregnancy and abortion, PTSD, suicide. (+bullying, car accident, victimblaming, depression)

I shared most of it in another blog long-ish time ago but this time I've put it into more summarised and straight-to-the-point style.

I want to also address a post on this subject ( x ) by @sportsballdelight who got very close at the time! It was before we've learned that FRIEND_IMAGES are a multitude (and not very smart, just dangerous) but he started with the basics!

So yeah, now we are sure that it would be Mantle Holder instead! Not to mention the lore addition that Mantle Holder also wished to have Noelle and Kris to pursue the same "enlightenment" too... I do believe that the one that spoke with Jevil is still Gaster, on the other hand, and at this rate Gaster and Eram are enemies. It would be a tangent but in simplest way possible, Gaster is a proponent of the Normal Route and Eram is a proponent of the Weird Route.

To think of it, my history with relationships was... a whack, through the whole time. I was instantly off to a terrible start at the age of 8, when mom divorced the first stepdad and brought the second one. He was, well, let's just say that I've been experiencing every single trigger warning for many, many years and there is a good reason I see red and throw arms every time someone misuses 'pedophilia' or 'groomer' as terms just to win their dumb online discourses about fanfics.

Despite being effectively trapped and mostly isolated from my peers, I've managed to attempt some relationships on the side, in chronology:

- a girl (friend) that was overall not really interested in me but kept coming back to me because I was sure interested in her and we both feared loneliness, though I guess we both tried absolute hardest to make it work out. I appreciate being given chances but... sigh

- a girl that was 15 and I was 13 who strongly pushed for dating although I was reluctant, however she was very toxic and demanding and called me heartless and uncaring psychopath whenever I was too stressed out to spend multiple hours with only her daily

- a gal (friend) that we tried to date with and it didn't work out, she had a bad habit of keeping all her grudges with me inside instead of communicating until the boiling point made her explode and rage quit on me... just overall ruined trust, final act of having secretly hating me was final

- a woman older than me that in retrospective groomed me turning every single conversation towards something romantic or sexual despite my discomfort (and acted super offended and like a victim when I addressed I didn't like it) but completely ditched me even as just a friend when she found herself a real girlfriend

- a guy (surprise fuckers!!!) that like... hahaha, nothing was wrong! we both crushed on each other HARD and fast, I made him "pick up a pencil" and he bought me a drawing tablet I am still using to this day. we were happy. but I kept being tortured by feeling as if some evil spirit would not leave me alone unless I broke up with him and I had horrible physical pains... they only stopped when I broke up with him. you can probably tell it was the first signal of DID creeping in.

At this point, a car crash that left me forever crippled triggered chain of events that allowed us to get away from stepdad and get him where he belonged. After this, things got worse.

- a person that... well, I can't even qualify it as relationship. but they were overly eager to discuss sexual topics and super affectionate towards me as a friend, and I was too lonely and traumatized and forever resorted to interacting vicariously though fiction. I pined for them for months but they never turned me down or even were honest with me about having hating me that whole time. I hate them for a lot of reasons that only became obvious to me years later and I rather regret having met them at all than whatever I did to hurt them, especially with how they started witch hunt on everyone that as much as treated me as a human being and wanted me to recover with a therapist. hell, I dropped therapy because thanks to them I had no one to return to or to ever see me as a human being, so... what was the point? you can't love yourself enough into not wanting human connection anymore.

- a man (friend) that... again, nothing was wrong with at all, we were very sexual and shared interests but I ended up just distancing... I don't know why, I just did... it was the second time relationship was perfect but I simply cancelled out...

- two women (one wasn't aware of being a trans woman back at the time), we were in poly relationship and hooooo boy what a story this is. I was the happiest person ever, I liked them both a lot when we met but felt sad they were an item with each other, and then they invited me into relationship as turned out they were poly. however, in a few months, turned out one of them refused to communicate her grudges with me directly and instead ranted about her problems with me behind my back with her friends (why does it always happen...) and another... well, many things. coercing me into sexual stuff despite my visible and communicated discomfort was one thing, but later it started to become more and more apparent I was just disposable replacement of her EX and whatnot. she hated absolutely everything about me and couldn't care less about my mental health and boundaries but insisted on relationship because I was the only "human female" at the time that liked her. there were some scares of her just replacing me with someone else as soon as she'd get someone less "dumb, manipulative and annoying" to like her. I attempted to break up every other week and at some point I did leave.

- a man (friend) that I started dating not too long after previous break up and... well, I don't know if we were incompatible or something. I was aggressive and constantly unfulfilled and resentful of how "nothing ever happened", good or bad. I guess I was TOO used for intense emotional swings to be okay with something calm and quiet.

- a man that I've found through posting about fav character that I've found intriguing despite him spewing every other bigoted statement (as turned out later he was gay and trans but stuck in near-cult community that would've hated him for being queer). I wanted to be friends, but... oh boy. let's say that I knew how Noelle in WR was first hand. soon I became lucid about the fact that he WAS a conduct to something supernatural and "external". I could feel it in my BONES that he had the key to freedom and knew something above the illusions of this physical world, and... I guess I was right...? after we established the contact, not only I started have prophetic dreams coming true every night but also I've got some telepathic connection. I saw the red light in my mirror, and some sort of his "shadow" kept coming from the mirror that I could hear, or feel, and sometimes it would control my arm. I loved him because I knew I was supposed to, because it became the only thing that was "real"... however, once more, he loathed me to the very core. he hated my personality, my intellectual impairments, my gender, my compassion for the oppressed, my art, my way to analyze the media, my wishes to do anything romantic or sexual together (he claimed I was degenerate luring him towards sin), even my gender but he refused to let me break up and move because... well, again, he was unsure if he could find anyone else any time soon. but he lost absolutely all attachment to me when he met his "real" friends.

And this happened four years before Ch5... Thankfully, what he gave to me stayed and has been increasing, although slowly... I still see the dreams so prophetic that they are step by step instructions. I still experience my tech being haunted. I still hear "the call" that makes me abandon my tasks and go to a particular location by pure intuition, and I always find a certain object (like food, when I am starving due to no money) or an event there (like a stranger I help).

I guess that was the end? Now the closest thing I have to loving someone is a parasocial crush on someone... that I should not have fallen for. Under any circumstances. They are a bad person. Although, all "good" people ever did to me was trying to push me towards suicide, so who is surprised it ended up like this?

Even found the two with mutations; six-legged (the sixth "leg" isn't actually a functional one) and four-legged (fifth leg is not developed)!