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I have thoughts about the whole feminist anti-interrupting thing. Like I agree, men do talk over people and it is disrespectful, but I also think there are cultures, specifically Jews, where talking over each other is actually a sign of being engaged in the conversation. Itβs something I really struggle with in the south, because up in New York, even non-Jews participated in this cooperative conversation style, but down here, whenever I do it by accident, the whole convo stops and it gets called out and itβs a whole thing. Idk idk I feel like thereβs different types of interruptive like thereβs constructive interrupting where you add on to whatever is being said - helpful interrupting, and then thereβs like interrupting where you just start saying something unrelated because you were done listening. I have ADHD so Iβve def done the latter too by accident, but Iβm talking about being more accepting of the former.
I think a lot of the social mores leftists enforce around communication tend to be very white. Like Jews are not the only group of people that have distinct communication styles. Like the enforcement of turn-based communication, not raising your voice (not just in anger but also in humor or excitement), etc. itβs always interesting that the most pushback I get about how I communicate come from white people (mostly women actually, white men just give me patronizing looks because they donβt feel like they can call me out in same way). Like Iβve been teaching these workshops, and a few of them have been primarily black people, and Iβve noticed black people will also engage in cooperative interrupting (and I love it!). This isnβt a developed thought and I welcome feedback. Idk I think there should be space in leftist organizing for more diverse communication styles.
Hereβs a source:
WASHINGTON -- The next time someone accuses you of interrupting, you might want to explain that you are not being rude: You're actually enga
As a linguist: overlapping talk is not the same thing as an interruption!
An interruption is specifically intended to stop another person from speaking so you can take over. Other reasons that talk might overlap:
close latching -- how much time should I give between when you stop talking and when I start? Very close latching can feature a lot of overlaps.
participatory listening -- how do I signal to you that Iβm engaged with what youβre saying and paying attention? Do I make any noise at all, or do I limit myself to minimal βbackchannelβ noises (mm-hmm, ah, yeah), or do I fully verbalize my reactions as youβre going? Maybe even chime in along with you, if I anticipate what youβre about to say, to show how well weβre vibing?
support request -- this can shade into interruption as a form of sealioning, but if someone interjects a request like βI didnβt catch thatβ or βWhatβs that mean?β itβs not really an interruption, because theyβre not trying to end/take my turn away, theyβre inviting me to keep going with clarification/adaptation.
asides -- if thereβs more than two people involved in a conversation, a certain amount of cross-talk is probably inevitable.
The norms around these kinds of overlaps vary -- by context (we all use more audible backchannel on the phone; an interview is not a sermon is not a casual chat), by culture, and yes, by gender, which is why itβs a feminist issue. But gender doesnβt exist in a vaccuum! Some reasons overlaps might be mis-interpreted as interruptions when theyβre not intended to be:
norms about turn latching: someone whoβs not used to close-latching conversation might feel interrupted or stepped on when talking to someone who is. The converse is that someone whoβs expecting close-latching might feel the absence of it as awkward silence, withdrawal, coldness, etc.
norms about backchannel: if youβre not expecting me to provide running commentary on your story or finish your sentences (or if Iβm doing it wrong) then you might feel interrupted. But if youβre expecting that level of feedback you might feel ignored.
neurodivergence: If I have auditory processing problems, I might take longer to respond to you than youβre expecting. If I have impulse control problems, I might blurt something out as soon as I think of it, but I donβt necessarily want you to stop. If I have trouble with nonverbal or paralinguistic cues, I might not latch my turns the way you expect, or my backchannel might be timed in a way you donβt expect.
Non-native speakers of a language may need more time to process speech; may speak more slowly and with pauses in different places than native speakers; may not pick up the same cues about turn-latching and backchannel, resulting in a timing difference; may need to make more requests for support.Β
Norms around conversation tend to be super white/Western/male/NT; even among linguists, the way we talk about analyzing talk usually presupposes discrete turns, with one person who βhas the floorβ and everyone else listening. It even gets coded into our technology -- I thing the accountβs gone private, but someone recently tweeted, βFor the sake of my wifeβs family, Zoom needs to incorporate an βashkenazi jewishβ checkboxβ because the platform is programmed to try to identify a βmain speakerβ and auto-mute everyone else. Most of the progress on this front in linguistics has been pushed by Black women and Jewish women, or else weβd probably still be acting like Robertβs Rules represent the natural expression of human instincts.
And itβs very White Feminism to recognize how conversations styles have disparate impacts across gender lines without also recognizing other axes along which conversation styles vary, once that empower us as well as oppress us. Just because I feel interrupted doesnβt mean I am interrupted, and it definitely doesnβt mean I have the right to scream βEVERYBODY SHUT UP!!β until Iβm the only one talking.
I donβt ... have a great way to end this? Just that itβs good to recognize competing needs in communication, and have some humility and intentionality about whose needs gets prioritized and how.
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