the thing about ortus nigenad is that he has to be muscled to all hell, right? if his look is "broad tall fat man in his mid thirties" and the one thing he has going for him as a ninth cavalier is his ability to lug around absurd amounts of bones then that sounds like classic a strongman's build. ortus "depression" "momma's boy" "brought rpf to a gunfight" nigenad logically has to be yolked as fuck and the only reason the text never explicitly states that is because we only ever see him through the eyes of two teenaged lesbians who view him as their lame ass older brother. ortus very possibly might have been hot this whole time.
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unfortunately because of what i know about the tridentarius sisters i can't stop fucking thinking and then consequently saying out loud "mogged by the incest twins" every time coronabeth and ianthe say something questionable about-slash-to each other
The girl of all time is absolutely Gideon Nav and I can’t wait to submit her. What if your entire childhood you were a slave treated as an inconvenience at best and a cancer at worst. What if the only attention you ever got was the seething hatred of the only person even close to a peer you will ever have. What if you dreamed constantly of being recovered by the parents who abandoned you and revealed to be secret royalty. Loved. Important. Worshipped, even. Wanted. What if that was true? What if you were Jesus. What if your Father was G-d? What if you were raised up to his House, and it turned out he only ever wanted you as a corpse? A body, a tool, the soldier you always wanted to be complete with the glory but stripped of the ability to be anything but a blunt instrument? Stripped of your soul and your will to live? What if you loved the girl who hated you so much you cut open your chest and fed her the squishy bits inside? What if you were Eurydice and Orpheus couldn’t bear to look back lest he lose you, and you thought that meant he didn’t love you enough?
…and also you were Butch okay bye.
looking forward to your submission! slightly pre-emptive gideon nav girl of all time propaganda!
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The Tridentarii are noticeably taller than Gideon. We know this because we have Babs for scale #babsforscale
Gideon is one (1) inch taller than Babs (gtn p 117)
and
Corona has "half a head on" Babs (gtn p 99)
so unless I'm forgetting something and Jod gave Kiriona leg-lengthening surgery when he resurrected her, she ought to be about 2-3 inches shorter than Ianthe in your tower prince fanart <3
Notes I have on character heights! (With extrapolated headcanons / rough guesses at the end.)
Gideon is about an inch taller than Babs, and Babs is said to be "not a short young man", but Corona has "half a head on him, and a full head if you counted her hair." There was also, allegedly though I can't cite direct evidence for this one, a time Tamsyn said at an event that the twins were over 6 feet tall.
Meanwhile, Corona has about half a head on Palamedes counting her hair, indicating he's about as tall as the twins, maybe just slightly shorter considering this does still frame her as taller. Basically, if the average human head is 8-9 inches tall, I could see 4-5 give or take a bit being estimated "half". This is ofc speculation / extrapolation! But with what we're given it'd make sense for Corona to be something like 4-5 inches taller than Babs with 3-4 inches added by her hair, and in turn for her to be something like an inch or two taller than Palamedes before counting her hair.
I have not managed to catch much about Camilla's height but she's described as "compact"; whether that refers to height or to having very lean wiry muscle or a mix of things is open to interpretation.
Colum, ridiculously enough, has a full head on Ianthe when they fight, or close enough to it to estimate as full. LIKE. SURE. OKAY.
Protesilaus is significantly taller than everyone else at Canaan which is more ridiculous considering Colum, BUT SURE, OKAY.
Harrow is very tiny. She's compared to Jeannemary multiple times, Joli finds it hard to believe she's (or her body is) more than 14 at most because she's so knobbly and undergrown even by the standards of someone who's met other undergrown malnourished teens, Hot Sauce has an easier time passing for an adult than Nona does, the gang says she's such a titch that people might forget she's a grown-up, and they have to borrow clothes from the smallest BoE member they can find and then cinch those extra tight to fit her.
Ortus is pretty tall as well as broad, but where he'd compare to characters like Corona and Colum is unclear. Crux is also a really big bulky guy!
Magnus and Wake are around the same height or at least fairly close, and Wake "was not, in the end, of any great height or breadth", but it's not clear by what standard she's being measured. Like she could be 5'3" or 5'10" and still fit that description even if the latter would be pretty tall by afab standards.
Augustine is 6'0" even canonically and Alfred 5'10", as the only characters we have specific heights for. Harrow notices Augustine's height as a notable thing immediately, even when he's kneeling, which does give us a loose metric that most people probably still fall in the 5-something range. Like averages "could" have changed but this suggests they haven't.
She also specifically notices that he's taller than John and Mercy even while kneeling, which marks both as significantly shorter. And then Mercy is able to easily bury her head in John's chest at the end of HtN, which suggests she's a fair bit shorter than him. Also, she calls attention to Augustine's height, but not to G1deon's, suggesting he's not taller than Augustine, just big in a beefy way.
Pash is described as a "compact, medium-sized person", and I'd have to dig for these but I think Aim is described as on the smaller side and We Suffer as pretty average? And I already sort of said but Hot Sauce is most likely taller than Harrow/Nona. Not that that's a high bar! (People often underestimate how fast kids grow, but most 14 year olds tower over me and I'm probably slightly taller than Harrow!)
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SO with all that, some headcanons I have that AREN'T DEFINITIVE, ofc, but would roughly line up with the information we have and might be useful for helping envision the differences even if someone were to prefer moving some of the numbers a little up or down:
Gideon: 5'9" (haha 9)
Harrow: 4'9" (haha 9)
Babs: 5'8" (within amab average!)
Twins: 6'1" (not counting Corona's hair)
Pal: ... you know what I'd hc'd him 5'11" until just now but I'm gonna say 6'0" for haha 6. lanky beanpole boy
Cam and by extension Paul: I'd hc'd slightly taller til just now but I'm gonna say 5'6" for haha 6
Colum: 6'8" (sure we continue)
Pro: at least 7'0" (maybe 7'7" if you wanna be super silly lmao)
Wake: like 5'7"?
Magnus: like 5'8" or 5'9", real close to Wake but not exact, and average
John: 5'8½" (average, just slightly shorter than Gideon)
Mercy: 5'3" (dead average by afab standards, still perceived as "small" compared to a lot of the people she's around, adds to her frustration along with her high and fluting and "very young" voice and her youthful face and her love of pink with people not taking her seriously; bonus 5 + 3 = 8)
G1deon and by extension Pyrrha now: like 5'10 or 5'11"
Pash: Man I'm gonna say 5'6" because it'd be really funny for her to not quite "measure up" to Wake, for her to be annoyed by how tall Gideon is, and for her and Cam to be the same height. Alternatively 5'5" so she gets to be slightly petty-annoyed by Cam too.
Lastly as a bonus:
Not anything with a strong case here but I've also just realized it'd be really really funny if the "rankings" in Nona's gang directly correlated to height. Hot Sauce is the leader because she's the oldest and also the tallest. Honesty gets to be second because he's second tallest. We don't know how old Born or Ruby are but I could see Ruby being a little taller than Nona and Born being a little shorter, which is how Nona manages to outrank either one of them, and then at the bottom is Kevin lmao. I'm just endeared by the idea of kids using this logic and going to headcanon this now just as a treat.
Ooh some folks have been reblogging this today so a few quick additions I've caught since then + updated headcanons to match.
Cam IS described as "tall" by Gideon the first time she sees her. Nothing ever gives the impression of her as particularly towering, and Muir's note that the twins are "even taller than Palamedes" does make me think he's taller between the two of them. So I'm still picturing him 6'0" but now picturing Cam 5'10". Partly still for silly number fun (5 + 1 + 0 = 6 hehe) and partly to make Gideon seethe over Cam being One Whole Inch taller than her. 😌 Just the perfect amount to be a little petty about.
Magnus in the morgue is described as a little too tall for comfort on his slab! Given it's just a makeshift morgue and not a proper one that doesn't tell us a ton, but it does suggest Magnus is fairly tall. Compared to Wake's "not of any great height or breadth" and them being roughly the same size, I think I wanna imagine him 5'10" too (and Abigail 5'5" as a treat, all 5s and the first multiple of 5; the math bonuses work how I say they work ssh). Not super tall but pushing a little above average; I can imagine a 6 foot table he just barely fits on.
And in line with the above I now wanna imagine Wake 5'9", just to really drive home how much Gideon is her mother's daughter.
How literally did John base Alecto's body on Barbie? A big complaint about Barbie dolls is how disproportionate they actually are. If Barbie's head is scaled up to that of a normal human, she's like 7 feet tall, an H cup, and has a waist that wouldn't support her being able to stand. And we know that Alecto is insanely tall. I'm wondering if when she said "you've made me a hideousness" she isn't mad strictly about being in a human form. She's mad that it isn't a human form. When Nona draws the frog, she talks about how she talks about how it would move. The functionality is inextricable from it being a good design. A Barbie made real would not function. If Alecto is dealing with those sort of proportions, it's only her endless regeneration that keeps her going. In contrast, even Harrow's sickly, fucked up body is an actual, functioning human body. Hence why Alecto might find it so much more beautiful and a comparative relief to exist in.
rip naberius tern if there had been an available delusional straight woman among the necromancers and cavaliers at canaan she would have been obsessed with you. unfortunately everyone was queer or had standards
what kind of levels do you have to be operating on to finally meet the woman you've been pen pals with for a decade, have her act like she doesn't know you in the slightest, and not even react? and also you have your bestie there (also her pen pal) to confirm that yes you're not making this up she's completely blanking you. there's "gracefully accepting rejection" and then there's whatever the hell camilla and palamedes were on at canaan house. girl, dulcie didn't tell cytherea about your relationship on purpose, that was supposed to be a red flag...
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ianthe: harry can't POSSIBLY love you, nav; she lobotomized herself to forget about you! to love is to remember!
not five pages earlier: gideon waxing poetic about how harrow tenderly wrapped gideon's sunglasses (that harrow allegedly hated btw) and sealed them tightly in an envelope for eight months on the OFF CHANCE gideon came back in some way shape or form
gideon: yeah seems legit. i mean she didn't even seem happy when i died for her so like.
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hey guysss so unfortunately the rumors are true and im leaving the narrative. Buttt the good news is my absence will create such a gaping hole in your lives that it will become a sort of presence itself, and so in a way it will kind of be like i never left! But i am. Leaving just to be clear.
