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sun + moon = your personality
sun + rising = your auraĀ
sun + mercury = your voice
sun + mars = your drive
sun + venus = your love style
moon + venus = your heartĀ
moon + mars = your natural instinctĀ
venus + mars = your sexualityĀ
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Gay men smash the windows of San Francisco City Hall in 1979, with thousands rioting after Dan White received a verdict of voluntary manslaughter for the killing of Harvey Milk.
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Pagan pals: can anyone tell me anything about specific religions/ practices/ modes of worship that put a lot of stock into coincidences?
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@hearthglow Sorry that Iām doing this like this instead of sending a message, but this is a side blog and I want to keep religion separate from the shit-posting I do on my main blog.
I was hoping you could tell me something about worshipping Saturn: specifically: I did a bit of reading and there seems to be an awful lot of Saturn = Satan in the articles I read and no offense to satanists, but Iām not interested in worshipping Satan.
So in Roman mythology, is Saturn thought of as, you know, evil?
Seconding all of @bookhobbitās initial comments! They know their stuff too. Iām just the mouse in the library, and Iāll hop to questions no matter how you send them.
SO, first a bit of unpacking Saturnās plight, then some other info to look into:
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Saturn/Satan is one of those awkward situations where the words come from completely different languages/cultures and have zero connection. Itās kind of like conspiracy theory logic ā people will see the connection theyāre already primed to see, then project the story they want to read. The only connection is in the heads of those who are determined to believe weāre all Misled By Demons, honestly.
A moreā¦.letās say honest complication is that the Roman Saturn and the Greek Kronos are strongly associated. Many historians, polytheists, and casual readers alike come to Roman mythology/religion only after studying the Greek, where you generally find Kronos as either the bad guy in Jupiterās Origin Story or as a purely philosophic/intellectual concept. While Rome had both of those facets, they were not the ONLY facets.
One last complication is St. Augustine. He had a profound influence on early Christianity and much of his writing became theological canon; he was also neck-deep in The Discourse. Late Antiquity was a bit of a no-holds-barred intellectual smackdown, with tons of name-calling and deliberate misinterpretation and obstinacy on both sides, no matter how brilliant. By putting Augustineās contributions up on a pedestal, it not only declared him the winner but resulted in his opponentsā polytheist voices being completely silenced. He wrote about Saturn, and is in fact one of the most coherent sources on Saturn because he was directly quoting a Roman author (one of Varroās lost works)ā¦.so for hundreds of years, Saturnās academia has been biased by Augustineās callout post.
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So, ACTUAL Saturn!
Roman tradition had Saturn as an agricultural deity, and he was commonly honored in festivals and activity related to farmwork and especially the sowing of seeds. This doesnāt map neatly to the Greek Cronus at all, but was a more primary association for most Romans. This is how he connected to their lives; the lofty poetic stories were far removed, even if enjoyed.
In Romeās mythohistory, Saturn was often invoked as one of the first kings of Latium (or father of the first king, or related to the first king, or somewhere in the early lineā¦.you get the picture). He presided over a golden age, or The Golden Age, but always in a context that placed that paradise squarely in the land that would become Rome. Janus was also named among these initial kings, setting them both off as quintessentially Roman/Latin in the face of Aeneasā Trojan influence as well as wider Hellenic influences. (For Golden Age-related research, thereās an absolute ton on Virgilās picture of it and how his imagery refracted into the literature that followed.
The Temple of Saturn stood in the Roman Forum, and according to tradition was one of the oldest temples there. Though the Forum grew crowded over the years, these central temples were focal points for public worship and can speak to the divine relationships cultivated by the state. For example, no temples for Dis Pater or Proserpina, the more traditionally scary/evil deities! It also served as a treasury and was well-connected to political/governmental functions.
Io, Saturnalia! The festival was among the most joyous of the Roman calendar, as it allowed a release from the yearās toils in the dead of winter. The festival grew longer and longer over the years until it lasted an entire week, and it was one of the hardest for Christianity to stomp out. It transformed over the years, but always invoked Saturnās bounty and liberation. (Great rundown with abundant primary sources here!)
In most myths, Saturnās wife is Ops, our most bountiful lady who bestows all the worldās plenty. Not much of an āevilā connection to be found on that front.
One caveat ā Romans did kinda think Saturn enjoyed human sacrifice, now and again. You can take this at face value as a point for evil, or unpack it into a convoluted mess. But hey, this was the dude who ate Jupiter, no one ever said he wasnāt scary powerful, and other deities had demanded human sacrifices now and again. Gladiators also invoked Saturn at times, though I couldnāt say if that originated because of the sacrificial association, or arrived later and reinforced it.
In conclusion: Not Evil, just divine and beyond human comprehension and/or judgment.
Some academic sources, many full of quotes from our ancient authors:
van Nuffelen, Peter. āVarroās Divine Antiquities: Roman Religion as an Image of Truth.ā Classical Philology 105-2 (2010). A good, if rather dense, breakdown of Augustineās commentary and representation of Varroās arguments on Saturn.
Richardson, L. āThe Approach to the Temple of Saturn in Rome.ā American Journal of Archaeology 84-1 (1980). Technically about architecture, but it winds through a lot of the mythos of Saturn and his temple before ever getting to the actual architectural argument.
Schiebe, Marianne. āThe Saturn of the Aeneid: Tradition or Innovation?ā Vergilius 32 (1986). A rundown of Saturnās role in Virgilās Golden Age.
Moorton, Richard. āThe Innocence of Italy in Vergilās Aeneid.ā The American Journal of Philology 110-1 (1989). More Golden Age/Saturn interpretation, including Saturn-Jupiter implications.
Fentress, Elizabeth. āDii Mauri and Dii Patrii.ā Latomus 37-2 (1978). And finally a quick glimpse of Saturnās role over in the African provinces - he was EXTREMELY popular!
Thank you so much! That's a lot of studying for me to do! You're a legend.

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@hearthglow Sorry that I'm doing this like this instead of sending a message, but this is a side blog and I want to keep religion separate from the shit-posting I do on my main blog. I was hoping you could tell me something about worshipping Saturn: specifically: I did a bit of reading and there seems to be an awful lot of Saturn = Satan in the articles I read and no offense to satanists, but I'm not interested in worshipping Satan. So in Roman mythology, is Saturn thought of as, you know, evil?
Darken your room, shut the door, empty your mind. Yet you are still in great company - the Numen and your Genius with all their media, and your host of elementals and ghosts of your dead loves ā are there! They need no light by which to see, no words to speak, no motive to enact except through your own purely formed desire.
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The principle of reciprocity provides the proper context to the much-misinterpreted Roman religious maxim do ut des, usually translated āI give that you may give.ā Too often, even by those alert to the complexities of Roman religion, this has been read as a commercial transaction in which Roman worshippers paid their gods in advance for some benefit. This is unjust. What the maxim actually implies is the exchange of gifts as an expression of ancient rules of friendship and hospitality. Behind this conception lies a concept of an exchange of gifts between different orders of being as the bond that unites the universe. As Walter Burkert has pointed out the exchange of gifts is among the foundations of human culture, and the sharing of food and exchange of gifts remain important sources of interpersonal bonds today. [ā¦] If Pagan gods are verbs, as the Christian god is sometimes said to be, the verbs in question are some conjugation of āto give.ā
āA World Full of Gods: An Inquiry into Polytheismā by John Michael Greer (via peordh)
Any Roman polytheist? I have some questions about Saturn worship.
Should They Be Trusted? Spread (Full & 3 card version)
I made this spread a few months ago, but got caught up with life and didnāt get around to posting it here until now. Oops! This was created when an old friend suddenly tried to pop back up in my life and I looked to the cards for some advice, although it can definitely be used for new people in your life. Partners, parents, friends, that weird boss you might have- It doesnāt matter, just change āpersonā to their name or their relationship to you. I find it best to really think of this person when youāre shuffling your cards, and to think of the relationship that you might have with them at the time.
The difference between the two versions is that the full version is a bit more situation based and in depth, whereas the 3 card version is a bit more open to be used in any situation. The explanations for both spreads are below.
The words in parentheses on both spreads can be added in if the person is someone youāve had a past with.
Full SpreadĀ
*: Why is this this person coming (back) into my life? This card is an optional card, as it may not be necessary if you already know why that person is in your life. I personally include it most of the time anyway, as it may give you a message that you hadnāt known before.
1: What is this personās intentions? This card will reveal the personās true intentions at the time of the reading. Are they up to no good like you may suspect, or are they truly trustworthy?
2: Should I trust this person (again)? This card can be read as a simple yes or no answer, but I suggest really delving into it if you have the time/patience. If it is a positive card, does it show why you can trust them? Or why you cannot trust them if the card is negative?
3: Will a relationship/friendship with this person be beneficial? This card is much like the previous card, in that it can be read as a simple yes or no, but I prefer to read it as what would happen if you pursue a relationship or friendship with said person. Will it be beneficial to you in the long run, or will it be a waste of your time to even try?
4: Overall advice for the situation. This card wraps up the reading and offers you advice on what should be done regarding the other person.
3 Card Spread
1: What is this personās intentions? This card will reveal the personās true intentions at the time of the reading. Are they up to no good like you may suspect, or are they truly trustworthy?
2: Should I trust this person (again)? This card can be read as a simple yes or no answer, but I suggest really delving into it if you have the time/patience. If it is a positive card, does it show why you can trust them? Or why you cannot trust them if the card is negative?
3: Overall advice for the situation. This card wraps up the reading and offers you advice on what should be done regarding the other person.
If you have any questions about either spread, feel free to send a message!

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