Is it weird that I don't really understand where the vitriolic hate for Criston comes from, book or show?
Like so many people are so excited for him to die, when he hasn't really done anything worse, then Daemon and Daemon has way more power.
People are upset about him calling Rhaenrya a bitch/cunt, but Daemon did the same to his first wife, and worse. He also killed her! He's just as violent as Criston, just as much a misogynistic ass, and unlike Criston, he gets his heroic death.
I also think it's wrong how little people criticize the north men for the Butchers Ball. Sure, don't give Criston his hero moment, I guess, but they straight up slaughtered men who wanted to surrender. I know it's not a modern war, but if team black can use modern feminist standards to shame Alicent I think it's fair to call Rhaenryas/Cragen's army out for commiting a huge ass war crime. They could have killed Criston with arrows, then let his men surrender like they wanted--there was no need to murder them.
Racism can absolutely affect how audiences perceive actors of color playing characters, especially in fantasy where people have strong ideas about what certain characters "should" look like. A lot of poc actors playing roles that were traditionally imagined as white or silver-haired fantasy characters can face harsher scrutiny, while white actors playing those same types of characters are given more automatic acceptance. Just look at the way people reacted to the Velaryons being played by poc. The amount of backlash those actors received from parts of the fandom just shows their racism & how much race can influence the way fictional characters are perceived.
I also think it's wrong how little people criticize the north men for the Butchers Ball. Sure, don't give Criston his hero moment, I guess, but they straight up slaughtered men who wanted to surrender. I know it's not a modern war, but if team black can use modern feminist standards to shame Alicent
Exactly It’s interesting how team black stans apply modern moral standards very selectively. If we’re going to judge characters through a modern lens, then that standard has to apply consistently to everyone, not only certain characters.
This argument reminds me of someone saying “why would you support Aegon II’s claim using misogynistic laws and traditions while you live in the 21st century?” But since we live in a modern-day democratic society, then by that same logic you also shouldn’t support monarchy at all. If we’re applying 21st-century values to Westeros consistently, then it would also make sense to support bunch of peasants revolt, kill the dragons and overthrow of the entire Targaryens monarchy system, because hereditary rule based on birthright and hierarchy goes against modern democratic ideals. Team black stans need to understand that they can’t import one modern value (gender equality) to judge one side while ignoring the entire political system the story is built around. If we’re applying modern standards consistently, then the obvious conclusion wouldn’t be “Rhaenyra should rule instead” it would be questioning the whole system.