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HOUSE OF THE DRAGON S3E1
Yeah, I watch the show for the plot.
Now get the plot naked.
“Her sons were always kind”
No the fuck they weren’t
Still not over that the thing that motivated Rhaenyra to act wasn’t Jace’s death but was hearing Daemon reaffirm that fucking prophecy and seeing Daenarys.
Why can’t Rhaenyra have motivations of her own? The only thing pushing her is other people telling her what to do and the stupid prophecy. Why can’t she have emotions other than sadness and frustration?
Guess I'll just never understand why the women we get in hotd are written to have so little agency. And mind you they're Queens and Princesses. What a sad thing. All their faults get justified by misogyny, all their wants get simplified to they need to get away from misogyny. All their choices? Misogyny. Can't have them. Except when it's to give up their positions of power. They can sacrifice people they love for the greater good at any time. They'll die because they're peaceful and it's a war. They suffer the consequences of men's choices because they can't make their own. They're victims. They're privileged but they want simple things. They get sad but never angry. Angry but not enough to matter. If it matters it's because someone forced their hand. They're Madonna. Cassandra. Elizabeth I.
But they're not themselves.

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I think we all should've known without shadow of doubt the writers aren't serious about making a faithful adaptation when they straight up oc'd a character into a well recorded very inbred family tree like WHO is aerianna targaryen???? be SO serious
Phia Saban as Helaena Targaryen in 3.02 - Queen's Landing
I dropped HotD because unlike AKOTSK I don't enjoy it. I just feel like the show runners don't understand the characters and are all the place. When Alicent turned on her own children I wad done - she'd never do that.
I don't think it's on the actors at all though. They're not getting good writing & probably doing the best they can. Also Rhaenyra wasn't supposed to be a model - she had 5 sons and that changed her figure. It's kind of like how Tyrion is uglier than Peter Dinklidge.
I'm still watching HotD because it's something to do, but I also recognize that it's bad F&B fanfiction. To be frank, it doesn't seem like the showrunners understand (or at least don't care about) characterization in general, because yes, the TV characters differ drastically from the book versions, but they're also completely inconsistent and follow no internal logic. They're just kind of walking around doing shit. I'm not surprised that GRRM is salty about it.
how many times must olivia cooke endure this? and i don't simply mean alicent as a character but olivia as an actress. why are the writers so intent on using her body to simulate so many instances of sexual violation and humiliation for not only her character but she herself as well? lord jasper is executed for an entirely different reason so why was it necessary to have that scene? truly what purpose does this serve narratively? i am already so sick and tired of sexual assault being used as a plot device because i think it's lazy and ends up fetishising and perverting women's pain to the benefit of a male audience, but especially in this scenario because it is literally to no end. nothing comes of this! who and what the fuck was that scene for? free my girl!
secondly, i don't know that i've ever made this clear but i quite despise rhaenyra's character. and yes, i've read the books. i understand she's worse there. and what if i told you i don't care? her characterization in this show is fucking pathetic. why is she more sympathetic to the people that started this entire war than to her own allies? why is she not allowed to be vengeful? to be mad? to be cruel to the people that have taken so much from her? why does she somehow have more venom for the people trying to protect her and fight for her cause? why must every other character be stripped of everything that makes them who they are in order to make her look more magnanimous and sympathetic? when in the end, she justifies every reason as to why there is belief that she should not rule.
it's already bad enough that the effects of rhaenyra's mistakes are pawned off to other characters to sanitise her while the mechanics behind the most critical, pivotal moments of the plot have all been resigned to mishaps and misunderstandings of those other characters because now can anyone point to a single fucking person in this show and tell me, with conviction, what is their motive to do any of the things they do?
i'm supposed to believe alicent, who we've seen slash rhaenyra's arm for the injustice aemond suffers, who has told aegon "living or breathing, you are the challenge", who shields him with her own body when meleys emerges from the dragon pit, who answers "you idiot" to aegon questioning whether or not she loves him because it's so obvious and inevitable as the knowledge that the sun rises in the east—this is who i'm supposed to believe is selling out both sons to die by the hands of the woman she has spent decades detesting? she is suddenly so frightened and horrified at the reality of war only WEEKS IN that she forfeits her own children's lives? if anything, why does that not make her more intent on ensuring their survival?
alicent is nothing if not dutiful. she was once ambitious and righteous but #that man stripped her of that, set fire to her agency and cunning and then called it feminism and we all mourned. she may not be the most emotionally intelligent mother. she may not know how to show them she cares but she bleeds as they bleed. she cries for helaena because of what they've done to her girl. she sees aegon burned and broken and she asks if her son is going to die with so much fear and despair in her voice. why is rhaenyra the only mother on this show allowed to consider her children? allowed to fester in her own grief? although i have to admit that even then, they won't allow her to let that ebbing harden and be honed, as is of characteristic of grief, because the writers ,for some reason or the other, think angry, rageful women are impossible to sympathise with and this episode proved it.
helaena, most egregiously, is largely unaffected by jaehaerys' death. unlike her book counterpart, she does not desire to be queen nor she does not sink into such debilitating despair after b&c that she loses grasp of reality. but what then is left of her? and the answer is absolutely nothing. there is no grief, there is no urgency, there is no rage. there is quite literally nothing at all. the writers want me to believe this is innocence but frankly, i think it's cruelty. this just makes it seem like she had no regard for her son at all.
and in all of this, rhaena, baela and house velaryon are still who i grieve for most. i do not understand how any of them are still on rhaenyra's side and why the writers seem to hold their black characters in such contempt if not complete disregard. baela doesn't even really mourn jace and we're already setting her up with that loser ass baldie??? she brought jace back five minutes ago. why is she just #fine?
rhaena, by definition, was the only truly innocent targaryen in the dance. and it's not simply because she didn't have a dragon. book helaena took dreamfyre to the skies on her coronation day and wrote to rhaenyra asking her to swear fealty to aegon. she did not object to her half-sister's usurpation. but they're setting up rhaena of all people as the one who is to blame for jace's death (book rhaenyra ordered jace to fight in the gullet btw). they're using rhaena as a scapegoat for what was originally rhaenyra's orders and whitewashing helaena of her allegiance to rhaenyra's usurper at the cost of rhaena's innocence. i think this is the most upsetting thing to me because why can they not let a black female character exist as a beacon of feminity and gentleness as she was in the written material? even nettles, who was fierce and loud and brave, was not foolish or even morally grey. they've taken two beautiful and capable female characters, despite being nothing alike, merged them, and then turned the audience against her when neither of those characters were even remotely unlikeable to begin with!
they've also robbed rhaena of lady arryn's genuine care and consideration when contrary to the bullshit they put on my screen, even show lady arryn would have more reason to take rhaena in, after rhaenyra was incredibly disrespectful and did not uphold her side of the deal with the vale. rhaena is the king consort's daughter. who genuinely believes she's at any real risk of death?
this episode annoyed me more than any other in the whole show, i think. it was so anticlimactic and cheap for how fucking long they've been building up to this.
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Where is the Queen of the Smallfolk?
Last season Helaena spoke to Alicent about the woes of the smallfolk and how it makes her feel like her own problems are miniscule compared to theirs. So quite frankly I don't get why Hess regressed Helaena into acting shocked that she can give queenly commands. She seemed ready in season 2.
The season 2 episode 3 scene between Alicent and Helaena was good set up for Helaena, Queen of the Smallfolk. Helaena didn't need cajoling into ordering her own soldiers to stand down and not engage Rhaenyra's dragons, as that would only escalate violence and bring harm to the smallfolk.
Instead, we have Helaena standing back as Alicent gives orders on her behalf! Even her men looked at her wondering, shouldn't this be your command, my Queen? Straight from your mouth?? I dislike how Hess depicts Helaena as someone that needs Alicent to embolden her there.
Helaena didn't have the public funeral royal progress scene with Jaehaerys' body, the bemoaning the woes of the smallfolk scene in the episode after that, confronting Aemond for bringing trouble scene in the THRONE room in episode 5 (a room that emphasizes HER authority as Queen over Aemond) just for Helaena to still be nonchalant about using her queenly authority in season 3!!!
Why do the writers write as if they've not watched the previous seasons that they themselves wrote? Where is Helaena's growth and agency that she EARNED last season??? Why is Alicent still overshadowing her?
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LOL. I agree with the 2 minute rant.
They're using Helaena's neurodivergence as a reason to render her a politicaly insignificant oracle. Don't let them fool you.
At Aegons coronation, they erased Dowager Queen Alicent placing her crown on her daughter's head and calling Helaena her queen.
We know that Helaena was happier before she became queen, but that's after Jaehaerys died. Before that, Helaena doesn't express her opinions and feelings on her ascension or the political scenario.
During Blood and Cheese, Helaena offers her necklace for Jaehaerys' life. Her NECKLACE. In the book, she offers her LIFE. They changed so much of the scene, whole characters aren't where they're supposed to be, but they couldn't leave in a line that shows Helaena is willing to die for her LITTLE CHILDREN, like many mothers would, including neurodivergent ones.
In the book, when forced to choose a son to be murdered under horrible threats made to her daughter, Helaena chooses Maelor to die instead of Jaehaerys. It could be because Maelor was younger and didn't have the awareness that Jaehaerys had, but Helaena's choice ultimately prioritises the life of her firstborn, Aegon's heir. It's a political move. In the show, she's so far removed from politics, the only thing she does that remotely comes close is being forced to parade her son's body around the city.
Then, they refuse to let her call Jaehaerys by his name, instead she calls him "the boy", and people argue that it's because she's in shock, but no other character calls Jaehaerys by his name UNTIL Helaena herself says "I'm sad for Jaehaerys but I ought not to. Children die all the time" in the most dismissive way possible. She doesn't ugly cry. She doesn't sob or scream or express her pain. Her devastating grief is conveniently opted out, and episodes later she is ready to be the cryptical catch-you-in-a-lie targaryen oracle. She doesn't ride her dragon to assist the war efforts, not because she's spiralled into depression and what is crudely called madness, but because she doesn't like to ride, as per Rhaenyra, and if she's ought not to be sad, she can't be enraged or vengeful either, because it would be just as inconvenient and wrong, and she's a pacifist with a sensitive soul that shouldn't be corrupted by her evil brother.
An angry mob of smallfolk throws fish at her and Alicent, when she was notoriously beloved by them in the book.
Her authority as Queen Consort is constantly ignored, bypassed and disrespected by her own mother, when Helaena outranks her.
Why is no one campaigning for Helaena to use the power her position gives her?
They made her a vessel for the prophecy, a plot with so many holes it's become swiss cheese.
Not interested in politics? She's neurodivergent. Doesn't offer her life for her children? She's neurodivergent. Is not consumed by grief? Neurodivergent. Doesn't like to fly on her dragon that she claimed at what, eleven years old?
Who knows why.
Here’s my problem with this scene:
We’re supposed to view Helaena agreeing with Alicent as proof that her decision to betray the Greens is completely justified.
Problem is C&H have written Helaena to be a simpleton, not a voice of reason and common sense. This isn’t even me being rude, it’s a fact. By implying she’s on the spectrum (in the most ableist way imaginable I might add) they have created a character who views the world through the eyes of a child and has no concept of the real world.
Helaena has only known a life of wealth and privilege, her romanticising the idea that she can “keep chickens” is the exact same poverty porn Marie Antoinette did with her fake village. Neither queen knows the first thing about keeping chickens or living in abstract poverty, it’s just play pretend for them.
So this scene doesn’t actually prove Alicent right, instead it highlights just how stupid she truly is to genuinely think two noblewomen with 0 life skills could hack it in the real world.
It’s honestly just another example of C&H being such a terrible writers the audience once again had the exact opposite reaction to what they intended 🤷🏽♀️.

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i’m honestly over Helaenas characterization, they don’t allow her to mourn her son, she doesn’t interact with any of her siblings even her husband, she apparently uses her powers to help Daemon the man responsible for her sons death while she leaves her family to flounder. she has no personality it’s like they took everything people hated about late GoT Bran Stark, recycled it and are hiding behind the excuse that she’s “neurodivergent coded”, i’ve seen people claim her dreamer arc starts in season three but her arc should’ve already begun.
as if the infantilization of her couldn’t get any worse. Helaena choosing not to involve herself in politics is fine but acting like she doesn’t even know wtf is happening and her childish way of speaking, she’s just a caricature of an autistic girl.
if Helaena was paralyzed with grief as she was in the books and that’s why she was so out of it that would be one thing but again she seems to have no problem with her sons killer being in her home, she doesn’t seem to even be affected by it anymore.
End of episode 2 all I can think is ‘wow, both of you are really pathetic’ Alicent and Rhaenyra are being dragged kicking and screaming to do any plot.
At this point it doesn’t even seem like the show is pushing a women want peace narrative, it’s pushing that women are shit rulers.