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Imagine if a like 8 foot tall guy that looked kinda like an alien species just kinda showed up at the house you rent a room in and crashed on the couch and at first everyone hated him but you kinda just accepted this weird massive kinda-human alien species thing as a part of your group even though he's like twice the size of everyone else there
So there's two species of sea lion in North America: the California sea lion, ranging along California (including Baja) but not ranging into the north coast or into oregon
And the Stellar's sea lion, which are WAY bigger and live in Washington, British Columbia, and Alaska
A male Stellars sea lion showed up in SF like a month ago and just kinda. Didn't know what to do, and joined a colony of California sea lions, and is just kinda chilling there now.
Weird vagrant species happen from time to time, but this is just a particularly funny instance of a highly social species getting very lost, and just trying to blend in with its closest nearby relatives
(If your first thought upon reading this was "okay, you're just doing a bit, right? Surely you didn't actually have a playtest group who assumed that everything with a labelled slot on the character sheet was fair game and was letting players tag their pronouns for bonuses?": welcome to the world of technical writing.)
I don't think you actually have a playtest group who assumed that. I think, considering who you are and the kind of people you and your game attract, you have a playtest group who argued they could tag their pronouns for bonuses for the love of the game.
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I'll also bring up some interesting dialouge when Kris thinks about the knight that does have some implications:
"(The image of the Knight beganΒ to fade into your mind.)
(The image changes... theΒ helmet begins to come off.)"
This implies that the Antlers might be fake, merely attached to the helmet and not actual antlers. Which can tie into the whole "Dess is the knight" and "Dess wears antlered headband" things. It might even explain why the knight's antlers are so different from the other holidays (including Dess's) if they were never real antlers in the first place.
In chapter 4 too, we got a pun from one of the enemies (Bibliox) that ties Souls with the concept of shoes ("Human soles, monster soles, Book soles...") Which feels relevant considering this is the same chapter where we see Dess's pile of shoes and Dess's piles of [heart-shaped objects].
I thought I'd do this one first before working on a third post to my theory. Lots of people have misconceptions regarding Dess thanks to a combination of genuine red herrings that have been put into the game, or simply fan assumptions getting in the way of factual information regarding what we know of Dess. So lets explore the character of Dess Holiday as she actually appears in Deltarune right now, and clear a few of these up.
SPOILERS FOR ALL OF DELTARUNE BELOW.
DESS REBELLED AGAINST HER FAMILY
This one is due to the fact that we see Dess's room in Chapter 4, which gives off a punk vibe, and then almost immediately afterwords we're introduced to Carol and how controlling she is. It is very easy to fill in the gaps, but at no points are we ever actually given the characterization that Dess rebelled against her family. In fact, Chapter 5 and the way Noelle talks about Dess to Kris over the game as a whole, specifically implies she was well loved.
Lets take a look at Dess's room, shall we?
It definitely gives off punk vibes. Between the posters and stop sign on the wall, and the drastically different color scheme to the rest of the Holiday Manor.
Examining Dess's room reveals a bunch of different items. To quote the game:
It's Dess's bed. UnderneathΒ are army rations, guitar picks,Β paintball gear, ice skates...
... and a badly traced drawingΒ of a dragon.
Rollerblades, wiffle bat.Β Looking at these things makesΒ your head hurt.
A violin, a flute, aΒ microphone...
They all look very expensive,Β and very dented.
It's an oversized walk-inΒ closet.
It's covered in band posters,Β and some handmade posters...
... for shows that may or mayΒ not have ever happened.
It's a shelf. In the front areΒ all the holiday-themed gamesΒ and movies...
... and at the back are allΒ the scary games you never gotΒ to play.
It's a CD player. UnderneathΒ are tons of punk rock CDs...Β and one still-sealed ska CD.
It's a computer. The monitorΒ is unplugged.
It's a hockey puck. Looks likeΒ it would hurt.
It's reasonable to assume a few things from all of this. Dess unquestionably liked music. Music related things are all over her room, which fits with Tenna calling her a musical prodigy in Chapter 3. There's a lot of sports stuff, so she was probably very active. She had some band posters, which we know from Chapter 5 that she was in a band with Asriel and Kris. And we do see some survival stuff in there as well.
Her room is untidy, disorganized, and clashes with the rest of the Holiday Manor. But there's nothing to suggest that she herself was rebelling against her family. The assumption comes in because we see Carol moments later, and she's very controlling. Especially towards Noelle.
We don't actually hear much regarding Dess's relationship with her family. Most characters in the game don't speak of Dess when a non-family member is present. However, Noelle speaks very fondly of Dess whenever it's just Kris around. What few lines Rudy does say of Dess, when it's just Kris around, are also positive. The photo book in Chapter 5 also shows a positive relationship between Dess and her father:
If someone was rebelling against their family, would they be doing a square dance with them?
It's possible that Dess rebelled against Carol specifically. We don't really know; the game doesn't say one way or another. What we DO see in game is that:
Guests were not allowed in Dess's room.
Noelle acts as if the room itself is meant to be preserved, and Susie was the reason she stayed in the room waiting for the "mouse."
Carol was clearly upset that Susie was playing the guitar, and Noelle tried to excuse it by saying that Noelle herself wanted to hear it. Implying that it wasn't just about the Shelter code.
At the very least, at no point does the game tell us that Dess was rebelling against her family. She might have been a bit of a punk, and we can't determine if she butted antlers with Carol, but what little we see suggests her family thought positively of her. Speaking of which...
DESS WAS ONLY GIFTED WITH THE GUITAR
I saw this one come up a few times both at Reddit and Tumblr. I assume it probably comes from people seeing the dented instruments in Dess's room. There is, to quote, "a violin, a flute, aΒ microphone" that are all very expensive, and apparently dented too, in addition to her guitar.
Dess is said in Chapter 3 to be a musical prodigy by Tenna, and he explicitly calls attention to her guitar AND her singing ability. I made a whole post on music, it's connection to Ralsei and Noelle, and what it means for my Ralsei and Dess theory.
One of the things I noted, however, is that the Holiday Manor has a piano present in it. When you go up to it, Susie will ask if Noelle plays it. And Noelle indicates, hesitantly, that she doesn't, and that "No one really... plays it anymore."
If you look at Deltarune's story, you'll see that the Holidays will openly discuss Dess whenever it's just Kris around. But whenever a third party is present (such as Susie) they will no longer address her by name. In Noelle's case, she simply stops bringing up her sister entirely. The entire scene at Noelle's house is a case of this, and is consistent with Noelle not bringing up her sister. She doesn't tell Susie who the room belonged to, and she doesn't tell Susie who the guitar belonged to either. Even when faced with getting in trouble with Carol.
Noelle is telling us, in her own way, that Dess is the person who most likely played this piano. It's very unlikely that the Holidays had a piano just for Kris, after all.
DESS WAS ABUSIVE TO KRIS
This one is complicated. The game makes it clear that Dess was overly protective of Noelle. Kris used to prank Noelle, as was noted in Chapter 1, and Dess responded by whacking Kris with a wiffle bat. This is again referenced in Chapter 2 should you do nothing at the Annoying Mouse Puzzle, where Noelle makes it clear that Dess would have protected her from Kris's pranks. And of course, if you examine the objects in Dess's room, you get this line:
Rollerblades, wiffle bat.Β Looking at these things makesΒ your head hurt.
For those unfamiliar, Wiffle Ball is basically a version of baseball where the bats are hollowed out and made of plastic, and the balls are light, plastic, and have holes in them. While you could certainly still hurt someone with these things, especially if you whacked them constantly with the bat, they are much less dangerous than a regular baseball bat.
As we see in Chapter 5, however, Dess was on good terms with Kris. The trio of Dess, Kris, and Asriel formed a band. Something that Pizzpants mentioned:
You wouldn't really form a band with someone you were abusive to, or that you disliked.
Likewise, Noelle mentions in Chapter 2 that the four of them (Dess, Asriel, Kris, and Noelle) were always exploring. There is a scene in Chapter 2 where she mentions this to Kris, and talks about the nostalgia of exploring the forest behind the graveyard. You can also see the photo book of the four of them performing together at past festivals too.
Long story short, the game makes it clear that Dess was protective of Noelle from Kris's pranks. But there's no indication that Dess was outright abusive towards Kris. They played in a band together, explored together, did activities as kids together. Heck, Kris seems to have pranked her too at least once.
Speaking of the fact that they were kids...
DESS AND ASRIEL ARE COLLEGE AGE
This one is a fanart issue mostly, and I don't say this as a knock against fanart. I personally love them and spend hours browsing Tumblr. However, most fanart portray Dess and Asriel as being college age. Often significantly older than Kris and Noelle.
But Toriel sets the record straight early on in chapter 1. They probably were only a couple years older, at best.
Those who did the Thank You ARG for Chapter 5's Weird Route determined in the second round that Noelle is probably 16 years old in the game proper. If you answered "16 years", you got:
Then, "It was the first time she ever smiled in her life."
Seeing as Asriel is at university now, it is safe to assume he is probably 18 to 20 years old, and thus 2 to 4 years older than Kris and Noelle. Chapter 5 confirmed he was romantically interested in Dess, and that they won Festival King and Queen. Realistically, the two of them were probably not much older than Kris and Noelle.
Especially if Kris, Asriel, and Dess were all in a band. And ESPECIALLY if Toriel still had to use parental controls to lock Dess out of music videos she wasn't suppose to see!
Speaking of those music videos, there's one last thing we need to check.
KRIS LOOKED UP TO DESS AS AN OLDER SISTER FIGURE.
This one is a maybe in terms of if it's true or not. We don't really know if Kris looked up to Dess or not. Part of this information comes from Tenna, who states:
Dess, rocking her guitar and singing along with those nasty, nasty songs!
Given that the Dark World in Chapter 3 was created by Kris, and that Tenna is trying to make them laugh and smile again, there's a possibility that Kris did find Dess cool. Given that Dess is most likely the reason for the piano in the Holiday Manor, and that Kris is a pianist and plays that piano in Chapter 4, it's entirely possible they learned from or because of Dess.
But we're never given any further information regarding this. Kris rarely brings up Dess in the narration until we explore Dess's room in Chapter 4, and it isn't until the festival in Chapter 5 that we see Kris bring her up any more.
So we can't really say "Kris looked up to Dess like an older sister figure" yet. It might be true, but we don't know.
The rest of this misconception seems to come from DessKnight theories and speculation. Many of Kris's poses are similar to that of the Knight. But as we don't know the Knight's identity at this time, we can't use this as proof that Kris looked up to Dess.
SUMMARY
I'm not going to address the elephant in the room that is the Roaring Knight any further. Chapter 5 did a number on all existing Roaring Knight theories, and talking about it goes against the point of this post.
Instead, I wanted to show what the game is explicitly telling us about the girl known as December "Dess" Holiday. Not what is a red herring. Not what is fan theories or a fan creations. But what we can actually confirm from scenes in the game, and only drawing assumptions when they're explicitly logical (such as Asriel's age.)
It's easy to miss the forest for the trees, get lost where the forest would grow, and follow the pointed tail instead. But we do have an idea of what Dess was actually like, and what her relationship with others in game was like.
i already posted about her dialogue in the gerson fight, but for the purposes of this post i'll put it here along with the fountain dialogue.
THIS. this is why she's seemingly reverted back to being sillygoofy. it's a facade. she is shoving her emotions down and trying to be the rock for ralsei and kris to lean on.
she's trying to preserve the good times, should they get ripped away by the final prophecy. to have something good to look back on, in case the worst case scenario comes and she (likely) has to sacrifice herself. which...
... seems all too likely.
she reassures her friends that they will find a way to break the prophecy, and gerson encourages her to as well, but. does she really, truly believe she can?
she boldly and brazenly stated her intention to take noelle with her to the festival in chapter 4, but i believe it was the final prophecy that gave her the motivation to finally, really, pursue her affections for noelle. it could have just been a cute date, a fun teenage memory to look back on...
... but what if her time's running out?
what if she can't stop the final prophecy from happening?
she needs to tell noelle how she feels...
... before it all comes crashing down.
(side note: susie's sprite looking down here strikes at my heart every time.)
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This JUST occured to me, and could be nothing, but in examining the Dess Red Soul theory while replaying the game, I can't help but overthink everything. It is an aobsrvable trend that flavor text changes in tone chapter by chapter. It's like chapter 1 is trying to trick players into thinking they are Kris, until they break out, and then as the chapters go on, the flavor text gains more and more personality and distance from kris. Compare the examining mirror lines, from "It's only you" in chapter 1, all the way to chapter 5, where the flavor text narration asks who the person in the mirror even is. My addition/observation to this is...
What if, instead of the proposed years of Kris+Dess alliance until we take control of the soul... Dess was *silent*. Kris had a new soul, but not a new personality/voice? It served to keep them alive but there simply was no Dess? It would add to Kris avoiding Noelle and self-isolating, not because it's Dess controlling Kris, but Kris guilty because she is gone and they blame themselves, and it's entirely them choosing it.
What if Dess's voice coming back is part of this processes, even key to Dess's revival? If our leveling up, our getting stronger, is somehow repairing Dess's soul, giving her life and restoring her voice, with the goal of returning her soul into her body stored somewhere else, like in the shelter? This could open up new permutations of knight theories, like the knight being similar to a messed-up duskner, but for a human corpse that craved being a deer monster, not just a dead monster revived by someone who did not know them, like the old man statue.
The extra tagedy here, then, is that perhaps just as we cannot hear Kris, they cannot hear Dess's narration to us, so they don't know how the plan is progressing, if at all; She is coming to life to us but cannot talk to Kris? I dunno. This idea provides me an important amount of motive for Carol and Kris to not only have the red soul around, with us in control, but to let us explore dark worlds and get stronger. That's been missing in a LOT of theories and the overal analysis of the narrative; why, is this allowed to happen? Why are we being presented obstacles to clear if our opposition is the ones setting up the obstacles? If our guidance is bringing Dess's soul back to life that gives me a better sense of motive for just about everything.
But as the person who introduced me to this idea, maybe even came up with it, what do you think, @shattered-cage ?
Carefully explaining to my elite catgirl infantry for the fifteenth time that polearm unit tactics only work if everyone in the unit is wielding the same polearm. One of them showed up with a Bohemian ear-spoon. Where did she even get that.
So I just simultaneously did, and possibly didn't lose my job today :)
Very much did in the sense that I literally do not know where my job is at the moment. But, for the time being I haven't been let go because nobody else including the store owner knows where it is either.
So, I don't wanna risk doxxing myself by posting pictures but goddamn am I tempted because this is not a believable event. This is a cartoon problem. For looneytoons.
But yeah, so, I work(ed?) at a kiosk selling boba tea, right? Freestanding kiosk in the mall with full water and electrical hookups and multiple fridges and sinks and a mini kitchen and the works. Fully functional tea shop. Very important to note that it was there last night, The work chat was discussing another issue last night at closing time. I'll get back to this.
It's been showing signs of being on the way out with how business is being handled lately and I've been considering other options, which is probably why I'm not as torn up about this as I should be, but maybe it just hasn't set in yet, but that's not the point. The point is there's been a lot of shit breaking and not being replaced and nobody mentioning anything about it until I walk into work in the morning and have to figure out why shit like the fucking cash register isn't there today. So I'm kinda used to having to ask questions about big things that nobody bothered to update me on. I was out for two weeks recovering from a surgery, so I came to work this morning assuming there'd be some kind of bullshit, yeah?
So, the question I had to ask the chat this morning was:
Not a text I ever thought I'd have to send in sincerity, but there it is. Because what I found instead was a fenced off patch of discolored tiles and a few holes in the floor where my entire place of employment used to be.
And the answer? Nobody knows! It was there last night when the mall closed, and every single trace of the structure and all its contents including drink making supplies and our safe and cashbox was gone when it opened again. And when I say nobody knows, I mean everyone from last night's closers to the actual (former?) owner of the store jad no fucking clue about this until getting that text from me this morning. For once I am actually the first to know. π.
So. I guess I didn't so much lose my job as had it stolen. Not by AI, but good old fashioned hands-on human beings picking it up and carrying it away somehow. All mall security would tell me was that they were instructed not to tell me anything and have us contact our management. Who also don't know anything. And later on I came across some construction workers around the gravesite of the kiosk discussing filling in the holes, asked them about it, and was told that they "weren't at liberty to say".
So, not only is my job gone in the most literal physical sense of the word, but it was taken in some kind of super secret kiosk extraction in the dead of night without any warning or witnesses and nobody is allowed to speak of it. The store owner said she was gonna figure it out 10 hours ago and still no word back.
I don't know what else to say aside from I've been laughing all day and I'm gonna have a hell of a time explaining Schrodinger's Unemployment to the benefits office.
Update that is not an update because I'm basically certain this isn't what actually happened:
My mother in law thinks the FBI took it.
Not any of the other stores around the state. Just the one little kiosk.
Why? Because she loves a conspiracy and is just a little bit extra.
Also because she was around for the massive crackdown on Yakuza-owned businesses in Waikiki (in her homestate) that did actually involve the FBI seizing stores (no confirmation of making kiosks cleanly disappear in the middle of the night though).
Still no word from my job on what's actually going on, but the most likely theory so far is that maybe the kiosk was on lease and got repossessed? The mystery continues
(also shout out to the person who proposed Carmen Sandiego)
According to the owner, based on what she's been able to find out, the kiosk was not removed legally and they're starting a potentially long process of legal action. I hope she gets to sue the shit out of whoever did it but for now at least I know for sure I'm unemployed.
Really hoping for more details in terms of who/why/how, so I'll keep updating if I learn anything.
For now the summary is: An unnamed entity that is most likely mall management (on account of mall security cooperating with them) stole an entire kiosk and all the contents including money and machinery with barely a trace in the middle of the night grinch-style, with zero warning or explanation, and ensured the silence of both security and the construction crew, in an action that was definitely preplanned and illegal, and as far as I know nobody knows its whereabouts.
So now I'm officially out of a job. Because my workplace was literally stolen in the night.
Actually fuck it let's share some photos cause I wouldn't be inclined to believe this myself. It's not like anyone can stalk me at my job now and I'm not gonna have to see any coworkers that might find my tumblr.
Enjoy the unintentionally funniest text I've ever sent in my life
Aaand a close-up:
The last remains of a once Very Much Solid And Immobile Workplace
they dug them up last night - a deltarune fanfic by acaciapines
The next day, Kris and Noelle donβt come to school. Toriel has a frantic, hushed conversation with Ms. Alphys out in the hallway before pulling Susie out there to ask her about the festival and stuff. Susie tells the truth: Kris wanted to talk to Noelle at the lake, Susie went off, when she came back they werenβt there and probably had gone home. Toriel frets and says nothing and keeps saying nothing even when Susie, some sort of fear seizing up in her gut, asks, are they okay?
Three days later they find the bodies.
(Susie and Dess, alone in the aftermath.)
trips into tumblr. hey. so i finished my weird route fic. its about susie and dess. because i am nothing if not predictably thinking about dess. and i've always been really fascinated by what their dynamic might look like. i hope you are too!!!
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Transmasc Dess would name himself Dasher and go by Dash.
Named after one of Santa's reindeer to feel closer to his dad, named after the one that's the fastest and most daring in the story, and it's not too much of a stretch for people.
In the Rudolph version of the story, Dasher just wordlessly disappears from the picture because he was supposed to lead the sleigh. Kind of fits thematically.