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I decided to make a design for Dess

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Conceptual Dess with glasses as inspired by Noelle’s reaction to receiving the SethSpecs.
Lowkey it would be really cool if Dess had glasses because she seemed to be sporty and I don’t see enough sporty characters with glasses nowadays
Anyway pigtail Dess supremacy
Alternate versions under the cut
"Uuu, My color changed! Does my name change, too?!"
The Impossibility Himself – The Definitive Case for Ralsei being Kris’s Horned Headband, And The Implications Arising Thereof
The topic of what Ralsei’s light world object is has consumed Deltarune theorists for almost as long as the game has been out… the first and most storied theory being that of Kris’s old horned headband that Toriel refers to at the end of Chapter 1. Initially, the case seemed open-and-shut, but as more chapters have been released and the scope of Ralsei’s powers has expanded beyond what we could reasonably have expected, this was called into question as the logistics of what he could do didn’t seem to tether him to a singular object at a singular point in space. How, after all, could an inanimate object be expected to travel to distant dark worlds by itself? And how could he “belong” everywhere and be immune to petrification?
You know, given how Chapter 5 has created the implication that Kris originally possessed a Patience soul, I feel the need to revisit something from Chapter 4 - namely, Dess' closet.
As we can see behind her other shirts/jackets, Dess had a green-and-yellow striped shirt, just like Kris wears. While I could say that this is just another instance of Dess having nabbed some of Asriel's clothing (given how Kris' clothes are implied to be hand-me-downs from him), it seems different; similar to how the shoes fitted for hooves in Dess' room are specifically not in the same place she keeps all her other shoes (thereby implying that those shoes weren't for Dess herself), the shirt is properly put up on a hanger, implying that the shirt actually belonged to her. And that does make sense; after all, we know from Undertale that Asriel and Chara wore the same sweater design and were best friends, just like how in Deltarune Asriel was best friends and maybe in a relationship with December.
Kris originally had a cyan soul rather than a red soul, and their Chara-design shirt was a hand-me-down from Asriel rather than their own outfit. December wore the same shirt as Chara, has a pile of shoes fitted for human feet, and has a pile of red hearts in her closet.
...I think we've all been bamboozled, and Chara's parallel in Deltarune is Dess, not Kris.

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this whole dialogue tree is Really interesting. but I want to say that I think this might play into the idea that Kris wont Loose their hand. Just get holes in them something I've had basically ever since chapter 3&4 drooped. or like a week after
I also think this gives more credit to my Idea that Dess and Friend are connected.
She was the one giving Friend protein.... or maybe just feeding them.... Eggs?
this also works well with Dess being the knight. If Dess was like... taking care of FRIEND. and they have been "gnawing" on their hands..... It would explain the holes. Something that Kris will also probably get Also The dialogue says that cats might might make people go hide and change appearance (or something like that)
Hide? like... In a shelter? Change your appearance?
(also this is obvious but before someone points it out. Gaster also has holes in their hand) ((probably)) (((.... if the "mystery man? even is Gaster... which he probably is)))
What if December Holiday was an adopted human, Just like Kris?
(If you saw the variant where I forgot to color in Dess’s arms and where she was paper white in both variants, no you didn’t)
ermm, who the heck is this...!
The gray haze is always greener on the other side. So why can't we switch it up, and paint it all red?
Red Soul Dess idea
This JUST occured to me, and could be nothing, but in examining the Dess Red Soul theory while replaying the game, I can't help but overthink everything. It is an aobsrvable trend that flavor text changes in tone chapter by chapter. It's like chapter 1 is trying to trick players into thinking they are Kris, until they break out, and then as the chapters go on, the flavor text gains more and more personality and distance from kris. Compare the examining mirror lines, from "It's only you" in chapter 1, all the way to chapter 5, where the flavor text narration asks who the person in the mirror even is. My addition/observation to this is... What if, instead of the proposed years of Kris+Dess alliance until we take control of the soul... Dess was *silent*. Kris had a new soul, but not a new personality/voice? It served to keep them alive but there simply was no Dess? It would add to Kris avoiding Noelle and self-isolating, not because it's Dess controlling Kris, but Kris guilty because she is gone and they blame themselves, and it's entirely them choosing it. What if Dess's voice coming back is part of this processes, even key to Dess's revival? If our leveling up, our getting stronger, is somehow repairing Dess's soul, giving her life and restoring her voice, with the goal of returning her soul into her body stored somewhere else, like in the shelter? This could open up new permutations of knight theories, like the knight being similar to a messed-up duskner, but for a human corpse that craved being a deer monster, not just a dead monster revived by someone who did not know them, like the old man statue. The extra tagedy here, then, is that perhaps just as we cannot hear Kris, they cannot hear Dess's narration to us, so they don't know how the plan is progressing, if at all; She is coming to life to us but cannot talk to Kris? I dunno. This idea provides me an important amount of motive for Carol and Kris to not only have the red soul around, with us in control, but to let us explore dark worlds and get stronger. That's been missing in a LOT of theories and the overal analysis of the narrative; why, is this allowed to happen? Why are we being presented obstacles to clear if our opposition is the ones setting up the obstacles? If our guidance is bringing Dess's soul back to life that gives me a better sense of motive for just about everything. But as the person who introduced me to this idea, maybe even came up with it, what do you think, @shattered-cage ?
Interesting interpretation. I'd have to sit on it more, since it's radically different to where my head is currently at with the SOUL thing, but I don’t see anything to contradict this; totally plausible. The only thing holding me back is I’m a total subtext slut and Kris being completely “in the dark” about dess feels… a little less interesting and agentic? it feels more like 'things happening' as opposed to the conflict of “oh shit she’s gone” and “oh shit she’s coming back”. plus the weird route in general… but yeah tbh you actually do a great job of presenting this in a way that is narratively compelling.
not because it's Dess controlling Kris, but Kris guilty because she is gone and they blame themselves,
Thing is, I'd imagine these two would see Dess as 'gone' either way, but not even having her voice in Kris's mind would make her 'more gone,' so that's fair. Personally, I feel like having concrete proof of a shred of Dess being there, but locked in Kris's mind with no real way of removing her or letting others talk to/be assured of her existence feels... scarier, and a little more compelling, perhaps. But again that may just be because I've given it significantly more thought than the alternative
Why are we being presented obstacles to clear if our opposition is the ones setting up the obstacles?
That's the question to be asking. It's the same principle behind why I'm so staunchly convinced the Weird Route is a trap. However, if we take that as a given, i.e. once that trap has been laid and the Knight is thrust back into the 'main route'... then yeah, there needs to be SOMETHING driving this 'open fountain, close fountain' process. You mention in the other post the Knight knowing in Chapter Four their fountain wouldn't bring about the Roaring, and this idea of reforging and strengthening Dess within Kris does provide an explanation there.
What if Dess's voice coming back is part of this processes, even key to Dess's revival? If our leveling up, our getting stronger, is somehow repairing Dess's soul, giving her life and restoring her voice, with the goal of returning her soul into her body stored somewhere else, like in the shelter? This could open up new permutations of knight theories, like the knight being similar to a messed-up duskner, but for a human corpse that craved being a deer monster, not just a dead monster revived by someone who did not know them, like the old man statue.
This is where you’ve sold me the most. Not only is this interesting and adheres to my own suspicions about what’s going on with the SOUL: even if this explanation wasn’t necessarily “true”, such logic could easily be leveraged against Kris as emotional manipulation to earn and secure their compliance, which I think is important since, from body language and behavior and vibes (not to mention the ending of chapter 4), it’s very clear Kris feels they have no choice but to cooperate, both out of personal obligation and external insistence (mostly Carol but whoever else is in the Shelter, too I'd imagine) and would clearly much fucking prefer not lying to their bestie Susie. Anyway whether the manipulation is just Carol or whoever is directing this conspiracy from within the bunker, say, just as an example, the “brains” of the operation, a scientific mind (hmmmmmmm no one comes to mind… ah right alphys that settles it)
Anyway gasterslop aside: Dess-denial would align thematically with Deltarune's escapism theme. Much like how Susie will have to accept the reality that the dark worlds are NOT reality, Carol will have to accept that nothing is bringing back her daughter. An intense effort on her and Kris's part to try to anyway--out of grief and guilt respectively--would be very tragic and on-brand in this regard.
I can see this idea of Kris's bodily power and perhaps synchronization with the SOUL “revitalizing” Dess's consciousness since the Dess-flavored descriptions don’t really come into play until the later chapters. However, the main caveat here is that I'm not sure how we the Player 'play' into this. Still feels like the timeline (i.e. Gaster summons us and mid-sentence we return to Kris) suggests there’s a new (recent) entity controlling the soul, which is somewhat supported by Noelle and company thinking 'Kris is quieter than usual.' If Dess wasn't controlling Kris, and we weren't controlling Kris, what would that look like in terms of the immediate lead-up to Deltarune Chapter One? Kris was already in cahoots with Carol and ostensibly the Knight, perhaps even making Dark Fountain(s), so what's the deal with Gaster suddenly feeling the need to bring in an outside entity as a body-and-mind buffer between Kris and Dess?
Worth noting: the line or two at the end of the Vessel creation is not Gaster. Does this imply that it is Dess? Is it a dream?--maybe but that's less interestjng… honestly I'm sort of baffled by the text and tone shift, which clearly indicates it is no longer Gaster speaking. I guess it has to be Dess…?
Lastly this bit about an “amputation of the mind” could connect to the Dess hand trauma stuff we keep running into. Could explain why Dess says “i'll never play again” and also messes up the piano in ch4. however, this brings into question why Kris can still play guitar in ch3 if dess is the one allowing them to do so; is Dess simply 'back' enough by that point to carry us through the minigame? Could this just be a literal red herring? The USB mic at the computer in Chapter Five Asriel used for webchatting with Dess is clearly from Rock Band, and the Tenna minigame is adjacent to that. Tenna mentioning Dess and the song being Desspilled as shit and the Player/SOUL playing 'Guitar' specifically sure as shit makes it seem like Dess's skill is carrying us through, but it could just be that Kris is cracked at Guitar Hero lmao

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Fuckin' rambling about Human Dess to get some thoughts off my brain and into a coherent form outside of random comments.
How would human dess have to look narratively to avoid "This is just Kris' narrative relationship with their humanity but again"?
I think that both Dess and Kris experienced very different kinds of alienation. The Dreemurrs just didn't really acknowledge they were human to Kris. Kris starts asking questions about when they will grow horns, and they get the horned headband as a sort of emotional bandaid to the problem and are left to figure it out on their own (at least as best as we know from current time.)
Meanwhile, the Holidays seem more likely to plaster over uncomfortable feelings with a front of celebration. So in my consideration of things Dess would have been more painfully aware of how human she was as it would be constantly celebrated, and feel alienated on that front. Especially when Noelle comes along and those sorts of things aren't celebrated in the same way.
So, this would lead to a Dess who feels at least enough like acknowledging her position as a Holiday feels alienating from her humanity, but acknowledging the ways she is actually different from the rest of her family (like needing to wear a jacket inside because it's an icebox in that house with temperatures that go from Cold to Colder) feels alienating from her family, until nothing feels comfortable anymore.
Then tying it into my idea of Dess Knight, enter the Dark Worlds. She gets a new enough body more suited to herself, and her conflicted feelings about identity turn her antler headband into a helmet that can hide all of the parts of herself she doesn't like thinking about, and it's just a world that feels better for her than reality does. Until she tries to run away into the Darkness and something happens, leading to whatever the fuck "That Horrible Day" was, and the birth of herself as The Knight in a dark world she created.
So, the ultimate narrative role of Human Dess!Knight would be to stand as both a narrative foil for Susie, both in terms of actions of being overly reliant on escapism, and especially if the "Susie is half human" or "Susie grew up in a predominantly human area" theories are correct her own struggles with her identity
human dess masterpost v2
at this point i'm 99% sure that this theory survives not by cope, but by toby fox strategically leaving ambiguity to fuck with people.
it doesn't make sense, but it doesn't not make sense
i'd like to note i didnt have to reach specifically for one with ears, the majority in the search i did on duckduck go had 'em
I'll also bring up some interesting dialouge when Kris thinks about the knight that does have some implications:
"(The image of the Knight began to fade into your mind.)
(The image changes... the helmet begins to come off.)"
This implies that the Antlers might be fake, merely attached to the helmet and not actual antlers. Which can tie into the whole "Dess is the knight" and "Dess wears antlered headband" things. It might even explain why the knight's antlers are so different from the other holidays (including Dess's) if they were never real antlers in the first place.
In chapter 4 too, we got a pun from one of the enemies (Bibliox) that ties Souls with the concept of shoes ("Human soles, monster soles, Book soles...") Which feels relevant considering this is the same chapter where we see Dess's pile of shoes and Dess's piles of [heart-shaped objects].
Human Dess Theory/AU but her design is a lot more related to Chara in the same way Kris reminds us of Frisk (kinda like they both have design elements that were pulled from both Frisk and Chara, while still looking like their own unique characters in a way?)
I'm not saying Dess = Chara, just like how Kris doesn't = Frisk in a direct comparison. But I like to imagine that certain personality traits of Chara would be evident on Dess: Self sacrificial/borderline suicidal tendencies, a disdain for humanity and adoration for monsterkind, the tendency to be very scary at times and lacking the self awareness to drop the act (or having complete awareness of how they come across to others, and they use their own "spookiness" as a threatening tactic), the violent urges/aggressive thoughts, the aura farming, too, of course.
This could also be an explanation of why Kris is so attached to Dess, Dess being the only other human in Hometown and knowing how Kris may feel + Being older than Kris could have meant she had some previous experiences dealing with being an outcast (especially since few people in Hometown seem to even remember/talk about Dess to Kris, they are always talking about Asriel but they never bring up Dess Holiday, and it could be to avoid making Kris upset but it could also just be that they're disinterested in Dess, kinda how no one is really all that interested in Kris themselves).
Keep in mind I'm not saying this is the only possible explanation as to why Kris has gravitated more towards Dess than Noelle or even Asriel- All of what I'm saying can still apply if Dess was just another deer monster.
I still think it's interesting that Kris seems so affected by Dess's loss, sometimes appearing a lot more upset than Noelle (something something "I know they might have been involved in Dess's disappearance" something something "I know they probably have survivor's guilt over whatever happened") and having the idea in mind that she was human like them puts an interesting perspective on the entire Holiday and Dreemurr drama:
What if, yes, the Holidays loved Dess, a whole lot in fact, but just like the Dreemurrs, they never really understood Dess?
What if, the Holidays first adopted a human child that would soon be named Dess Holiday, and then later they had Noelle, a pure deer monster?? And not only is she a pure monster, but she is also perfect in everyone's eyes? Polite, hardworking little Noelle, being both a sunshine in Dess's life but also the source of all her envy.
It's kinda like how Kris feels about Asriel, but their roles are flipped. Dess has to take care of Noelle and learn to let her envy not affect their relationship as sisters, and Kris is the younger sibling of a seemingly "local star"! They adore Asriel, Asriel is their best friend in the world but they also can't deny how jealous they are of all the praise he gets.
What if Kris's own violent tendencies come from Dess's, in a way? What if they used to venture into the dark, beating their frustrations on the shadows because "none of that was real"???
Why are people trying to disprove human Dess with the ONE par of shoes for deer hooves in her room when there is a pile of human-shaped shoes in her closet
I’d like to state this is intended to be light-hearted and I hold no ill will against you if you believe Dess isn’t a human. I simply wish to share my perspective
my dessigns

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WARNING FOR DELTARUNE CHAPTER 5 + WEIRD ROUTE SPOILERS
For the longest time I've struggled to wonder why Dess, as a monster living in a town populated mostly by other monsters, would want to be a human. However, Deltarun Chapter 5 has made me realize why that may be.
A lot of people have begun to speculate that by going into the lake, Kris and Noelle have broken (through) some kind of barrier. Many have compared this to a quote from Alphys where she basically tells the player that a human soul isn't enough to cross the barrier alone: it takes both a human and a monster SOUL. If Dess was a monster, she'd want to be a human so she could leave the town, or she'd want to take Kris with her because she'd only be able to leave if Kris came with her. She's a monster, and they're the only human in town. The combined power of their SOULs would be enough to break out of the confines of the game.
Honestly, Dess could have also wanted to seal dark fountains, too, and she could have only done that with a human SOUL. The only human in down would have been Kris.
Now that I think about it more, if Dess was a human who was insecure about not being a deer monster like the rest of her family, I doubt she'd have so many red heart-shaped objects in her room. They resemble human souls. I feel like they would just make her feel really insecure about being a human.
I still believe Dess is a human though, I feel like I've supported it too strongly to say I don't now. Human Dess dies with me.
Can't help but go all in. Heterochromic snake eyes can't win
while we got less story reveals this time around, what we did get is helping me solidify my thoughts about what exactly dessknight entails.
i think dess opened that original fountain asgore found himself in, leading to her disappearance. the details, the how and why, are obviously all unknown, but since the old fountain and the cyber world were seemingly opened by the same person, presumably the knight, i think this is a reasonable assumption.
ralsei is also confused because "i thought the knight only showed up alongside the heroes" but perhaps that's true, if the original fountain maker was a still human dess. but why?
i think the key lies with the weird route. in asgore's flashback at the end of the chapter, the sound effect from the player putting the thorn ring on noelle plays. if the weird route was parallel to whatever happened to dess, then it would be helping us prepare for the reveal and give further context to something really fucked up that can happen in this universe. some otherworldly force pushes dess to the limits of her world, of her "game", until much like noelle she has justified it as something good, leading into her being warped into the knight. what if something like the knight, all powerful within the scope of the game, is what noelle will start to resemble in chapter 7?
my other reason for thinking these story beats run parallel is because of how in the normal route noelle talks about her desire to leave and dess leaving in the same breath, clearly comparing them. there's a chance she is also alluding to feeling suicidal here. but in the weird route when she goes on about feeling trapped and pushes herself to "do something crazy", which is both her feeling like she's taking autonomy of her abuse and justifying it as necessary, and then i look at dess, who with the limited knowledge we have, was clearly a rebellious teen with a strict mother and i think hm. could similar feelings have been at play here?
and of course, kris being there for both. there's a good chance that original dark world is the shelter one.
i also think this would be a decent explanation for what state the knight exists in. the behavior of the knight and what we know of december holiday has a big contradiction until we get more information, but it clearly has a personality and autonomy. it is petty, it makes seemingly unplanned choices like opening the second fountain, and it aura farms up the stairs. i cant see it as just dess' waterlogged undead corpse. dess having been psychologically tormented like noelle was and then transformed could explain how the knight is both still dess and so warped beyond recognition.
anyways those are my thoughts. it's quite vibes based at the moment but sometimes with storytelling following repeated patterns and thematic ties can leave you with solid predictions so i stand by it.