Sound of Reckoning

Lets do a break down of the Soviet Union’s crime shall we?

1) Killed thousand of Civilians during the Russian Civil War, including those advocating for labor reform

2) Massacred htousands of Kulaks

3) Sent millions to the Gulags

4) Killed Millions in Staln’s Purges

5) Destroyed Kazistan’s natural sea

6) The Doctor’s Plot

7) Made a deal with Hitler and was stupid enough to be surprised when he invaded

8) Raped millions of Germans and eastern Europeans

9) Was so bad that Tito split off and stayed independent

10) Forcibly moved entire cultures in the Cacus mountains

11) Forbad religion to millions who wanted it

12) Destroyed their economy

13) Cause or oversaw half a dozen massive famines

14) Invaded Afghanistan

15) Helped the Nazis invade Poland, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, lithuania and Moldavia.  

16) After defeating the Nazis, occupied those aforementioned countries (minus Finland), and also Bulgaria, Romania, East Germany, Hungary, Parts of Austria, Czetchslovakia, Albania, Montenegro, and Mongolia.

17) Crushed the Gerogian, Armenian, and Azerbijian attempts at independence, and culturally damaged all of the central Asian countries

18) Responsible for the deaths of millions in the Ukraine

19) Denied Free elections for its entire history, and had a hilarious amount of corruption.

20) Helped set up and support North Korea

21) Were not able to provide basic necessities for their peoples.

Again, the Soviet Union lost.  And not because the US invaded or because of a military coup, but because the moment a Soviet Premier started to relax the oppression, the people stopped wanting t obe Soviet and the entire empire fell apart with very little resistance.  If it was so great, why did it fail.  

Lecturing Chinese history to a Chinese history historian…yeah good luck there.  Ok lets break this down

1) The 60 million famine was larger than the 40 million under Mao….except that one happened A) Over a far longer period of time, you know…23 years B) was in the middle of one of the largest wars in human history.  The Great Leap Forward was

2) The Great Leap Forward was a success?  By what metric?  Industry collapsed, agriculture failed the economy was weakened, internal stability was weakened, people died in mass amounts, Mao himself eventually had to call it in.  If the Great Leap Forward was so awesome, why did CCP officials have to make fake villages to show Mao to make it seem so much more awesome than it was?  Why was Mao basically thrown out of power for a few years afterwards (He called himself a “dead ancestors-praised but never consulted”) if the policy was so awesome and wonderful?  See FDR did this major economic reform policy called the “New Deal” and it not only improved the economy but FDR stayed in power…for 4 terms.  And his VP got reelected because people liked it so much.  People who oversee policies that are “Universally agreed” upon to be good (and I would be very curious to see which experts are saying this, because even the PRC today sees the Great Leap Forward as a bad thing), don’t get kicked upstairs, and have to rely upon college kids whipped into a frenzy to get themselves back into power.

3) China’s economy didn’t improve after capitalism?  ok…..well when Dong did “To Get Rich is Glorious” the economy improved.Hey look here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Prc1952-2005gdp.gif what is the point where China’s economy starts improving exponentially…oh wait its in the 80s.  Not during Mao’s reign.  

4) As for why India hasn’t become China its because India is playing a longer game.  China isn’t entirely capitalist, its capitalism mixed with state run pseudo socialist, which in the short run can generate a tremendous amount of profit.  It also causes a massive amount of instability, and while India has becoming increasingly more stable and more secure in the last few decades, China has not.  Also India, unlike China has you know……a giant fucking feud with Pakistan? And was FAR more ravaged by imperialism than China wars (and that is saying a lot)?  And unlike China, was never a country before 1947? China has over two thousand years of unity, maintaining a country is not that hard, and they have a common written language/common culture.  India…does not.  The subcontinent was never unified until British occupation, the peoples are totally different and there is no common language, Hindi and English are only spoken by a slight majority.  And while China’s “Time of Troubles” was roughly a century, India’s was 250 years.  And as shit Qing/KMT China had it (and it was shit) they were still independent, even during the Japanese invasion the KMT and the CCP had independent holdings, India was utterly dominated by the British Empire.  Of fucking course they took longer to advance.  And unlike China, they have more internal stability because.

5) In 2013 alone, China had 160,000 protests against the government numbering over 5,000 people.  The US is at one of the worse periods in our history and we have no where close to that number.  China just had to put down a revolution in Hong Kong.  China losses billions of dollars each year to corruption.  China is constantly on the edge of an international crisis with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Burma and Indonesia.  China’s leadership are currently having a political civil war.  You don’t have this level of instability in India, because the government is less (though still quite) repressive.  Remember, India doesn’t need a giant fucking firewall to keep their people from looking up what the Tienemen square massacre is. Because countries that are healthy and stable don’t need to keep their people constantly ignorant.  

6) As for polls…..first you say China doesn’t adopt Capitalist models and then you say they do and its not popular.  Make up your mind.  In the case of both Russia and China they are quite unpopular but as I’ve said again and again, opposing something bad doesn’t make you good.  If the common people of Russia were so happy with the Soviet Union…the Soviet Union wouldn’t have fallen.  And if China of 1976 was so happy with Maoist policies, then they would have supported the Gang of 4 over Deng Xiaoping.  

7) So wait, when the vast majority of historians from across the the world, including people who lived through it say that the Ukranian famine killed 10 million people, thats properganda, but when you get one obscure historian with almost no public record who says that 7 ½ million people died in the depression that is fact?  Yeah, that isn’t how history works, where are the bodies?  Where are the reports of mass numbers.  Obviosuly people did starve in the great depression, possible as many as half a million, but if 7.5 million out of 123 million people died, people would notice that.  And when you do a bit of research all of the claim of 7 and a half million people dying in the Depression, it all can be traced back to….one guy. With very little record.  And that is what we call….a conspiracy theory.  Actually life expediency actually increased in the Great Depression because of new TB treatments, though people di obviously die.  Malnutrition was the largest problem with the Depression more than actual starvation.  

And again, while the US has plenty to answer for and a massive amount of problems…..it didn’t fall during the Great Depression.  And however shit things are today, we aren’t at Great Depression levels (and things are shit right now).  In fact, we Elected FDR and he got 4 terms.  If the US was so much worse than the Soviet Union, then the Soviet Union wouldn’t have fallen.  

Now unto India….you know that India was conquered prior to Captalism becoming the dominent model of Britain.  Wealth of nations wasn’t written until 1776, and Britain, through the East India Company ruled india from 1612.  And even after direct rule in the 1800s, the british never really adopted a fully capitalist model until decades later. The US, which has been purely capitalist from the Civil War onwards, has a great deal to answer for, I mean we have done some pretty sick shit, but we have not had any famines that have equalled the Ukranian famine or the Great Leap Forward.

As for modern China, some stuff they do that India doesn’t

1) Harvest Human organs

2) The Tienanmen Square Massacre

3) Not allowing their own people to learn about the Tienanmen Square massacre

4) Occupation of Tibet

5)The persecution/mass murder of Falun Gong

6) Denying independence to Hong Kong/reneging on their

7) Becoming the most polluted country in the world and they are going to run out of water in 15 years.

Yeah, good job there

As for Rojova….ok lets have a look

1)Some Kurdish reports, good job there http://www.kurdwatch.org/syria_article.php?aid=3428&z=en&cure=240 http://www.kurdwatch.org/index.php?aid=3450&z=en&cure=1029

2) Human Rights Watch http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/18/syria-abuses-kurdish-run-enclaves

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/07/10/syria-kurdish-forces-violating-child-soldier-ban-0

3) The Times http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article4456567.ece

4) We have the UN Civil Rights Council “Report of the independent international commission of inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic: Twenty-fifth session”    “Selected testimonies from victims of the Syrian conflict: Twenty-seventh session”  

Would you look at that?  Its almost like if you did some basic research you would find it out.  But seriously, is this just a pattern, lets deny the voices of the actual victims in question here?  We have people who have said they went to Gulags, that they were in the Ukrainian famine, their their families were killed by Staln, that the Soviets raped them, that they starved in the Great Leap Forward, that they were beaten in the Cultural Revolution, that they were arrested for being Falung Gong, those people exist.  We have their first hand accounts, some of them are still alive.  The Gulag Archipelago was not written by a dude with a fancy imagination, he was actually there.  Now the Kurds were actually genocides against by the Turks, by the Iraqis, by the Syrians that all actually happened, and I didn’t deny that at any point, that doesn’t mean that the Kurds can’t do crimes as well.  The Croats did a genocide to the Serbs, and the Serbs went around and then committed a genocide against the Bosnians, being a victim doesn’t make you just and oppose a monster doesn’t make you a hero. Can you get me first hand accounts of people who saw the deaths of millions of Americans during the Great Depression?  

What next, you going to tell me that North Korea is healthy?

It is fucking callous as hell that you can see a situation where 6000 children are starving to death daily in India while food reserves are destroyed and say “oh, they’re just playing the long game”. Utterly ridiculous. Destroying food while people starve is “playing the long game?” How? What fucking long game involves destroying food while people starve you fucking idiot? 

There’s no “long game”, India is being exploited by capitalist imperialism and that’s all there is to it.

You point out that the colonization of India began prior to the introduction of capitalism- but that’s hardly relevant, since the famines i cited both occurred in the 1800′s, and it’s you’re going to tell me to my face that 19th century england wasn’t capitalist then you can go straight to hell because that’s the biggest load of shit i’ve ever heard in my life.

Furthermore, you claim that China is the most polluted country in the world, but check this out:

Furthermore, you rely on Gross Domestic Product as the sole determiner of economic health, a horrifically capital-centric viewpoint, while ignoring, say, life-expectancy, a more human-centric approach.

Let’s take a look at a chart of life expectancy in China, sourced from a stock market investor site:

Hmmmmm, notice how life expectancy sharply rises from 1950 to 1970? and then after that the sharp rise levels off? Fascinating.

Now what happening in China from 1950-1970? Oh right! It was the great leap forward and the measures toward collectivization.

Lets compare that to what happened to life expectancy in the former USSR after the introduction of capitalism:\

Damn, look at that big massive drop in life expectancy right around 1991! But I’m sure the GDP went up, and I guess that’s all that matters to you, huh? That’s the miracle of capitalism right there. life expectancy goes down, GDP goes up.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove by pointing out that FDR was in office for many terms. So? So fucking what? If this was occuring in a communist country his 16 year presidency would be seen as proof that the systems democracy was a sham, but i guess when an cult of personality builds around a brutal despot who puts innocent people into internment camps happens in a capitalist country, it’s proof that The System Works.

You keep bringing up the fact that the USSR and PRC both shifted to a more capitalist mode of production as proof of the failure of communism- but considering how unpopular the decision to shift to capitalism was, and how consistently the polls have shown that the shift to capitalism was a mistake and a failure, it seems the more likely answer is that those who had power and money knew they would be more powerful if they shifted to capitalism. The shift to capitalism wasn’t a response to the will of the people, it was a cynical power-grab by the powerful, and the polls have confirmed this time and time again.

You point to examples of sexual assault committed by the USSR during the invasion of Nazi germany, while you carefully try to cover up the fact that A: there were less sexual assaults reported against the Red Army than any other Army in that conflict, and B: the Red Army had far harsher punishment in the ranks for anyone who was accused of rape (it was punishable by death in the red army, as well it should be).

By contrast, Nazi germany forced women in countries they invaded into brothels for their soldiers. And the United States not only committed a horrific number of sexual assaults after the invasion of japan, but in fact, continues to do so today [LINK]. Not to mention the US government has been involved in the institutionalized sexual assault of prisoners of war as part of the United State’s torture program.

You claim that “all historians agree that 10 million died in holodomor!” which is strange because the actual number given by historians is that deaths ranged somewhere between 2.4 and 7.5 million.

Furthermore, the methods used by Boris Borisov to determine the death toll of the great depression are identical to the methods used to determine the death toll of the soviet famine, so if you have a problem with those numbers, then I imagine you must also have a problem with the numbers given by historians for the soviet famine. Furthermore, you claim “actually, people died during the great depression of malnutrition, not starvation!” Check this out dumbass- there is no effective difference between dying of malnutrition and starvation.

Furthermore, regarding Rojava:

Kurdwatch, the site which is the source of the rumors, is based in Berlin, has no apparent connection to Rojava, and no connection to legitimate human rights organizations, so excuse the hell out of me if i take their claims with a grain of salt considering that they’re contradicted by actual legitimate human rights organizations. The other articles you posted describe Rojava collaborating with international observers to de-mobilize under-18 soldiers from their ranks, and to prevent abuses of power by soldiers in their ranks.

I am once again horrified that you would be so willing to malign people who are fighting for their own freedom and right to exist, and who are fighting for communal democracy against the threat of brutal reactionary traditionalism. Who exactly do you support in the Syrian conflict, if not the people of Rojava?

I’m well aware that Soviet-style socialism is a failure as a road to communism, and I’m not saying we should exactly re-attempt the Soviet model- nobody is saying that, except for the fringe die-hard tankies. But the evidence of Capitalisms utter inhumanity is clear, and the fact is that Capitalism must be destroyed. It is indeed true that Soviet Socialist governments fell into the same patterns as the Capitalist governments they replaced- including imperialism, hierarchy, and repression. But the historical narrative that every attempt to end capitalism has been a catastrophe is pure mythology, even revisionist faux-communism is a step up from capitalism, and the historical record supports this.

While indeed, war crimes have been committed by marxist-socialist nations, and acts of repression as well, they are DWARFED by the atrocities committed by capitalists- from the genocide of the native americans, to the dropping of the atom bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki, to the continual slaughter and torture committed right now under the banner of the “war on terror”, to the numerous White Terrors committed by anti-communists, to the millions killed by King Leopold, to the civilians massacred by the United States in Vietnam, to the numerous atrocities committed in involvement with the Slave Trade, to the numerous people killed by the drug war in mexico, to the bloody coups the USA supported to install right-wing tyrants like Pinochet, the Shah, and Suharto, etc. etc. etc. etc.

No one is claiming that there have never been war crimes committed by communists, and I certainly don’t intend to sit here and defend any of the shitty things Stalin did, but the simple fact is that the media deliberately downplays atrocities committed in connection with capitalism, while trying to use any repression or hardship which occurs in a socialist country as a bludgeon against marxism as a whole. I think this is demonstrated by the simple fact that you are so very aware of repression and censorship in China, but you had no idea of similar actions taken by the Indian government.

The simple fact is that capitalism has failed, and the claim that previous attempts to end capitalism made things worse is a transparent lie (though i freely admit that previous attempts to end capitalism did fail to effectively achieve communism). Soviet Socialism and Capitalism have been compared in the same countries, and the citizens, as I have pointed out many times before, overwhelmingly agree that Capitalism is far worse than Socialism. [LINK] [LINK] [LINK][LINK]

Seattle Restaurant Data Demolishes Conservative Argument Against $15 Minimum Wage

Imperialism: “GET OVER IT!”

Exploitation: “GET OVER IT!”

World Starvation: “GET OVER IT”

Genocide: “GET OVER IT!”

Occupation: “GET OVER IT!”

*David Harvey enters the room with a smile*

The Marxist-Leninist Communist Party (MLKP) Communist Women’s Organization has assassinated a Daesh /ISIS gang member on behalf of Ivana Hoffman (Avaşîn Têkoşîn Güneş), the internationalist MLKP fighter killed while fighting Daesh/ISIS gangs in Til Temir, in Rojava, on March 7. The women fighters carried out the assassination operation on a Daesh gang member in Rojava’s Cizîre Canton on March 8. The women’s organization was founded at a conference on January 3-7, 2015.

“The Daesh gangs, unable to stomach their defeat at Til Hemis and Til Barak, attacked Til Temir. These gangs have killed hundreds of Assyrian men and abducted and murdered hundreds of Assyrian women and we will not let them pass,” the women said in a statement. “With this action, we are announcing once more that we will guard the Rojava revolution, whatever the price in life and blood. As MLKP Communist Women’s Organization members we promise to grow the Rojava revolution together with our YPJ comrades.