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Ryoshu listens to Rodion's relationship advices and asks Don Quixote to play strip-pocker in attempt to convince her to get Rocinante off.
To her horror Don Quixote turns out to be ridiculously good at pocker(or just lucky) and Ryoshu gets fully naked while Don Quixote still has almost everything on
Don Quixote spend like 200 years in the Lighthouse and seems to mostly keep the same cut just without a proper styling. And it seems to be fairly similar to what she weared as human.
Which makes me wonder that maybe in Manager's world there were something different from the start
I'm pretty sure they just grow it through sheer will. Like, for some reason being able to control your hair for aura purposes comes with being a bloodfiend and they can just make it longer or shorter according to what they want (examples being Sancho growing her hair and making it curly 3,4 seconds after recovering her memories at La Manchaland. The Bad End ID in which she either changed it to fit her manager aesthetic or papa Quixote was just gone for so long that she grew hair up to her thighs could also be an example)
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Ryoshu who finds a new appreciation of Don Quixoteâs smile after what happened in the 7th canto
It's now an act, a type of art, something that she can respect.
She wants Don Quixote to snap but it doesn't mean she's against a good performance before it happened.
Couldn't you imagine Ryoshu grabbing Don Quixoteâs chin and telling her to smile properly if she's adamant on pretending and then not letting go until she smiles bright enough for Ryoshu's taste.
It could honestly break her faster than a constant demand to show her true self
I'm not gonna explain my thought process behind them because I didn't really put that much effort into these, really they were lazily made. Don't go "____ Should have been this!" Because you're probably right but I'm tired and I don't want to be proven wrong on my own post.
If this flops I'm not making more lmao
Edit: I need to learn to shut up wdym 200 notes. I'm sorry I'll never act out again
The Pre-Canto 9 Ryoshu Analysis Masterpost (Part 2)
Hereâs the second part of the essay. If you havenât read the first, please do! Same spoiler warnings apply.
First, let me detail the sins theyâve given her identities. Theyâre just as important for characterization as anything else. Ryoshuâs sin affinity distribution is as follows: 14 lust, 11 gluttony, 7 pride, 4 wrath, 4 sloth, 3 envy, and 1 gloom.
Lust and gluttony being so high make sense. She deals in violent arts and is fascinated with the human form, which makes lust a no-brainer. Gluttony could be read as her bottomless desire to both create and witness this art, maybe. Gloom being so low is something I want you to keep in mind. Only one of her identities has a gloom skill, and she has a single gloom EGO on top of that.
Now for a few of her identities. Most of hers are unremarkable simply because she just loves being able to kill. As long as sheâs allowed to do that, sheâs content to rattle off a few one-liners and get to it. The ones that break this mold are Chief Butler and Red Eyes and Penitence - both identities where she leads instead of follows.
Theyâre likening leadership to motherhood with these. I know I said it in the first half, but itâs important! If you take away anything from this, it should be that.Â
Letâs do Chief Butler first. This identity mirrors Nelly, but I donât think that has any bearing on her now. The overarching theme of her uptie is how sheâs trying her best to prepare the other butlers for the appearance of Wild Hunt Heathcliff.
The empathetic Ryoshu has been right in front of you the whole time! I wouldnât be so quick as to apply this style of behavior to Ryoshu in the story (especially since weâve seen what it looks like when sheâs looking out for others), but then again⌠the stakes havenât been like this, either. Sheâs taking the well-being of her subordinates very seriously here, and when Heathcliff shows up, she instantly dismisses them all to handle him herself. Not only is she adept at handling the butlers, sheâs shown to be selfless, which is something sheâs never gotten close to displaying in the main story.
Now, this is the interesting part.
Never has Ryoshu ever been afraid of dying or being injured, so that can be ruled out immediately. No, itâs regret. I know, I know sheâs not the one with the gloom skill, hold on! The whole reason she has wrath instead of gloom is that here, sheâs quick enough to squash her momentary weakness and turn it into the fury she needs to go against Heathcliff. Despite Heath not being her biological child, she still was responsible for raising him in this universe. If it were her child, though? No way it wouldnât be gloom instead.
Both of these aspects, from the way sheâs trying to save all of the other butlers to her regret when facing Heathcliff, makes the maternal reading pretty simple. In fact, I think itâs possible that this might be a microcosm of what coming face to face with her child in her canto will be like. Maybe itâs a stretch, but⌠itâs not too outlandish for me to rule out.
Now for Red Eyes and Penitence. Hereâs that gloom skill!! Since lust is a staple for Ryoshu identities, we can ignore it. Itâs her envy and gloom thatâs interesting. This ID is special because sheâs using EGO gear here, which are known to heighten the emotions of the users.
Weâre right up front with the themes of motherhood this time. The focus on Red Eyes in her uptie makes sense. Itâs an abnormality all about defending and caring for its children. So, I think her envy skill represents Red Eyes (Spiderhead, the weapon, specifically). Envious of something whose family is so close at all times, so well cared for.Â
Not even an abnormalityâs definition of family is good enough for her, it seems⌠Thatâs all from her story.
Before we continue, it should be noted that she treats her weapons like children to be taken care of as well.
Alright, so thereâs all that, but what of Penitence? She wouldâve worked perfectly fine with only Red Eyes, but no. Thatâs where the gloom skill comes in. Unlike the regret that was quickly subdued in Chief Butler, itâs front and center this time thanks to the heightened emotional connection to Penitence. Her gloom, her regret, has only surfaced when in contact with EGO or EGO gear (REaP, soda).
Itâs hard to say just what it is that she regrets, but itâs clear that itâs something sheâs buried deep down and tries her best not to acknowledge. Thereâs absolutely no way it isnât about her kid. Just keep it in mind for the future.
Now, her EGO.
Iâm so serious when I say her Soda EGO is deathly important. For one, itâs one of the TWO instances of gloom she has, ever. Plus, her corrosion is wildly different from Hongluâs Soda corrosion.
Ryoshuâs is on the left and Hongluâs is on the right. When he corrodes, Honglu turns into one of the shrimp working the boat, his human form gone completely. But Ryoshuâs gone and turned into a can of Wellcheers. They make extra sure to show that sheâs NOT a shrimp like Honglu, with her shrimp hat still having its stitching and all. I was already concerned when I saw Soda was gloom for her, but seeing her corrosion makes it even more heavy-handed. Itâs all about the kidnapping.
If you donât know, this abnormality is based on a rumor that if you drank an already opened can of Welchâs, youâd get drugged and kidnapped and sold to work on a fishing boat. The fact that this is something thatâs making her actually sad for once is alarming, especially with them going so hard on the kidnapping aspect of it for her.
Thereâs no way to know how this relates to her for sure right now, but it seems to imply that either her child was kidnapped, or she had a hand in kidnappings in her time in the Fingers. Right now, Iâm leaning more towards it being her own child that was kidnapped, since from Lei Hengâs interactions with her it sounds like her kid is still alive somewhere. But then again, he didnât seem to know. Hereâs where he mentions it.
This EGO doesnât have much else to say besides that, and is the only one to give a real hint as to what might be going on with her. Excited to find out just what itâs referencing.
THORACALGIA
I think that Thoracalgia, for her, might represent futility. For Faust, itâs freedom, but Ryoshu seems weighed down by guilt that she keeps deeply hidden. Regret is a recurring theme for her.
Her awakening line states that BOTH resentment and penance are futile. âI was only reaching out to grasp something, anything.â I think she might be lost for how to really approach her kid. Obviously, she has her whole giddy sadistic deal, but sheâs not a lunatic. She cares for the people around her. Sheâs aware of her behavior, and she knows when itâs not appropriate. Sheâs SO on edge in current Limbus, not smoking and all that. I think itâs cause sheâs lost on how to bridge this gap, an uncrossable distance, but she wants to. She wants to and doesnât know how - perhaps already knows whatâs going to happen.
Her corrosion line is âI breathe in and out, but it wonât stop hurtingâ, again, expressing futility. The one thing that puzzles me is that itâs a Pride EGO, and costs 1 wrath, 1 lust, and 5 pride to activate. Makes her weak to sloth and gluttony, too. As always, looking at the specific sin affinities used for each part of the EGO is important. Theyâre clues as to how the user is feeling in relation to the EGO.
If Thoracalgia represents a feeling of overwhelming confinement and suffering, of being haunted and trapped by an overgrown pain, a defensive reflex allowed to get out of hand⌠whereâs the pride in that? Sheâs clearly feeling prideful more than anything else here. Assuming my angle about it being her regrets is true, then⌠Maybe the pride comes from continuing despite the pressure commanding you to stay still, perhaps despite knowing that resistance is futile.Â
Apart from maybe being about her relationship with her kid, it might also be referencing the completion of the Hellscreen⌠which, in this case, I think is her sword. For one, Ryoshu doesnât make literal art like Yoshihide does, now substituted for violence. Theyâre putting a whole lot of attention on her sword, with how itâs never been unsheathed and is implied to have an extreme power if it were to be. The sword being the equivalent to the painting of hell is the only thing that makes sense. What with the Hellscreen in the story being Yoshihideâs greatest work, and also what takes the life of both him and his daughter in his arrogance (which he knew even prior to finishing it), well⌠Iâd be surprised if this wasnât what ends up being revealed.
Anyway, Thoracalgia. Yeah, it could be about her knowing deep down that what sheâs doing is harmful, and continuing anyway. Itâs a theme across her other EGO as it is. Iâm not 100% confident on this, but it feels like this is the best I can get a handle on it before the canto comes out.
CONTEMPT, AWE
I think this one is meant to call back to story Yoshihide, specifically highlighting his extreme arrogance. Because, like, yeah, Ryoshu is arrogant. But itâs justified, sheâs capable. And I wouldnât say sheâs, like, EXCESSIVELY arrogant in the story. Contemptshu though? 100%. This is a Ryoshu thatâs a nasty unpleasant self-aggrandizing twat, going full throttle on the âIâm wayyyy better than youâ angle. Hereâs some of her lines.
Like, this is still recognizably Ryoshuâs speech, but turned up a notch. **NOTE: If I catch you writing regular Ryoshu like this, especially canto 5+ Ryoshu, Iâm gonna tar and feather you. She does display some arrogance like this (not even to this level) towards the Sinners in the first chapters, but itâs not present anymore.
Thereâs an intentional parallel being drawn with Jia Huan here, and I understand why she was given both the EGO and the identity mimicking him. Jia Huan, in the story, became vicious, hateful, and arrogant after his little brother died, donning contempt. But all of the Contempt, Awe content in the game has emphasized how futile and phony this hateful attitude is. It looks intimidating and even divine, but itâs nothing more than flimsy gold in the end. Jia Huan acts like a holier than thou asshole but isnât able to mask his care for Honglu completely, even being called out by his unique panic type called Soft Goldcasted Heart. This EGO is all about a rejection of empathy in favor of arrogance, while also showing that rejecting empathy is a weak and foolish choice. Contemptshu is a total loser, tldr.
BLIND OBSESSION
Alright, you ready for this? Blind Obsession is my favorite out of Ryoshuâs EGO, not only for what it says about her, but also what itâs saying on its own. Thereâs a whole other facet to the abnormality I donât think gets acknowledged in favor of the literal âblind obsessionâ.
In the mirror dungeon event, itâs convincing you to sink because thereâs salvation waiting at the depths. Right away, it looked like an allusion to the kind of twisted comfort you might feel in giving up, or in pursuing something you know will harm you. It really comes off to me as suicidal ideation to me, because of the tone, the comforting tone. âChasing the light in the deep darknessâ already has suicidal undertones to me, but thereâs more. Siltcurrent is depicted underwater, and the thing about water in Limbus is that Kim Jihoon has said that the color and nature of the water, when coming from an abnormality or distortion, matters a lot.Â
And this isnât just the ocean, itâs the ABYSS.
Just take a look at what Siltcurrent says when you fail one of its checks in the event.
This sounds exactly like someone who has made themselves comfortable with the idea of dying, and is gently reassuring the failed sinner.Â
So thatâs awesome and all, but am I trying to say Ryoshu is secretly suicidal? Naw. You have to look at both halves: the idea of âblind obsessionâ, and the resigned ready-to-die tone. Reading Hellscreen makes it immediately obvious why this was chosen for Ryoshu. Yoshihide is characterized as someone who will go any length for art, and demands that he needs to see a recreation of the subjects heâs painting. This includes studying a corpse up close for hours, releasing dangerous animals on his apprentices, and the burning of his own daughter in the carriage, of course. Despite Ryoshuâs art being violence, she is no less enamored by bloodshed, and the same applies to her.
This EGO says that Ryoshu is pursuing something terrible to the ends of (presumably) completing the Hellscreen, in whatever form thatâs going to take. It describes the chasing of even the faintest light (artistic inspiration) down willingly into the depths of hell, knowing it will kill you, and chasing it all the same. In a way, the singleminded focus she has that will surely fall on her child as well is suicidal. Her awakening quote, âOnly I move in these wavesâ, is another nod to the self-aggrandizing attitude she and Yoshihide share.
4th MATCH FLAME
4th Match Flame stumped me for a bit. Itâs simple on its surface, but it felt like there had to be something more. At least this is another she shares with other Sinners. Looking at how it differs for them can give clues as to the intent behind it all.
Okay, think about Rodya and Yisangâs real quick, especially their corrosions. The theme of destitution and suffering ties in to both of those. Rodya was herself a poor starving girl once, desperate for the comforting matchlight in a cold world (which may be why sheâs the one fully aflame). Yisang is totally smouldered, barely an ember left - no bright dream could hold him anymore. The fire consumed him, its empty promise of warmth stripping the flesh from his bones. Alright, yeah, that was simple.
Then, Ryoshu⌠Here, I want you to see hers.
Sheâs burning yet unlike Yisang, but not as brightly as Rodya, her face covered in flame and her bones visible. Sheâs also in the same upright posture as her Awakening sprite. Disillusion, maybe? The dream is crumbling but still she walks. It hurts her yet, but clouds her vision even now. The fire covers her eyes - wrath, a blind rage, needing revenge despite the physical toll? Pride keeps her upright, walking her path of destruction despite being a dead man. She isnât done until she says sheâs done.
Being a Wrath EGO, this is likely referencing how bad she wants to kill those who took her child away (presumably). Just look at how pissed she got when Lei Heng showed up. She was going for that sword instantly, and Faust had to stop her. Literal blind rage. For this one, I think I need to not overthink it. The fire and wrath is tied to her general all-consuming rage, while also showing that itâs killing her (yet she stands proud, unwilling to fall).
Hey, itâs almost like thatâs what Blind Obsession was talking about. Hmm. Also note that she attacks with her odachi in this one.
SPIDER BUD
There should be something real important about all of her Red Eyes connections, right? Two whole EGO and an identity. Thankfully, Spider Bud is extremely straightforward.
It only comes down if its babies are hurt. Like. Thatâs it. Just a fierce, protective mother. Easy. It really seems like there should be more here, but Spider Bud is just one of those abnos with not a whole lot of characterization. Either the deeper meaning for this is hidden in her canto or itâs as simple as it looks. Sheâs been likened to spiders multiple times, thereâs spiderâs house Lei Heng mentions, etcâŚÂ
FOREST FOR THE FLAMES
Alright, maybe this is a bit disappointing for some of you, but I have just about no leads on her base EGO. Since itâs not tied to any abnormality, itâs a lot tougher to piece together whatâs going on in these. The most I can say is that it supports my sword = hellscreen theory. Just look at the way sheâs cuddling it, almost looking like sheâs about to draw it, kinda. Plus, the sword itself is wrapped in red bandages, perhaps seals? The Fingers are visible in the background, which isnât anything new. Yeah. Sorry, thought itâd be better to end on a fizzle.Â
Finally, with everything weâve discussed behind usâŚ
I really think now that canto 9 will be of the pain of seeing your child disown you, of your child growing twisted in your absence, of harboring this deep love for them that cannot ever be expressed because they do not want to be around you. I think that Ryoshuâs kid mightâve been separated from her and has been trained as a highly skilled syndicate member in the meantime. But when we get there, I think her child will have no words for her. And I think Ryoshu knows this. Sheâs avoiding her regret as much as humanly possible, but it IS within her.
It could be that the funny carriage times already happened in her backstory, but I really doubt it. Thereâs no way sheâd be acting like that if her kid was already dead. Either way, sheâs awful apphrensive about SOMETHING right now, either finding out the truth or not knowing how to bridge that gap.
Plus, would they want a Canto 6 rerun? We already went through âohh I finally get to see this person I care about again, just kidding theyâre actually deadâ like no way weâre doing that again. Her kidâs gonna be alive and it might actually be the worse outcome for Ryoshu. At least when someoneâs dead, you can cope and say that thereâs no way to know now. It would be so easy to be furious about it, wouldnât it? Easier to want revenge for their killer instead of finding a way across such a divide.
Thatâs not to say I donât think theyâre going to work in the overarching theme of âexcessive arrogance only hurts you and the ones you loveâ from Hellscreen, but, yâknow. Itâs Limbus, itâs not gonna be that simple. With how hard theyâre drilling the maternal aspect of Ryoshu, I think weâre gonna get to know her kid for a bit before⌠evil happens.
And just as a bonus, I think Ryoshuâs seasonal ID will have lust, gloom, and wrath skills. Maybe sloth defense, but probably not. As long as she has any gloom at all, Iâm gonna lose my mind. Okay, essay over. Thank you for your time.
The Pre-Canto 9 Ryoshu Analysis Masterpost (Part 1)
This essay assumes you are fully caught up with Limbus Company and have read Hellscreen (itâs not required reading for this, though). If you havenât read Hellscreen, itâs free on Google and very short (and a great short story, regardless). If youâre not caught up with the game, good luck. In this first half of the essay, I will be detailing the aspects of Ryoshuâs character as present in the gameâs text.
Ryoshu is aware of her behavior and relishes in it
Itâs important to realize that she is an edgy little shit, to the point where she gets a kick out of dropping âepicâ cliche one-liners on purpose. Itâs wrong to portray her as maximally cruel all the time. She is goofy. The goofiness is part of her performance, it does not diminish her cruelty.Â
Look at what she chooses to say. Rarely does her SANGRIA include real swears, even when it seems like it should.Â
This is the single best example of this and serves to characterize both Ryoshu and Sinclair at the same time. Here, Sinclairâs more aggressive side comes out, taking her acronym and interpreting it to be as harsh as possible. This is one of the few times he misunderstands her and shows that he doesnât have a perfect Ryoshu-sense like he seems to. Ryoshu then explains that what she intended was less harsh and more silly, although still an insult.
Ryoshu wonât shy away from making her acronyms silly in nature. Think of OOF and WOWWIE. Thereâs got to be a more threatening way to convey the same information, but she decides not to.
Christâs sake, she has a straight up âwhile you were partying, I was studying the bladeâ line in her Liu identity. Do I even have to mention the Dimensional Demon Edge? Iâm sorry, but in real life, Ryoshu would be a mall ninja. Sheâs edgy as hell in a way that she knows isnât very cool, but she loves it, and is genuine throughout.
This confirms that sheâs performing. Sheâs being a little shit and sheâs getting a huge kick out of it. From the outside, there wouldnât be much of a way to tell what sheâs actually thinking when she says these things, but this makes it clear.
Try looking at her Ryoshuisms now with this in mind.Â
Itâs one thing to notice them, but noticing their absence will also be important. We arenât there yet, but itâs something to look out for when Canto IX comes out.
Ryoshu is highly critical of otherâs concepts of family (Itâs unclear how she defines it, as no mention of the term gets a positive reception from her)
Check these out.
As you can see, itâs always Ryoshu who has something to say whenever anyone mentions âfamilyâ, and itâs never positive. It reads as defensive to me. The only time she doesnât immediately shoot it down is when Heathcliff says it, but they do draw attention to Ryoshuâs silence (possibly uncomfortable silence).
Ryoshu is capable of leading others when necessary, and cares for her teammates
At a surface level, Ryoshu seems like one of the worst people you could ask to be a leader. She only seems to care when thereâs bloodshed, right? Our perception is skewed because thereâs no way sheâs leading anything in the main story, and most of her identities show her in a subordinate role. Itâs true, sheâs perfectly content to be a lackey as long as it means she gets to fight, but when necessary, she can lead surprisingly well.
Itâs only present in her Chief Butler and Red Eyes and Penitence IDs, both of which I think are her most important identities for the purpose of understanding her better. Iâll be talking about both of them more in the second half of the essay, but the thread between both of them is that theyâre likening leadership to motherhood.Â
If you were already tuned in to this, you wouldnât have found her performance in the Spring Cultivation intervallo surprising. Of course sheâs a boss at handling kids. Despite her edgy, slightly self-serious behavior, itâs just one aspect of her that she can pull herself out of when she needs to.Â
Caring for her teammates, though, may be more surprising. I knew she cared, but I didnât know how much. Sheâs creating distance on purpose through her behavior, making it easier to mask what sheâs thinking a lot of the time. Check this out, itâs the end of TKT where Rodya is all on the fritz after the Time Ripper scoped her ass.
(Long face). Iâm so serious when I say this is the only instance in the game thus far of Ryoshu stopping and giving another sinner actual encouragement. You could maybe consider the conversation she has with Don after they survive the Sweepers, but Iâm kinda eh on that one. This oneâs irrefutable, though. Looking back on it, it may also be that the only reason Ryoshu chose to hold her tongue when Heath was calling them all family (despite her clearly wanting to say something). She knows him and knows where heâs coming from.Â
Ryoshu is one of the most perceptive people on the team
This has got to be the point with the most evidence. I feel like we (extrapolating my experience onto all of you) just kinda glazed over Ryoshu whenever she pops up in the story. She never talked that much to start with, and when she did, it was usually just expressing interest in bloodshed. Easy to tune out, right? But going through all of her text in the game made me realize how omnipresent she is where it matters.
Ryoshu reacts faster than anyone else, sometimes literally,
sometimes figuratively.
And the thing is, sheâs always right. Thereâs never been a Ryoshu hunch that ended up being wrong. She was suspicious of Dongrang super early, and clocked the kehzan guy right away. Just look at all of Timekilling Time. They would NOT have figured that shit out without her. She did so much heavy lifting there, itâs insane.Â
Her edgy, hard-to-understand nature makes for a good smokescreen for just how damn smart and keen she is. It also helps to justify her behavior. After all, an ineffective edgelord is just pathetic, but sheâs managed to wrap it all the way around to being cool by virtue of being genuinely awesome.
Like here, sheâs the only one to catch the wording in Erlkingâs speech, with Faust throwing out the âdude shut up youâre gonna spoil itâ ellipses of doom.Â
That about covers it for her character. The real analysis is in the second half. Itâs important to have gone over this first, though, because she can be real easy to misremember and mischaracterize. Now weâre on the same page!
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