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.....Tenna. Tenna listen to me. Charles is still around. The King. Listen to me very very carefully Tenna. Not again....

Further, I think that kris, noelle, and asriel is a valid reading of who the prophecy is talking about. This is because of a combination of the ambiguity of the girl in the prophecy, and catty's sermon in chapter 4 where she talks about how cute the horned hero is (it wouldn't make sense for her to just intuitively know about ralsei and it seems to parallel the undelivered letter from asriel to catty susie can find in the jacket she's wearing if you have no items).

After all, three old friends fighting a physical manifestation of their grief over the fourth friend's disappearance is a strong premise - though one that probably wouldn't go well. Considering kris is wracked with awful guilt over something they may or may not have done, noelle is so terrified of standing up for herself that she lets everyone walk all over her, and azzy is a former gifted kid who I imagine has unaddressed people pleasing tendencies (this one is a headcanon as of yet but I don't think it's too big of a leap).

And also I believe this's the interpretation that'd be the most favorable for whatever carol is doing, since she has perceived parental authority over all three of them, on top of likely knowing exactly how to reopen their old emotional wounds to make them compliant.

"why what a interesting premise" i say taking suspiciously theory shaped notes

Honestly i haven't thought too much about the 3 heros and who they could be... i like to believe that the trickster toby has duped us all and the 3 heros are actually just kris, susie, ralsei but the noelle thing is also def possible....

asriel MAYBE. it could happen. but in 3 chapters? perhaps. we'll find out.,,

I do wonder if the whole 'asriel is at college thing' was just a placeholder toby used to say "he does exist, he's just not here right now don't freak out" but then we took too seriously. maybe he wont even play a huge part. genuinely we just don't know at this stage i guess.

this is just a possibility - i honestly think it could go one way or the other - but what if kris didn't necessarily do anything that warrants guilt, but the repressed memory makes them think they might have? it wouldn't be the first time stories made use of a character misremembering what had happened

it could go either way and kris would still deserve compassion because they were a child at the time, but it is something worth noting imo just for the lore implications. whatever happened it does seem that carol is holding kris's guilt over their head, and yet the fact that kris can't even actually remember what happened gives a little ick that either dess, carol or both use that undefined guilt to their advantage. it could even determine how the story goes

if kris caused or was at fault for dess's death somehow they'd have a larger hurdle to get through in terms of going against her/carol, but would have a pretty rewarding payoff if it's done right. if kris _wasn't_ at fault, then remembering the incident clearly could help speedrun kris's decisions to not follow the will of other people, actually

DELTARUNE SPOILERS!!!

(...has it been long enough i can stop saying that yet?) oooohhh i could kiss you for asking me this ty anon

I think if something like that was to happen, which, i wouldn't say is probable but is possible, tricky tony could absolutely pull it off. It would certainly be difficult though, as it creates a whole mirage of other questions that would have to be answered.

Why did the memories get repressed then? How did carol/big bad evil person get a whiff of that, and use it against kris? Who would actually be to blame?

Let's say, for the sake of theorising, The traumatising events causing this rabbithole of thoughts are infact Dess's Death. Say they were doing magic and it went arwy, and dess ends up dead. Kris is the main one present, though not at fault. Perhaps they got attacked by a bear in the woods and dess defended them, i dunno. // The main emphasis is that it wasn't Kris's fault however dess is now dead and they are main witness/factor #1.

Survivors guilt leads to repressed memories. Repressed memories leads to a larger, guiltier sense of guilt. Suddenly you have a depressed rabid teenager with the internal belief that they killed someone, even though that's not the case (entirely.) That's the summary of how it would most likely happen anyway. We won't know till... something like 2027.... *grits teeth* TRICKY TONY WHEN I CATCH YOU BUDDY. WHEN I CATCH YOU. But genuinely, i think that would be a great plot point. It would lead to lots of character development, especially if it took Susie and Noelle and everyone else helping kris accept the 'true' version of events. Emotional character redemption arc stuff.

"whatever happened it does seem that carol is holding kris's guilt over their head, and yet the fact that kris can't even actually remember what happened" ^^^ So this is interesting, specifically because of the "kris can't even actually remember" part. This kind of will vary between people, but i don't think kris has forgotten. I think Kris knows what happened, atleast in the littlest bit. It haunts them. Maybe they've forgotten parts of the truth, and it's more of a torment of the things they do know, but all in all i do not think Kris's memories have been entirely supressed and forgotten. Memories, when suppressed, aren't totally gone. They stay shelved in your brain, except in the very dusty cobwebs where the neurotransmitters have closed off and don't transmit much anymore. They're still present, they're still there, you just can't consciously access them at will. Kris knows what happened, they know the facts, but it's probably more of a retelling of the facts version than a "i experienced this" version. They know they're (allegedly) at fault. They feel the guilt. They've done something wrong. But that's what they've been told, a outside version that pieces together of what they could actually remember. Fragments of the truth pieced together by a narrative, that probably frames them in a bad lighting to ensure complete emotional manipulation and torment. Joy! My current running theory as to what the traumatising events are is that Dess knew how dysphoric Kris was about being a human, and tried to help them by using magic/spells to turn them into a monster, like the rest of their family. And it went wrong. etc etc traumatising death/stuckinthecode/carolmanipulation