Eternal Void Seeker

bird, cat, dragon

this is book accurate to ME!!

“Then I grieve for you, Dragonmother, and for bleeding Westeros, bereft of its rightful king.”

Beneath Dany’s gentle fingers, green Rhaegal stared at the stranger with eyes of molten gold.

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Resemblances with past loves

She gave him leave to go, but as he was lifting the flap of her tent, she could not stop herself calling after him with one last question. “What did she look like, your Lady Lynesse?” 

“Ser Jorah smiled sadly. ”Why, she looked a bit like you, Daenerys.“ - Daenerys, ACOK

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”She reminds me of the mother, not the father,“ Lord Petyr Baelish said quietly. "Look at her. The hair, the eyes. She is the very image of Cat at the same age.” - Sansa, AGOT

Kissing scenes/ Assaults

“Oh,” was all Dany had time to say as he pulled her close and pressed his lips down on hers. He smelled of sweat and salt and leather, and the iron studs on his jerkin dug into her naked breasts as he crushed her hard against him. One hand held her by the shoulder while the other slid down her spine to the small of her back, and her mouth opened for his tongue, though she never told it to. His beard is scratchy, she thought, but his mouth is sweet. The Dothraki wore no beards, only long mustaches, and only Khal Drogo had ever kissed her before. He should not be doing this. I am his queen, not his woman. It was a long kiss, though how long Dany could not have said. When it ended, Ser Jorah let go of her, and she took a quick step backward. “You … you should not have …” - Daenerys, ASOS

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Sansa tried to step back, but he pulled her into his arms and suddenly he was kissing her. Feebly, she tried to squirm, but only succeeded in pressing herself more tightly against him. His mouth was on hers, swallowing her words. He tasted of mint. For half a heartbeat she yielded to his kiss … before she turned her face away and wrenched free. “What are you doing?” […] - Sansa, ASOS

He pulled her closer, caught her face between his hands, and kissed her on the lips for a long time. “Now that’s the sort of kiss that says welcome home. See that you do better next time.” - Alayne, AFFC

Complex feelings

Sometimes he thinks of me as a child he must protect, and sometimes as a woman he would like to bed, but does he ever truly see me as his queen? - Daenerys, ACOK

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“You shouldn’t kiss me. I might have been your own daughter …”

“Might have been,” he admitted, with a rueful smile. - Sansa, ASOS

I'm even interested in triggering a person like you. @eternalvoidseeker It's especially pleasant because I'm not really into about this character or the fandom.

Well, it's a shame that grrm would write that would be completely based on the morals of the day. (which he apparently only does in your head)

When for example Catherine de Medici married at 14. I don't understand why it becomes pedo when it's just history and in the public mind of the time it was a common thing for society.

That's not the case now, 5 centuries ago there was such a thing. 15 centuries ago there were things even wilder that society of the time considered normal.

I find it idiotic that I am forced to read that "weirdo paedo" now I am when I talk about the fact that in that medieval 13-14 years marriage and intimacy is common, legal.

And what I have to say is: I consider the modern framework of marriage in civilised countries 16-18 to be ideal and should be so. I am not advocating paedophilia and I am not defending it.

At that time it was believed that a girl grown up as soon as the period began could be a bride. And a little boy could and should watch the chopping off of heads. But it wasn't the best of times and the rules in it, obviously. But it's also obvious that it used to be a common thing for everybody and nobody thought about whether it was right to get married at 12-15 or not. It was a mid-century thing. Which influenced people in a certain way, on the psyche, but the environment considered these things normal and legal - which also means a lot for the person's perception of the world. I find it incredibly idiotic to make that remark and defend myself against that attack when I'm literally saying historical facts and the context of the story in which the characters exist.

I'm saying that for medieval times it was for people - Sansa or any 13-14 year old girl is already a bride. So it wasn't freakin' "illegal paedophilia". Death was kind of a problem too, so people tried to do things quickly. What's complicated about the thought: we don't approve of this order of things now, but in the context of the time it was generally accepted. Doesn't mean it's morally right for our time. But for that time, yes.

I suggest removing all books and paintings by ancient, mid-century artists for the fact that his wife was 14-15. They're paedophiles, it's like looking at Hitler's paintings. It's crazy.

Turn the cheek, isn't that what God taught? Mercy and forgiveness, or are you Old Testament? By the way, Mary was 14 when she married Joseph.

Now since we are talking about a fictional world GRRM himself has said that the age of consent in westeros is 16 year old. The reason why Sansa is married at the age of 13 is cuz' she has no protection, is a prisoner of war and is forced against her will from the king. The reason she is stuck with littlefinger even tho she doesn't trust him and is clearly uncomfortable with him kissing her is because she doesn't have anybody else to protect her. Now everyone who is smart enough to have the capacity of analysing a story would conclude that the author is clearly criticizing the people who are taking advantage of the situation and the system who lets that happen.

GRRM it's not writing a history book but a fictional one where his heroes do the right thing no matter the circumstances and try to make the world a better place that they found it. Do you think that littlefinger a person who sold Jeyne Pool into sexual slavery and probably did that to other girls without protection, started a war that killed thousand, helped orchestrate Neds death for his on personal gain and is currently poisoning a child is somehow a good person says more about you. Or that somehow that he is a good bachelor to end up with one of the characters grrm has inserted his themes of romanticism.

I'm sure the reason that only the villains of the story think of those situations as normal, has actual people in the story be critical of those marriages and show how unhappy and miserable women are on those arrangements is because grrm is actually not doing any themes or criticism of those systems.

jon xi ASOS

sansa iv ASOS

Day 2: Family

I don’t think Sansa got a bigger focus in the show. At least not until the show got past the books but we don’t know what will happen in the books. Sansa Bolton was a mistake. Having the smallfolk try to assault Sansa was a mistake. There were mistakes made in the show with Sansa but Sansa is a main character. Sansa has more chapters than BRAN. Bran, the heart of the magical story. And nobody is arguing that he’s not a main character. She has been a POV character for as long as Dany, Jon, Arya, Tyrion, and Bran. If the point was for Sansa to be a window to Littlefinger’s plot, why was she introduced as a POV in book 1 before she spends any substantial time with him? Are you trying to tell me that she got one chapter more than Arya (whom NOBODY argues isn’t an important or main character) in book 1 just so she could briefly encounter Littlefinger? So we could see into KL? Many characters were in KL at that time! And like. Critically. Littlefinger’s plot REVOLVES AROUND SANSA. She couldn’t be swapped with anyone else. If her purpose was just to clash with Arya then why did we need both sides of the conflict? Blah blah blah original outline blah blah that means very little to me given that one of the MAIN THINGS we know about George’s writing style is that he does not make long term plans and stick to them! His plan for Sansa has obviously changed since he first started workshopping the story. Sure it’s corny when people say that Sansa charmed George or whatever, because she’s a fictional child, but he clearly realizes he could do something more interesting and more significant than what he originally planned. She’s the maid with the venom dripping from her hair and the same maid who will slay the giant.

You can just say you don’t like that she was given Jeyne’s part and that it served to diminish Jon’s unique bond with Arya. That’s reasonable and I agree! But saying that doing so was giving more focus to Sansa when Sansa was already a big focus with her own independent story is just incorrect. The show runners just didn’t like what was happening in Sansa’s focus and thought it was boring and clearly didn’t know what to do with it. If you think book!Sansa won’t play as big of a part in the last two books (should they be released lol) as show!Sansa did in the last few seasons, that’s your opinion and theory.

Quotes above from the characters : Catelyn Stark, Alicent Hightower, Arianne Martell, Daenerys Targaryen, Rhaenyra Targaryen, Catelyn Stark(again), Sansa Stark.

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