ID: a reply by @essiebitssie to this post (link) which reads:
Ever since I read this post, I keep thinking about this. I guess, when ai first learned about butchfemme community, the elders (typically white butches) keep talking about how as femme I should be more protective of butches because historically they're a vulnerable member of our community. And.. before this, I was already disillusioned, and already start pushing back on the "centering butches" in my femme identity. Now I just 🧍🏽♀️
what a fucked up, misogynoir, ahistorical, damaging thing for them to tell you, i'm so sorry you (& so many other folks) experienced that. sure, white butches have always been targeted for police violence, but that's in comparison to the white supremacist expectation that the police are "on our side"; Black people experience the same & worse violence no matter how gender conforming they try to be (of course, only white people can be read as "truly" gender conforming by a white supremacist society).
these types of invocations also erase that even white fems were never unharassed — in addition to the historical association between fems & sex work, fem gender nonconformity (link 1) [this source also discusses the misogynoir assumption that Black women aren't fems] (link 2) was met with harassment & negative attention on the street (link 1) (link 2) and in places of business (in S/HE, Minnie Bruce Pratt discusses a gas station employee "jokingly" asking whether it's her 18-wheeler outside).
i personally believe the strength in butch/femme is found when we collaborate, co-conspire, & protect each other — including & especially Black femmes & femmes of color. it shouldn't only work one way, & we especially shouldn't be demanding the first + most labor from our most targeted & vulnerabilized members.
in fact, in my other excerpts of kennedy & davis's work on systemic butch privilege / fem victimization in predominantly white bar culture of the 60's, they argue that historical abuse of fems was precisely enabled by a culture that "placed the butch in the vulnerable and stressful position of defender of the community and promoted the fem as the highly desired, but unreliable, refuge or source of security" (link 1) (link 2).
the way to address historic (white) butch vulnerability isn't to further retrench into stereotypical analysis of vulnerabilized hypervisibilized white butch vs safe invisibilized white fem — sure, these are some people's experiences, but this was never the full or only story. this is ofc just one slice of history but according to kennedy & davis's work, the role of Black fems was not to "protect studs," & certainly not to "protect white butches" — i can't recall that ever being mentioned. instead, Black narrators discuss Black fems' labor to create community spaces through hosting house parties, including cooking food, diffusing police attention, & collecting cover fees for rent or community causes (link).
& ofc all of that is just from one corner of usamerican butchfem history — that doesn't encompass the intersectional experiences & nuances of an international community of butch/fem(me)-identified folks.
tbc i don't believe white butches are systemically privileged in the same way now — some of these role expectations, community standards, & behaviors absolutely persist, but the usamerican radical feminism, lesbian separatism, & sex wars movements of the 70s & 80s systematized anti-butch attitudes (imo partially as a reactionary ideology following the widespread abuse in butchfem communities of the 60s but i can't fully evidence that yet). most (predominantly white) queer spaces i've been in have been far more influenced by these anti-butch & anti-butchfem strands of reasoning, but i think in reaction to that, modern white butches & femmes give into a revisionist impulse to paint pre-sex wars history as a literal role model for butchfemme individuality & community, erasing the white supremacy & systemic violence we desperately need to address. one of my favorite things about kennedy & davis's work is that they argue butchfemme wasn't & isn't inherently liberatory or inherently oppressive, but rather both a vital means of survival for many and an incredibly harmful system for many, as well.