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Here's something I wanted to post for a while but wanted wait until after I put out my new video. (You should check it out if you haven't already btw)
So one thing I intentionally didn't want to get into in that video regarding Mother 3, was my headcanons. I did dig into that a little bit but it certainly wasn't meant to be the focus. But since on here I can type big walls of text without a character limit, I have a headcanon that has to do with Flint and Lucas (regarding one of the events that occurred during the timeskip), that I wanna share now on here.
At some point (maybe a year after chapter 3 ends), Flint does actually give up on searching for Claus everyday. But, Lucas is considerably more upset and agitated by this. The feeling that there was genuinely no hope he'd see his brother again was just too much for him to handle, and it just culminated in him as even more major grief than before. After about a week of this, Flint does actually resume searching just because he notices Lucas is so much more upset over thinking he'll never see his brother again, and Flint says "I'm sorry, Lucas. I promise we'll see your brother again. No matter how long it takes", and vows to keep searching. And even though it did help Lucas to see his father's hope reignited, it did leave a permanent rift inside him that made him ever so distant from him (subconsciously of course, he still loves his dad at the end of the day)
If I was at all decent at drawing, I would want to turn this into a comic. I think good foil to other comics I've seen where Flint emotionally ignores Lucas in favour of searching for Claus. But for now… I'm content in showing this as a text post.
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TLDR: There are subtleties with the Japanese language that give players more information about the Tanetane Island hallucination dialogues. Read more for lots of info.
This is an update (and expansion) of an outdated post I made years ago, in case you’re getting a bit of deja vu reading this.
It’s been 7 years since I first wrote about this conversation. I’m not sure if it’s still a popular fandom opinion but at one point many people took this dialogue at face value, interpreting this as a sign that Flint beats Lucas. Aside from the context clues suggesting otherwise (Lucas is drugged up during this conversation, Flint is canonically described as kind, there are no signs of abuse at home), Flint’s Japanese speech mannerisms make it clear that Tanetane Flint doesn’t speak like the real one. So how does the Japanese conversation read?
Nagutte yaru.
Omae wo nagutte yaru.
Otousan ga omae wo nagutte yaru.
With the raw translation being:
Going to strike.
Going to strike you.
DAD is going to strike you.
The verb for “strike” is “naguru” which can mean strike/beat. And the -te yaru conjugation of it does indirectly imply the speaker’s desire to enact the action, meaning that Mato’s translation is accurate. However, what doesn’t come through is how strange this sounds. Why?
Point 1: Escalation
The first thing is that the sentences are being presented in a way that’s supposed to evoke a feeling of escalation. The verb being conjugated the way it is only implies unverifiable information (“is dad saying HE’s going to do that?), so the conversation is scaling up the emotional damage with each line.
Going to strike. (That’s not good.)
Going to strike you. (That’s bad.)
DAD is going to strike you. (That’s extremely bad.)
Point 2: “Otousan ga”
This is the part of the final sentence that reads as “DAD.” The usage of the “ga” particle places emphasis on “dad” (which is why I’ve chosen to write it in all caps), similar to this sentence later in the game where Flint states omae ga (where Mato capitalizes YOU because of ga’s emphasis):
So what? Pronouns in Japanese have weird usage compared to English, so it’s not unheard of for a father character to refer to himself as “otousan.” But Flint never does. Flint consistently uses “ore” when referring to himself, even when speaking to Lucas! There’s only one instance of Flint referring to himself as “father” in the game. What does he use?
Ore wa chichioya toshite toutou (I, as a father, finally)
That’s right- he still uses “ore” as the pronoun (with “chichioya” being “father). Meaning that the Flint in Tanetane is an imposter! ඞ
Aside from the pronoun usage giving it away, the -te yaru conjugation comes across as too condescending. Flint doesn’t get a whole lot of opportunities to talk during the game… but when he does, he’s kind. He has the typical speech patterns of an adult male (Japanese gets very specific with certain speech quirks) but he’s never rude.
Point 3: Language deterioration on the whole island
There’s a certain flow to how the hallucinated conversations deteriorate on the island. There are 3 screens on the island with enemy encounters (hallucinated dialogue), which flows like this:
As the player moves through screens 1 and 2, the dialogue worsens and becomes more garbled the further in you go. The 3rd screen, which is adjacent to the “hotsping” (toxic cesspit), sees a slight decrease in the madness, with it improving the closer you get to Mixolydia’s house.
All of this is more apparent in the Japanese version, with everyone’s speech patterns and quirks, so I’ll provide mini explanations for everyone. Feel free to skip through all that if you don’t care about the specifics.
Flint_1 is pretty normal, unless you say no to him (then he’s a bit forward).
Wess_1 actually seems strangely apologetic (you could argue it as polite-adjacent) but when you examine his dialogue before his meltdown in chapter 2 and after the timeskip you realize that his tone and speech during this dialogue aren’t too far off (meaning that it’s something close-ish to normal when he isn’t flipping out). Much has been contested about how much of this conversation is actually real (especially since he’s speaking fairly normal here) but the conversation ending is strange, regardless of how you answer.
Alec_1, which is the alternate encounter if Duster isn’t with you, is a strange case. He speaks fairly normally for his last line… the screen grows darks and he turns to talk directly to the player (he’s not talking to Lucas during that part). I suspect that the devs threw this in as an easter egg since logically you have to go out of your way to get to the island without Duster (there’s nothing stopping you from trying but you get curbstomped by enemies on your way to the island). A notable thing here is that Alec isn’t speaking with his roujingo (old man’s speak) speech quirks.
Claus_1 starts out normal unless you tell him no. If you say yes, he’ll get weird and repetitive after following you for a few seconds.
Woman_1 strange rando
Kumatora only gets 1 appearance, and it’s as Violet. But she’s weird… not just for her Kumatora speech patterns but for her Violet ones. She’s being sing-songy but not quite right to be Violet (it is more Violet than Kumatora, though). At this point things are starting to turn.
Claus_2 Not using Lucas’s name but instead using omae a lot in a short amount of text, which feels rude/distant. No familiar love here.
Woman_2 strange rando
Wess_2 Same sentence over and over again. I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure you can translate this as “You’re not coming for food?”
Claus_3 Repetitive, switches up pronoun usage for Lucas (kimi instead of omae)
Wess_3 Repetitive, words garbled.
Flint_2 Starts normal-ish. Gets confrontational, then repetitive.
Flint_3 The conversation in question! He sounds unlike himself, and the escalation of his sentences fits in with all the repetition going on.
Alec_2 (we’re onto the 3rd game screen now!) Broken, jumbled, weird. Doesn’t use roujingo.
Salsa_1 is speaking human speech instead of in the parenthesis. Repeats “Lucas ga” several times.
Flint&Claus the only dual hallucination. Flint is confrontational, sharp, and rude. Claus is bringing weird vibes. Notably, their speech is not garbled. You can start to see some improvement from here.
Woman_3 strange rando.
Alec_3 Talking about Kumatora despite- to our knowledge- never meeting her (which further points to this all being Lucas’s thoughts just putting on the faces of the people he knows). Still not using roujingo, though at least his speech isn’t repetitive/garbled. The way he talks about Kumatora could probably be translated as “Princess Kumatora is nothing like a princess. The girl is like an unloveable stick.” What’s notable is that Lucas’s stick weapons use the same pattern of [adjective] [word for stick] for their names… there’s a missed opportunity to give Lucas an “unloveable stick” equip that has terrible stats.
Pusher oh hey this dude’s here. A bit repetitive but uses a pronoun that’s seemingly specific to him.
Alec_4 repetitive but finally uses his roujingo speech patterns again.
So now that I’m finally through all that, you can see how the conversation that started all this fits nicely into the spot on the island where people are talking weird and repetitive.
…And with that, I think that’s all I have to say about this particular conversation. If you found this interesting please be sure to let me know. I hope this helps anyone out there! And special thanks to @daegg123 for the incentive to rewrite a post on the topic. I've learned a lot about Japanese since I wrote that last post but still have much more to learn.
I didn't realize that my old phone had synced my photos from it onto my Google Drive, so I found this old Fassad sketch from 2020. I never really shared much about my DutyBound plans for him but one of the things I remember deciding was that his hair would be like Mario and Luigi's and that he always dyes it (along with his mustache) to hide that it's actually pink like Ionia's.
(The inspiration for that is based on the fact that if you pay attention you'll notice that Mario and Luigi's hair is a slightly different color than their staches.)
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Thinking pre-timeskip tazmily was some quaint utopia tainted by Porky/capitalism flattens the story quite a bit. In my opinion, the point was since the Tazmilians chose to forget history instead of learn from it, they were susceptible to the same downfalls as before, Porky just accelerated it.
Tazmily likely would have lasted much longer without his involvement, but their ignorance made them easy to persuade into speedrunning inhumane industrialization and consumerism, so they may have made the same mistakes more gradually without his interference.
Isaac is one of the most interesting Tazmily villagers, now that I think about it. He is established very early on as feeling like an outsider, but I didn’t realize how fast he latched onto Fassad because he felt that someone was being nice to him for once. That’s basically what it feels like— Fassad takes advantage of someone who already feels isolated by doing this seemingly very kind gesture (wanting Isaac to be happy and giving him this item which should help him with that– for free!) when it’s all just to manipulate him into listening to Fassad.
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Isaac initially seems interested in a Happy Box just for the hell of it, but I think he’s a lot more unhappy than he lets on, and Fassad being nice to him made a major difference in how he feels. It’s a shame that you won’t see this line of him offering to be a follower of Fassad immediately after getting a Happy Box if you don’t go out of your way to look for it, because it sets up a very crucial arc for him later on after the timeskip.
It says a lot that Isaac genuinely thinks that the town (and really, I think he actually means himself more than anybody) is nothing without Fassad. Fassad is the only thing that brings meaning to his life, so he’s latched on intensely to Fassad and to everything he’s brought to Tazmily.
It’s also very interesting if you look at Donna as a foil to him because she’s the other villager who expresses that she was already extremely unhappy here.
But nothing ever seems to make a difference for her. To be honest, she doesn’t seem happy after the timeskip either. She doesn’t have a job, she has no money, so she’s just always sitting around at home, wanting to go to New Pork because there’ll be more happiness there. Nothing makes her happy because, well, materialism isn’t going to solve her depression. Ollie is the same way, to the point that he almost constantly talks about being depressed. In fact, he seems more depressed than he ever was before the timeskip.
But the changes to Tazmily help Isaac because it isn’t the materialism, it’s the fact that he is actually given meaning and community that makes him deeply loyal to Fassad. He feels like he’s finally grown as a person and has found a place in life that is fulfilling to him. However, what it’s really done is make him an arrogant and unkind person.
This is why he ultimately winds up joining the Pigmasks by chapter 8. Isaac is desperate to feel like he fits in, and this is the extreme end to it because his entire village encourages support of Fassad and the Pigmasks. Isaac fits the bill of a loner who is radicalized by extremists since they are the ones to accept and (seemingly, although not really) truly care about him. It’s really sad. I feel genuinely sorry to see Isaac be manipulated in this way. He wasn’t a bad person at first. He was simply a vulnerable person taken advantage of by the worst kinds of people.
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Drago eggs are green with yellow horizontal stripes.
Dragos love chin rubs, belly rubs, and being tickled.
When a Drago is happy, their ears will twitch in a cute way.
Dragos age very slowly, and have great memory retention.
The Dragos are buddies with the Save Frogs.
Dragos eat grass, like cows. They have nine stomachs.
Dragos are VERY loud snorers. It's a common sight to see them sleeping with their mouths willingly held closed, so they don't annoy the other wildlife. Don't worry, they can breathe through their nostrils 100% fine.
Mama and papa Dragos often carry all their babies around on their backs… in a vertical stack. Thankfully, Dragos have sticky feet, so they can hang on just fine. And the Drago babies frequently get into arguments about whose turn it is to be on top of the stack.
Dragos are warm-blooded rather than cold-blooded, but love sunning themselves anyway, and often fall asleep while doing so.
Despite being mostly nocturnal, Dragos ignore their sleep cycle when humans visit them in the daytime, because Dragos think humans (especially human kids) are super adorable.
The headcanons below contain SPOILERS!
The Dragos are descended from herbivorous dinosaurs, since the Dark Dragon's power protected the Nowhere Islands from whatever event(s) killed all the other dinosaurs.
Lucas helped the surviving Dragos hide from the Pigmasks during the three-year timeskip. After the Earth is finally restored, he visits them frequently.
Hinawa stays good friends with the former Mecha-Drago in the afterlife, and reassures him that she doesn't blame him for killing her while brainwashed.
Ionia and Aeolia are buddies with the Dragos, since they both live relatively close to Drago Plateau. Alec's love for Dragos is one of the main reasons he became friends with the Magi.
Found this while digging around in my old files today! This is the unfinished sketch layer to the 23rd page of chapter 0, featuring some light flirting, haha. The panels read as follows:
Alec: I don't expect to convince you of anything. [break] I only came to find out what makes you tick.
Wess: ...Yeah?
Alec: Yeah. Scope out your morals, get a feeling for what drives you, you know.
Alec [cont.]: Normal first date stuff.
Wess: WHAT?!
Alec: Hahaha, I kid. I kid. [tiny letters, to himself] Mostly.
Alec [cont.]: This won't get anywhere with such a sullen look on your face. [break] I was simply wondering what was really bothering you about all this.
Fun fact! Part of what Alec says in the last panel is a reference to that part in Mother 3 where Alec teams up with Flint to find Claus. I like to interpret Alec's humor as a mechanism for trying to diffuse tension/bad situations, which would have been further explored in Dutybound.
The other fun fact is that this page skeleton is almost 2 years old. Wow 2021 really hit me like a freight train, didn't it.
Gonna crawl out of my hole and make Weslec content to test the site's new tag ban, similar to what I did during the 2018 purge.
In 2018 the site tried to ban a Weslec pic I made of them holding hands (scandalous!) and so- after appealing the post- they unblocked that picture but also unblocked the single actual not safe fw picture that I drew of them, for some reason.
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She’s not dating her in this blog (not yet anyways) but her name is Ashley (stolen from the post below by @/kynimdraws) and she was a waitress at club titiboo. She has a gum chewing habit because she used to be a smoker.
Hi! this is the mod of the Kumatora ask blog u RBed the GF post from. Sorry before but ur tags reminded me to credit the person who came up with the name Ashley properly. So maybe u could rb the updated version if u want.
Thank you very much for letting me know! I really appreciate that you made sure that the idea gets properly sourced. People have really cool headcanons and I think all of you are very rad people. Have a great day!