DeadFishStudios

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-Hey guys, my name is Deadfish Studio! (I am NOT an actual studio, I’m a single person; I just liked the name and the design I made for it). This is my art blog, where I will probably be posting mostly (if not all) my personal Warrior Cats designs

-This design blog is basically my way of journaling and putting down ideas/designs so that I can remember them. And sharing them with you guys reminds me that my art is Infact peak & ai free.

My personal/casual blog is @tetristhedutchie , though its just art/things I like and reblog that isn’t always warriors related.

• If you’ve read below and you understand what I said, then go ham & enjoy my art ^^

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Important boundaries and things to know before requesting/commenting:

•All designs are all free to use/edit/ be inspired with credit; you can either @ me, or just reblog the post you used. Anyway that I can know that you used my design ^^

• You can request/ask me anything related to Warrior Cats, from my opinions abt a certain character, to drawing a certain character so long as it states that I’m open.

•If you ask/request something while it states that I’m closed, then I will ignore it even when I reopen.

• If you requested something like a day or 2 before I closed however, I will still do it, albeit a bit slowly

• I WILL draw: any canon wc characters, no matter how obscure. You can request multiple at a time, and I can draw them interacting rather then my usual format if u ask

hypokits between canon characters

appropriate ships between canon characters (doesn’t matter how crazy, or the gender, so long as it’s not kit x warrior, littermates, or something along those lines)That’s abt it rly

I WILL NOT draw: Ocs, anything that is not in the ‘Will Draw’ category, though this could always be subject to change

•If I’m am uncomfortable/confused abt an ask/request, I might reply with a question asking for details, but don’t be too surprised if I just Ignore it

• Most if not all of my posts will have my personal headcannons/opinions on the character. I am open to discussion, comments and constructive criticisms about my hcs/art, so long as it’s respectful. If we cannot have a peaceful or respectful conversation, you insult my art, or you align with beliefs that I personally believe are harmful, then I will block you without warning.

Sorry for abandoning y’all gng, I’m lowkirkenuinly going through it rn (dw im just incredibly busy)💔. Fortunately I do know what chars I’m gonna post after Daisys remaining kits, but I’ll be sure to tell you guys when I disappear again (fairly soon).

Design Notes:

- Mostly looks like his mom, where he gets his build, ear tufts , nose color and face patterns from. But he also look a fair bit like his dad, who he gets his body patterns, tail and leg fur (the latter giving him his suffix), his eyebrows, nose pattern, and eye color from

- I made his pupils look more like a toads, to look more like his namesake. He’s also short and stocky, and his paws (and also back but u can’t rly see it) resemble lily pads.

- fun fact, Toad doesn’t have a confirmed eye color, so I’ve been deciding wether or not I should give him Daisy’s or Spider’s. Amber looks nice on him, but that’s Rose’s confirmed eye color, even if I didn’t actually give it to her. Blue also looks kinda cute on him, but it doesn’t feel like his eye color yk? A hazel green fits him best in my opinion, but neither of his parents have that, and I don’t want him looking too much like his half siblings. Idk, I have an alt version below with daisys eye color

Headcannons:

• To me he’s just a really simple guy. As long as he has his friends and family, his favourite food (mouse), and the ability to do his favourite things (goofing around and jumping over logs), then he’s happy and content.

• Although he’s a goofball with a tendency to play pranks on his clanmates to ‘loosen things up a little’, he cared deeply for his clan, and wanted to be in the best shape to defend it. That’s why if he’s not doing background character things or being silly, you’ll find him in the training grounds sparring with his other clanmates.

• Had a tendency to latch onto older warriors he found cool, and follow them around while asking endless questions. Lionblaze was one of the first, Thornclaw and Dustpelt were a few others. There was a period of time he tried following Spiderleg around, but after being rudely brushed off and ignored countless times, with Rosepetal’s and Mousewhisker’s help, he finally accepted that he didn’t need to know Spider like that.

• Speaking of Rosepetal, he loved bothering her, and he made it his personal duty to be the most annoying and bothersome little brother he could be. He would mess up her hunts (only in green leaf of course), aim his scent really close to her when marking borders, and would just bug her in her free time. Of course, it was all in fun, and if Rose was in an especially bad mood, he would leave her alone or comfort her with jokes. Despite everything, they were overall very close littermates

The post I promised abt the twins! I didn’t know how to describe it in Mouse’s so I’m going more in depth here. Anyways, here is how to tell them apart! ^^

Twin number two. Unlike his sister, I have significantly more thoughts on him because he’s the last surviving kit of Daisy and he’s related to basically no one in the clan. Also found his crush on Minnowtail cute, and I think they could’ve been more like Beechfur & Gorsetail, when they kinda just have kits and nothing is made of their relationship yk?

Design Notes:

YOOO?!?? TYSM for requesting me anon! I rly appreciate the fact that you liked my art enough to request ^^ (and no you didn’t understand anything, if it says it’s open it’s open). I personally like designing a cats parents/family before doing the cat themselves, so Needle will come some time later if that’s alr with you. In the mean time take an Alder and some hcs to go

To me Alder feels like he could have more potential. Like yeah he was the protagonist for an arc, but after that he kinda just got pushed to the side, despite the fact that his parents and sister are very relevant for the arcs beyond (including the newest one). Idk, just feels like he could’ve been used more.

Design Notes:

Twin number one. I don’t remember ANYTHING abt her.I Know shes shipped with Hollyleaf sometimes and she’s Berrynose’s brother, but that’s it. Like the design I made of her tho

Design Notes:

- Her tail looks like hazel. Specifically, it looks like hazel catkins. Picture down below

- Build wise shes her own thing, but he has her mom’s face and her dad’s colours (both eyes and pelt).

- Decided to make it so that she had both her parents pink colours depending on the color of her pelt. Idk how to describe it, so just look at her paw and ear colors.

Headcannons:

• In the wiki, Jayfeather claims that Hazel and her litter mates sound a lot like their mother, who’s from the horseplace. So i like to imagine that Hazel and her litter mates have southern/texan accents, that they may or may not have been teased for.

• I like to imagine that Hazeltail was the cheerful, confident twin while Mousewhisker is the more quiet reclusive one. I imagine that she had a tendency to be short-tempered , but she had control over it and it wasn’t as bad as Berrynose

• this was canon (source:the wc wiki), but she demonstrated incredible fighting and jumping skills, and I like to imagine that she was even up there with Lionblaze (without his powers ofc) and Berrynose, who I imagine was fairly good at everything.

• Hazeltail wanted to be important to the clan. Not necessarily to become deputy or to be popular, but she wanted cats to recognize her name or to call on her when they need help. For in order to accomplish that, she would cover patrols and tasks for others, sign up for dangerous patrols, that sorta thing

• That last hc is the main reason why she and Foxleap got along so well. Because they were both signing up for the same patrols, they had more opportunities to talk to eachother and they discovered that they were alike in a lotta ways. Idk man, they kinda just clicked yk? She was also friends with her half-siblings, Hollyleaf, and Honeyfern (when she was alive).

• I think it would be very funny if she was the less intense version of Rosetail sometimes; knowing all the insider info within the clan but only using it for minor things, and giving out unprompted relationship advice (even though she was single)

• There was a passage in to books where Hazel went to visit her father’s barn, and she showed Smokh her fighting moves and it was just so cute man. So I like to imagine that she (and Mouse, because Berry didn’t rly care) Would visit Smoky at his barn sometimes. When Hazel died, Mouse still came by ever once in a while, if only to talk with his dad sometimes.

Minor Squirrelflight redraw for a request I have coming up! If you wanna looks at my hc and thoughts for her (though it’s old, angsty and more of a minor Squirrels Hope AU), then feel free to click the link below!

Back when I was drawing him, I thought that he lowk sucked because he moved on from Floss and Daisy so quick (just that overall situation, but I also thought he was a cheater). But after reading the wiki and doing some research, I discovered that he’s actually a chill guy. Sorry Smoky, but I’m too proud of this overall drawing to redo you. Also mild spoilers for the ASC arc and Frostpaw’s/Whistlepaw’s full names, and Daisy’s Kin if u care abt that.

Design Notes:

- Third character whose design is not based on his name. When I was drawing him all I was think about is how he’s from the country side, and how he lives on a farm by horses, and that he probably has a Texan accent even if it doesn’t make any sense. So I just made him a gray and white cat who somehow looks bald and has bald patches at the same time. Sorry once again Smoky

- He (and his fellow grey and white children) has another pic below the cut showing what the other side of them looks like.

Design A. Design B

Ngl, I really hated her back when I first read abt her in the books due to that weird thing she had going on with Cloudtail, along with her attitude towards clan life. But after reading her novella I honestly love her now??? It’s been a while now, so I can’t even say why it changed my opinion, but I still think shes absolutely goated.

Design Notes:

- Just realized as I’m posting this that I didn’t make her a design based of her name…. Yk it’s fine, I have an alt design I drew rq that I’ll post at the end (it also makes Hazeltail & eventually Rosepetal make sense)

- That lil mishap aside, shes honestly just how I envision her in my head when I read the books. Her ribbon comes from the twolegplace, as I like to imagine that she spent more time in the house with her twolegs rather than at the barn with Smoky. I’ll delve into that below.

Headcannons:

• I like to think that Daisy lived more with the twolegs than in the barn, and would only go outside every once in a while; such as to enjoy the nice weather, or okay in the snow. I like to think that one day Smoky visited her by the window, and convinced her to move into the barn more permanently. She’d still visit the house and get the best of both worlds, but she’d sleep in the barn with Smoky for example.

• Might delve into this is Smoky’s post, but I think that he may have been polyamorous? It would explain why he had two mates at once, and neither Daisy nor Floss minded eachother. Lowk though? I don’t know much about polyamory, so I apologize in advance if I mess up Smoky/ misrepresent what polyamory actually is.

• Daisy wasn’t necessarily weak, but she wasn’t necessarily the strongest either. She’s aware of the fact that she probably wouldn’t last more than a moon in the wild, so she goes to the place that she believes is the safest and comfortable for both her and the kits. Shes content to stay in then barn, then she flees for the safety of her kits, then she flees back to the barn again for the safety of her kits.

• Something that catches my eye however, is that she tends to puts her kits above herself every chance she’d get, and cares plenty for their wants even when it contrasts with her own. Because despite the fact she was content to stay in the farm, she went back to the clans yet again because the kits really loved it there.

• Why Daisy fell for Spiderleg is a mystery not even ThunderClan knows. My guess is that Spiderleg was a black tom with a mysterious aura, and had the best banter once you warmed up to him. Or maybe Spiderleg just liked single moms, who knows? Either way Daisy liked him but broke up with him due to his incompetence with their kits, and ultimately moved on and made peace with being single.

• Along with Ferncloud back when she was alive, Daisy’s role didn’t only involve caring and watching over kits, but the same also applied to the clan. Her main thing is just listening to a cats struggles while purring and licking the top of their head in silence. Her reason for it is because her desire to be a mother didn’t fade, and she didn’t have a desire to get another mate to have kits. Ntm that as of the CS arc, shes among the oldest cat there, so she simply decided to ‘adopt’ the entire clan as her own.

• Ever since her 2nd last surviving kits died, Daisy felt a little hollow on the inside. She mostly manages her grief by caring for the clan, but when she really can’t handle it she seeks out Mousewhisker. Together, they kind just sit and reflect on the good times, before sitting in silence for a few minutes before falling asleep together.

• She and Ferncloud were also the best of friends, and they picked up a lot of habits and advice from eachother. Mainly Fern putting flowers in her pelt & around the nursery, and Daisy collecting pretty trinkets for the kits and clan. Daisy was devastated when Fern died, and she planted ferns of variant sizes around the nursery as a reminder.

• idk man shes just a guy, just chilling in the clan doing her own thing.

She seemed pretty nice from what I can remember, which isn’t really much tbh. Still, I prefer her to any bg character past OOTS.

Design Notes:

- I gave her Ferncloud’s patterns because it’s cool, and we need more of her kits to look like her

- basically another clone of her mother, even more so than her brother. Except this time she has her dads nose marking, ear shape, and lack of tufts.

- She has Ashfur’s eyes. As mentioned in Foxleap’s post, I wanted Fern’s last litter to have one trait from their uncle. Made an alt version that’s coloured as Ghost (that one char I made to be Ash’s & Fern’s father), cuz it looked pretty.

Headcannons:

• Cars often call her the ‘calmer’ and ‘more mature’ sibling, because she wasn’t as hyper or excited as her brother. This is not the case, and more often than not shes the one who would tell Fox all the right Intel so he could be in exactly the right place to cause trouble (and have her paws clean of any of it the entire time).

• Fun fact, in the same conversation where Foxpaw wanted to be called ‘Foxcatcher’, Icepaw wanted to be called ‘Icestorm’. While I don’t think it fits her as well, I still think it’s a pretty cool name.

• Ice didn’t really like Jayfeather because he kept bossing her around. and according to the wiki there was a time she slept in the warriors den instead of the medicine den, because she was upset with Jay.

• On that last note, maybe she only came to the medicine den when Leafpool was around. And when she caught greencough, she held it in because she didn’t wanna be treated by him and thinking that it would pass anyways, only for her to die due to not checking in soon enough. I know that’s kinda sad, but it would be kinda funny ngl

• While Ice didn’t ever want a mate and kits of her own, she just thought that kits were oh so cute, and would spend every opportunity in the nursery so that she could watch over and play with them. Shes the kinda gal that loves kits and hanging with them, but really appreciated handing back to their parents when the day ends.

• No. 1 gossiper along with Hazeltail, Cherryfall, and the elders, and would persistently hang around a cat for days on end until they finally gave her what she wanted. She wasn’t exactly mean with it, she was just a really nosy cat who couldn’t physically mind her own business.

The only thing I remember about this guy is him wanting to be named Foxcatcher (and maybe trying to catch a fox once before being told off?). Idk, he was very cute, and I liked him and Icecloud’s relationship.

Design Notes:

- He and Ice are the first DustFern kits to NOT have amber eyes. I’ve been blessed

-He has the same tail/chest shape as his mother, who he resembles the most overall. He also has her cheek fluff and ear patterns. Only thing he really got from dad is his nose marking, ear shape and pelt color, which comes from Robinwing.

- Was going to leave him plain when I searched him up and realized he was a tabby, so I gave him Fern’s patts and called it a day. Supposed doesn’t have a confirmed eye color, so I gave him Fern’s

- Gave him Ashfur’s hair + eye patterns. Thought it would be nice to give Fern’s last litter something that resembles their uncle just because, also it looks cool. Should probably redesign Ash with lighter hair tips though.

My actual king. Nah like srs he’s my fav semi-background character, and I need like 151 maps on him NOW. He’s like Whitestorm except instead of having a chuddy dad it’s lowk his whole family 💔

Design Notes:

- He’s slightly more saturated than his dad, but he still looks grayish/dusty so that his kits being grey makes more sense. Have a more vivid alt version below

-Square. His build is squared, his stripes are squared, his face is squared. He resembles a birch tree: tall and sturdy, his tail looks like it could be a tree branch, and his stripes have gaps and circles in them like most birches do. Didn’t use a ref for this, so just trust me bro

- Out of all the dust/fern kits he’s the one that looks the most like his dad. The only thing he got from his mom are her muzzle patterns, hair on his head, the fur in his tail that resembles a leaf, face/body pattern (not stripes), and his ear patterns.

Headcannons: ‘AUish’ in the sense that it corresponds with my other headcannons, but idrk. Crosses into fanfic territory. This is a long one, I fear

• As a kit, Birchkit was quite lonely. He had his parents yeah, but something about them was distant, and his mom left him at times. He also had no friends his age, and his brothers were significantly older than him & had ‘grown up’ stuff to do. His fav brother was Shrewpaw, because he would keep him company & play with him, while Spiderleg would just grunt then turn tail. But then he died one day, and he was lonely again.

• Wasn’t really attached to the old forest, despite being born then, and had a better memory of the lake territories. Still keeps in touch with the ShadowClan cats he journeyed with though

• He was apprenticed to Ashfur, who he has an odd dynamic with. Ash (his uncle) played with him when he was a kit occasionally, and Birchpaw looked up to him greatly. Yet Ashfur wasn’t over the break up with Squirrelflight, and he became a bit more distant with his nephew; often zoning out and forgetting important assessments/training dates. Despite this, Birch still looked up to him, and the training he did get was quite impressive.

• Birchfall is childish in nature, and he tends to have the urge to play games of mossball, go on mild adventures with friends, and play fight (not spar, play fight), with the majority of his clanmates, but especially his mate and kits. He would try to play fight with Dustpelt, but he would always be too busy and would get annoyed with Birch’s behaviour.

• While Whitewing was the strict ‘no fun’ mom who kept things in order, Birchfall was the fun dad that would take his kids out hunting/patrolling and would constantly give second chances.

• His recruitment into the Dark Forest was mostly because he wanted to train to be a better warrior, in order to be a better protector for his family. However, a small part of him sometimes believed that his clanmates didn’t like him & his antics, and he still didn’t have any real friends in his clan. The DF offered both company and better fighting skills, and this was proven true when both Ivypool and Applefur (cat he befriended as a kit on the lake journeys) were also there.

• Apart from that, his life before the great battle was his best life; He was close with both his kits (especially Ivypool), he had a loving mate, and he was an overall success and well-liked warrior despite his worries. Along with that, his mom was able to be more present now that all the kits were grown, and despite his slight annoyance at his sometimes kittish antics, Dust was proud at how successful his son was.

• Then the great battle happened, and it was discovered he was training in the DF. His mother and friend was killed, and his dad disowned him for his association with her murderers. Then on top of that, Ivypool became distant for a bit, and Whitewing was so devastated that she couldn’t even look him in the eye. Heartbroken was too light a word to describe how he was doing. So as a last resort, he went to the only sibling he had left.

• Spiderleg was gruff, maybe a little bit hostile, but nothing too horrible right? They were brothers and their mother and siblings just died in a horrible battle! surely he’ll spare him some time, maybe even reconnect. At first, Spiderleg was distant and would just ignore him. But Birch was determined to get some kind of answer from him, even if it was just a tail on the shoulder, or a word of reassurance. Yet as he finally cornered Spider in a secluded part of the forest near the burial sight, he didn’t get what he expected too.

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(Feel free to skip to the other headcannons until you see a barrier like above. If you are gonna read, then content warning for arguments (degradation), and overall angst. No happy stuff here

“Did you really expect to get sympathy from me?”

He glared at Birchfall, his back turned towards him. Despite wording it as such, Spiderleg’s tone implied it wasn’t a question. Yet Birchfall didn’t really understand why he was acting this way. Was he just grieving?

“Finally remembered me now that you have no one to run to, didn’t you?”

Birchfall lowered his head. “I don’t understand, aren’t we brothers Spiderleg? I-I know we aren’t really close like that, but shouldn’t we support each other-?”

“Support? Support, Birchfall?! Why would I support anybody, let alone a cat like you?”

Birchfall looked up in shock; he wasn’t expecting an outburst, and he couldn’t decipher what could cause something like this. Trying to cool things off a little, Birchfall stepped forward a pawstep.

“Woah! uh- I’m really sorry I upset you Spiderleg, I can give you some space, is that that what you wanted?”

Spiderleg laughed. It wasn’t a laugh that came from joy. Rather, it was a raspy thing that came from moons of exhaustion and amusement at something that wasn’t quite funny.

“You want to give me something as measly as space, when you took everything from me?”

Birchfall opened his mouth to say something, but Spiderleg quickly interrupted him by standing up and making his way towards him slowly. his pelt bristling and teeth bared

“You took my parents, you took my brother’s time and attention, you took the life I was supposed to live and more. You have everything Birchfall, and yet you still want more of me, when I have nothing? That’s quite selfish of you, isn’t it?”

Birchfall stepped back and flattened his ears. “But you didn’t have to stay like that Spiderleg I- You have Mousewhisker, your former apprentice. Starclan Spiderleg, you even had Daisy, and the kits you had with her too!

Spiderleg was more than halfway through the small clearing when he stopped. Something in the black tom’s eyes warned Birchfall not to continue, yet he did so anyways.

“You know they ask me quite a lot about you, r-right? Always wondering about where you went, and what you were like? They still look up to you Spiderleg, even after all these years! Toadstep always wanted badger rides from you, a-and Rosepetal was always curious about the tom she looked like.”

“Stop-”

“And me too!! I’ve always wanted to know who Shrewpaw’s brother was, who my brother was. He spoke so highly of you and I wanted to meet you but y-you kept running away and *sniffle*, and- and it was like you didn’t like me or something…”

Spiderleg glared down at him, yet the mood seemed to shift a little bit. He was angry, but he also seemed…uncomfortable? Birchfall took this as a sign he was getting through, and he slowly padded closer to him until they a mouse-length away.

“Please Spiderleg, I…. We’re all that we have left. Foxleap is dying, and Icecloud is in too much grief to even patrol, let alone look at me. Why be lonely when we’re fox-lengths away? Please Spiderleg, just please, please give me another chance…”

He crouched before Spiderleg, flattening his ears and looking up at him, tears falling from his amber eyes. He hoped that his older brother would finally look at him with something other than disgust and annoyance, as if he was a persistent flee in his pelt.

And as Spiderleg looked at him as if he was an actual cat, he felt hope surging through his pelt. Maybe this was all just a misunderstanding, and they could become brothers for the first time. Soon, all this will pass, and Whitewing would forgive him, and their kits could even be friends!-

*Splut*

Birchfall jumped back in shock as he felt something wet on his face. and when he raised his paw to wipe it off, he was disgusted to discover that it was saliva. He got up from his crouching position and took a step back, glaring at Spiderleg for the first time this conversation.

“You…. You spat on me….”

Spiderleg glared at him with a cold fury in his eyes, his pelt smooth as he unsheathed his claws

“I hope Bramblestar sees you for the pest you truly are, and exiles you. That way, you’ll die a rouges death, all alone, with nothing but your childish ideals and unrealistic morals.”

Spiderleg walked past him, slapping Birchfall’s face with his long tail. Birchfall snapped his head towards the black tom he used to call his brother, and spotted him at the edge of the clearing. Spiderleg was about to walk off, but then he stopped, and looked at Birchfall one final time

“You’re not my brother. You never have been, and never will be. And…. And never bring up that Kittypet and her Half-Clan kits again”

And just like that, he stepped out the gloomy clearing, as if he was never there to begin with…

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• The confrontation didn’t go too well, and Birchfall genuinely felt like he was at fault for everything bad that happened to him. For moons, he would sulk by ShadowClan’s border near the lake, grieving his family and old friend from the neighboring clan.

•Then one day, as leafbare was ending, Whitewing would walk up to him and ask to have a very long conversation. Birchfall would cry his heart out and apologize for everything that happened, and White would forgive him and apologize for not handling things a bit better. As they share a nest for the first time in moons, Birchfall can’t help but think that he’d go through all that heartbreak again if it meant that his mate would still love him

• He still grieves for his family despite everything; Foxleap succumbed to his battle wounds, Dustpelt died fighting a badger invasion, and Icecloud and Spiderleg died in the same greencough outbreak. Those moons were tough, but all the while he had his family to hold him up; his only family.

He’d help babysit Ivy’s kits, like the good grampa he is.

• When Dove left for ShadowClan he was heartbroken at first, and it was as if he was losing his family all over again. But he had to be there for White and Ivy, and when he discovered that Dove was not only happy, but even named one of her kits after him?! His heart couldn’t take it! White joked that Dove didn’t name one of her kits after White, because she kept nagging back in her apprentice days. Birch smuggly thought that he was just that cool and good and fun of a dad- (White smacked his face with her tail before he could continue)

• Overall, he’s lived a good life. And as he gets older, he can’t help but somehow be grateful for all the bad things that happened in his life in order for him to be this content…

Deadbeat #2. I actually found his reason to not be a father (Feeling useless around them/ not wanting them in the first place) to be an interesting reason for a warrior cat character. Not that I excuse it of course, but I do like the contrast between him and Birchfall.

Design Notes:

- His paws/legs (and technically his tail but not rly) are based off of actual tarantula paws/feet. I kinda struggled with what I wanted, so he has an alt mini version at the end of this post.

- He’s basically a clone of his dad, having his eyes, build, and patterns (if he didn’t have stripes). However he has his mom’s darker legs, and the extra fluffiness he has is the same shape as his mothers fern-like pattern

Headcannons: (this is a long one, almost crosses the line of fanfic/AU, but not quite I think)

• He and Shrewpaw were really close as kits. Infact, Spiderkit/paw used to be a mischievous, playful little guy (source:the warriors wiki), and he and his brother would just be normal siblings who go into trouble often. This changed when the old territories started to get destroyed, and Dust and Fern had their second litter.

• Suddenly, Spider was tossed aside because 1. He was ‘just an apprentice’, and ‘they were better cats to help with the forest’. And 2. His parents didn’t have the time for all his shenanigans, and focused their attention on their newest litter. To Shrew, this just meant he had to work harder for both the clan, and for his parents. But to Spider, he felt like he was being abandoned when he needed to most, and he started to resent his entire family, including Shrew.

• The last point caused him to become grumpy and bitter, and he swore to himself he’d never have a family again, less either he or they abandon him again. He’d only have acquaintances; clanmates he patrolled and hunted with often, and cats he’d share his views with when things went well.

• This view sorta changed when Daisy came to the clans, and he was given Mousewhisker as an apprentice. Due to having to work with her son often, he started to grow fond with Daisy and eventually fell in love with her. Dustpelt disapproved of this quite loudly, but at that point Spider didn’t really care as much for Dust anymore and went along with it, thinking that he and Daisy could just live their lives in peace.

• Then Daisy had kits. And things went south quickly. Having kits didn’t align with his previous views, and he just felt kind of awkward around them. Like what if he grew to love them, only to neglect them moons later, causing them to hate him like he did with his father? What if he was a bad father to start, and they hated them from the get go? He didn’t know what to do, so he did…. Nothing. He pretended that the kits didn’t exist, but that Daisy did, and that made things really tense. This caused them to argue a lot, and ultimately caused their break-up

• Spider didn’t want to lose Daisy, because he still loved her (apparently canon???), and he tried to get close with the kits so that he could win Daisy back. At first Daisy was happy with the progress, but then she figured out his intentions and they broke up again. This made Spider more bitter and grumpy, and he stopped playing with the kits.

• Then to rub salt in the wound, his little brother, Birchfall, who although wasn’t as loved by their parents as they should be, still had them more present in his life then they ever were with Spider…. Had kits, with a mate he wanted and kept, and ended up being a better father than Spider could ever be.

•Yeah… Spider resented/envied Birch and his kits, and without realizing it, he became mildly antagonizing to Birch and his family. He downplayed his brother’s accomplishments, muttered about them behind their backs, and when he clearly saw his two daughters struggling with clanlife, he did nothing.

• Clanmates became uncomfortable around him, and when his parents got hold of this? They disowned him fully and completely. Spider didn’t seem angry at first, but deep inside a little part of him hoped that his parent still loved him, despite everything they did. He was so resentful Infact, that when Birch got disowned after the great battle, he laughed at him for losing everything, and belittled him a bit more before crawling away to do his own thing.

• A few moons after that, he died of greencough. Most cats who didn’t see his full spiral remembered him as a dedicated clanmate. But cats who knew and saw him to his full extent didn’t think as fondly, and made their messages quick. He got into StarClan because ‘being mean/distant isn’t a sin, and he wasn’t loved enough by the cats around him’. Kind of a contrast to his uncle Ashfur, who he spoke with a few times before doing his own thing.

• Although he’s in StarClan, his dead clanmates treat him with the same awkwardness as they did in life, and he acts the exact same way he did in life, making no effort to form a connection with his kits. Not to mention his silhouette is on the brisk of fading away, with the only memories of him in the clan being Mosewhisker’s semi-fond apprenticeship with him, and Daisy’s & Birchfall’s not so fond encounters of him.