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Hi there, I am a boring person with a massive following of 12 accounts, some of which are bots. Anyways. So OP began by quoting a transgender author who essentially says, “If you think people who want to transition to female is solely a fetish, you are reducing women to their sexuality. To which you reply this is a strawman because the people who believe this stuff about trans people being mere fetishists do, in fact, actually see cis women as more than their sexuality. you also bring up that “Just because some white dudes fetishize Japanese women and we point it out, doesn’t mean we think japanese women are sex objects.” if you had just left it at that, it would have been an accurate, though incomplete counterargument. because it’s true that when i go through radfem blogs, they frequently reblog stuff like south korean women protesting porn spycams and bullshit workplace dresscodes by cutting their hair, not wearing feminine things, and not being doormats. so it’s clear they have a beef with sexual objectification and subjugation of women and want women to be valued for their ideas and accomplishments and so on. but instead of just leaving it at that, you acted like a total dickhead and smeared an entire group of people, some of whom are children. which is quite reprehensible but unsurprising given the unchecked misandry of radfem circles (i don’t really care if you are one or not since you sound exactly like them). now, i doubt you would actually seriously go up to a very young transgirl, who has known they were trans from an early age, like Kai Shappley, and tell her she is a creepy boy who is sexualizing and fetishizing women. because you’d sound like a total loser and she’d very maturely tell you that your perception of her is wrong. however, that is just the logical conclusion of the sort of ideas you are spreading and defending. another thing that contradicts the caricature you have made of trans women is butch transwomen. then there are asexual trans women. there are trans women who dress plainly, and trans women who grow their hair long and wear makeup but don’t sexualize themselves any more than a “normal,” girl would, there are trans teenagers whose main hobby is drawing innocuous, not remotely pornographic things, and so on. it’s not as if every transwoman is out there posting futa porn on 4chan, and if they are, that’s not really my business anyways unless they do something that is legitimately creepy and predatory. And I will also directly address this quote you made. “No, it makes the case that trans people don’t value the opposite sex as anything more than performative gender norms and sexual characteristics.” I have seen this argument packaged in other ways, such as “Why can’t you just be a feminine man,” or a “butch woman.” And if that is who you are inside I totally think you should be that and you should not feel pressured to transition in order to conform to a hostile society. That being said, what many cis people repeatedly do is make this issue about themselves when it’s really not. I think the obvious cause of this is believing trans people are not the gender they say they are. the thing is, even if you believe this, the lack of empathy exhibited is glaring. i am a cis woman, i think, or at the least i am typically fine with looking like a girl. if i was in a very masculine body with a lot of body hair and very manly features, i would hate it. I would also hate feeling isolated from other girls and I would be terrified of acting like myself and being open about it around boys because people are called horrible names and even beat up for that. it may have gotten better in america over the decades, but it would still be a negative experience. even if being male gives you certain privileges, not being yourself is a heavy price to pay, just like pretending to be straight is a heavy price for a gay person to pay. Besides that, your response in itself is a strawman, ironically. You assert that trans people see the opposite sex as just a set of stereotypes. This ignores that many trans people, including likely the majority of progressive left trans people on tumblr, accept non binary and gender nonconforming identities. sure, there are binary trans people who will lash out at those groups because they feel threatened, but theirs are not the only opinions that exist. as for feeling threatened and lashing out at other identities in self defense, there’s cis gender people who do that as well. such as when some butch women insist trans men are actually women because they don’t want to deal with people thinking that they might also be men because that undermines some feminist cause on gender roles and i’m sure you know this since you have probably seen their arguments before. basically, your argument that transwomen see women as a set of feminine stereotypes is itself a strawman because there’s transwomen who are butch and transwomen who recognize and respect butch cis women or drag queens and so on. Also, I’m going to respond to what you say here: “And again, there’s this assumption that anti-trans people assume that femininity is a costume, when in fact the primary arguments I’ve seen from the opposing side has NOT been that, but has been that *trans people treat the opposite sex like that.* Nowhere, mind, did I say that *I agree with that assessment* “ So you claim that you never said you agree with the assessment that trans people treat the opposite sex like a set of feminized and sexualized stereotypes. However, earlier, you stated: “However pointing out that the trans movement tends towards being very fetishising of the opposite sex….” So make up your mind. Are trans people a bunch of perverted men fetishizing women and femininity or not? Don’t try to half assedly weasel out of statements you had previously made and act like you’re not one of the radfems, you’re just one of the people defending them….while in the process of doing so having to resort to their transphobic reduction of their gender identity to a fetish. Because that’s what people like you do. You’re like the feminists equivalent of Dave Rubin. you say you never claimed to be on the radfem side, but you end up using their same arguments down to using the very same words like “performative femininity.” and you’re definitely not unique in that regard because transwomen see this happen time and again. truthfully, you likely wouldn’t have the nerve to say this in public. let’s say at a wedding. you’re not going to go up to a transwoman marrying her husband and say, “your lifestyle is a fetish,” because everyone would think you are being a total fucking asshole. it is not different from homophobes reducing gay marriage to anal sex and “sexual perversion.” it sounds exactly the same. so if you ever wonder why a man like ben shapiro, who literally was afraid to go to a hypothetical barbecue his gay friend invited him to, because “I don’t want to be in any orgy,”, agrees with radfems about trans people, this is fucking why. because the same person who throws all trans people under the bus by pointing to people like jessica yaniv, is the same person who will say gay men are a disease because Kevin Spacey preyed on children. if you have a conscious to realize this problem, you won’t take apart pro-trans arguments by using the same kind of dogma homophobes use, wrapped up in feminist moral outrage over the objectification of women. if you want to go after trans people who say very degrading things about women, absolutely do it. but the way to do that is not through defending transphobes.   so in short: 1) You correctly state that radfems and others who accuse transwomen of being mere fetishists do not believe women are mere sex objects 2) But then you generalize all or most transwomen as being fetishists, showing you pretty much agree with what the transgender author accused transphobes of believing. This generalization is dangerous to transwomen, particularly to vulnerable children and teenagers who are trans and do not deserve your demonization. 3) Reducing transness to a fetish also cruelly disregards years of gender dysphoria and bullying that comes with not being cis and thus not fitting into society or even your own body. 4) Reducing trans identity to a fetish is similar to reducing gay or bisexual orientations to a perversion, which is why assholes like ben shapiro agree with radfems about trans people. This bigotry towards trans people is spread under the trojan’s horse of dismantling misogyny. 5) the arguments you make about trans women being fetishists would fall apart pretty quickly if you accused literal children of being perverts or took it to a logical extreme and said a transwoman bride is a fetishist rather than a person going through one of the most important days of their life. this is an extreme example but it highlights how you are the one degrading trans people when you call them a fetish. 6) you try to weasel out of the assertion you in fact were not in agreement with radfems in spite of using the same terminology they use and making the same generalizations they do about transwomen and the male gaze, which makes you a terf dave rubin. effectively just a shill for them that claims to be independent of them. the writing’s on the wall. 7) idk what else to say other than that i am only picking on you because you are spreading harmful ideas about a vulnerable group of people. i don’t have anything against you personally or want bad things to happen to you. i also probably won’t respond to your replies if you write any simply because i think i have exhausted any point i could have made. so at this point it would be nitpicking.

look, i went into a lot of detail and spent over an hour going over what you actually said, so it is really frustrating that you to continue to claim you’re being taken out of context. So you ask, “Please, oh please, show where I said that I agree with terfs.” I am quoting you directly here: “No, it makes the case that trans people don’t value the opposite sex as anything more than performative gender norms and sexual characteristics.” you can claim that the above quote wasn’t what YOU personally believe, but in that case you should have made that more clear from the start. Furthermore, you say, and this is a direct quote: “the trans movement tends towards being very fetishising of the opposite sex…“ This is the same exact thing that radfems argue is true. So for you to constantly complain that you are being taken out of context is absurd. Furthermore, I myself agreed that the quote was flawed, because radfems in fact don’t believe women are just sex objects. However, like I said before, in YOUR criticism of the quote, you don’t stop there, but proceed to say,  “The trans movement tends towards being very fetishizing of the opposite sex.” And look, if you agree with the radfem opinion that trans women fetishize women, then fine. if you want to go through Gender Critical or kiwifarms or archived 4chan boards to find the worst examples of transwomen, okay. do what you want with your life. but at the very least stop acting like you aren’t agreeing with radfems and are merely dismissing strawman arguments by trans people, because you aren’t. i don’t know how many times i have to bring up your own quotes to point that out, but i will do it one last time just for kicks, “the trans movement tends towards being very fetishizing of the opposite sex.” no, no, let me say it just one more time because i am a petty dickhead. “the trans movement tends towards being very fetishizing of the opposite sex.”

i admit i have absolutely no idea what your learning and speech disorders are or how it would affect how you explain things, so i’m sorry for not being aware of that.  you also say that i’m in the wrong for not asking you for clarification and assuming that you actually supported the arguments you were writing in your text. i’m sorry for not doing that. we will not agree on whether or not your post was explicit in its intention but it is better to get as much context for someone’s ideas before disagreeing. i had a knee jerk reaction to seeing transphobic arguments, but i should have asked questions which would have avoided this. however, you point out that i didn’t ask for clarification. yet you yourself didn’t ask OP for clarification on their stance. you talked about how you were “just responding to the quote.” so while i was wrong for just responding to you at face value, to me you did the same thing.  and i’m aware of the no u strawman, and as i said, if your argument stopped there i wouldn’t have commented anyways. but it didn’t. i know i should not have just responded to what you said at face value, but i only did that because you made arguments which are undeniably transphobic. even if i am an extremely unpleasant, stupid person, it doesn’t change that you are spreading transphobic arguments.  you mention that your followers will understand what you mean, and i’m not one. and yeah, i’m not. i’m someone who is looking through OP’s posts, which means that the kind of things you are saying are seen by people other than your followers. you are exposing people other than them to transphobic arguments without tempering them with reasons you disagree with them. and we’re not going to agree on if it’s ethical to spread such arguments without giving further context or clarification. so i suppose it would be best to leave this argument at that. again, i’m sorry for misrepresenting your beliefs. and i am sorry that you are going through PT or other things which isn’t made better with convoluted arguments. but i do not agree with what you are doing. 

i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: capitalism gives pharmaceutical companies more incentives to fail at their jobs than to succeed, because the more human suffering exists, the profit they can wring out of us. 

Hi there, I am a boring person with a massive following of 12 accounts, some of which are bots. Anyways. So OP began by quoting a transgender author who essentially says, “If you think people who want to transition to female is solely a fetish, you are reducing women to their sexuality. To which you reply this is a strawman because the people who believe this stuff about trans people being mere fetishists do, in fact, actually see cis women as more than their sexuality. you also bring up that “Just because some white dudes fetishize Japanese women and we point it out, doesn’t mean we think japanese women are sex objects.” if you had just left it at that, it would have been an accurate, though incomplete counterargument. because it’s true that when i go through radfem blogs, they frequently reblog stuff like south korean women protesting porn spycams and bullshit workplace dresscodes by cutting their hair, not wearing feminine things, and not being doormats. so it’s clear they have a beef with sexual objectification and subjugation of women and want women to be valued for their ideas and accomplishments and so on. but instead of just leaving it at that, you acted like a total dickhead and smeared an entire group of people, some of whom are children. which is quite reprehensible but unsurprising given the unchecked misandry of radfem circles (i don’t really care if you are one or not since you sound exactly like them). now, i doubt you would actually seriously go up to a very young transgirl, who has known they were trans from an early age, like Kai Shappley, and tell her she is a creepy boy who is sexualizing and fetishizing women. because you’d sound like a total loser and she’d very maturely tell you that your perception of her is wrong. however, that is just the logical conclusion of the sort of ideas you are spreading and defending. another thing that contradicts the caricature you have made of trans women is butch transwomen. then there are asexual trans women. there are trans women who dress plainly, and trans women who grow their hair long and wear makeup but don’t sexualize themselves any more than a “normal,” girl would, there are trans teenagers whose main hobby is drawing innocuous, not remotely pornographic things, and so on. it’s not as if every transwoman is out there posting futa porn on 4chan, and if they are, that’s not really my business anyways unless they do something that is legitimately creepy and predatory. And I will also directly address this quote you made. “No, it makes the case that trans people don’t value the opposite sex as anything more than performative gender norms and sexual characteristics.” I have seen this argument packaged in other ways, such as “Why can’t you just be a feminine man,” or a “butch woman.” And if that is who you are inside I totally think you should be that and you should not feel pressured to transition in order to conform to a hostile society. That being said, what many cis people repeatedly do is make this issue about themselves when it’s really not. I think the obvious cause of this is believing trans people are not the gender they say they are. the thing is, even if you believe this, the lack of empathy exhibited is glaring. i am a cis woman, i think, or at the least i am typically fine with looking like a girl. if i was in a very masculine body with a lot of body hair and very manly features, i would hate it. I would also hate feeling isolated from other girls and I would be terrified of acting like myself and being open about it around boys because people are called horrible names and even beat up for that. it may have gotten better in america over the decades, but it would still be a negative experience. even if being male gives you certain privileges, not being yourself is a heavy price to pay, just like pretending to be straight is a heavy price for a gay person to pay. Besides that, your response in itself is a strawman, ironically. You assert that trans people see the opposite sex as just a set of stereotypes. This ignores that many trans people, including likely the majority of progressive left trans people on tumblr, accept non binary and gender nonconforming identities. sure, there are binary trans people who will lash out at those groups because they feel threatened, but theirs are not the only opinions that exist. as for feeling threatened and lashing out at other identities in self defense, there’s cis gender people who do that as well. such as when some butch women insist trans men are actually women because they don’t want to deal with people thinking that they might also be men because that undermines some feminist cause on gender roles and i’m sure you know this since you have probably seen their arguments before. basically, your argument that transwomen see women as a set of feminine stereotypes is itself a strawman because there’s transwomen who are butch and transwomen who recognize and respect butch cis women or drag queens and so on. Also, I’m going to respond to what you say here: “And again, there’s this assumption that anti-trans people assume that femininity is a costume, when in fact the primary arguments I’ve seen from the opposing side has NOT been that, but has been that *trans people treat the opposite sex like that.* Nowhere, mind, did I say that *I agree with that assessment* “ So you claim that you never said you agree with the assessment that trans people treat the opposite sex like a set of feminized and sexualized stereotypes. However, earlier, you stated: “However pointing out that the trans movement tends towards being very fetishising of the opposite sex….” So make up your mind. Are trans people a bunch of perverted men fetishizing women and femininity or not? Don’t try to half assedly weasel out of statements you had previously made and act like you’re not one of the radfems, you’re just one of the people defending them….while in the process of doing so having to resort to their transphobic reduction of their gender identity to a fetish. Because that’s what people like you do. You’re like the feminists equivalent of Dave Rubin. you say you never claimed to be on the radfem side, but you end up using their same arguments down to using the very same words like “performative femininity.” and you’re definitely not unique in that regard because transwomen see this happen time and again. truthfully, you likely wouldn’t have the nerve to say this in public. let’s say at a wedding. you’re not going to go up to a transwoman marrying her husband and say, “your lifestyle is a fetish,” because everyone would think you are being a total fucking asshole. it is not different from homophobes reducing gay marriage to anal sex and “sexual perversion.” it sounds exactly the same. so if you ever wonder why a man like ben shapiro, who literally was afraid to go to a hypothetical barbecue his gay friend invited him to, because “I don’t want to be in any orgy,”, agrees with radfems about trans people, this is fucking why. because the same person who throws all trans people under the bus by pointing to people like jessica yaniv, is the same person who will say gay men are a disease because Kevin Spacey preyed on children. if you have a conscious to realize this problem, you won’t take apart pro-trans arguments by using the same kind of dogma homophobes use, wrapped up in feminist moral outrage over the objectification of women. if you want to go after trans people who say very degrading things about women, absolutely do it. but the way to do that is not through defending transphobes.   so in short: 1) You correctly state that radfems and others who accuse transwomen of being mere fetishists do not believe women are mere sex objects 2) But then you generalize all or most transwomen as being fetishists, showing you pretty much agree with what the transgender author accused transphobes of believing. This generalization is dangerous to transwomen, particularly to vulnerable children and teenagers who are trans and do not deserve your demonization. 3) Reducing transness to a fetish also cruelly disregards years of gender dysphoria and bullying that comes with not being cis and thus not fitting into society or even your own body. 4) Reducing trans identity to a fetish is similar to reducing gay or bisexual orientations to a perversion, which is why assholes like ben shapiro agree with radfems about trans people. This bigotry towards trans people is spread under the trojan’s horse of dismantling misogyny. 5) the arguments you make about trans women being fetishists would fall apart pretty quickly if you accused literal children of being perverts or took it to a logical extreme and said a transwoman bride is a fetishist rather than a person going through one of the most important days of their life. this is an extreme example but it highlights how you are the one degrading trans people when you call them a fetish. 6) you try to weasel out of the assertion you in fact were not in agreement with radfems in spite of using the same terminology they use and making the same generalizations they do about transwomen and the male gaze, which makes you a terf dave rubin. effectively just a shill for them that claims to be independent of them. the writing’s on the wall. 7) idk what else to say other than that i am only picking on you because you are spreading harmful ideas about a vulnerable group of people. i don’t have anything against you personally or want bad things to happen to you. i also probably won’t respond to your replies if you write any simply because i think i have exhausted any point i could have made. so at this point it would be nitpicking.

look, i went into a lot of detail and spent over an hour going over what you actually said, so it is really frustrating that you to continue to claim you’re being taken out of context. So you ask, “Please, oh please, show where I said that I agree with terfs.” I am quoting you directly here: “No, it makes the case that trans people don’t value the opposite sex as anything more than performative gender norms and sexual characteristics.” you can claim that the above quote wasn’t what YOU personally believe, but in that case you should have made that more clear from the start. Furthermore, you say, and this is a direct quote: “the trans movement tends towards being very fetishising of the opposite sex…“ This is the same exact thing that radfems argue is true. So for you to constantly complain that you are being taken out of context is absurd. Furthermore, I myself agreed that the quote was flawed, because radfems in fact don’t believe women are just sex objects. However, like I said before, in YOUR criticism of the quote, you don’t stop there, but proceed to say,  “The trans movement tends towards being very fetishizing of the opposite sex.” And look, if you agree with the radfem opinion that trans women fetishize women, then fine. if you want to go through Gender Critical or kiwifarms or archived 4chan boards to find the worst examples of transwomen, okay. do what you want with your life. but at the very least stop acting like you aren’t agreeing with radfems and are merely dismissing strawman arguments by trans people, because you aren’t. i don’t know how many times i have to bring up your own quotes to point that out, but i will do it one last time just for kicks, “the trans movement tends towards being very fetishizing of the opposite sex.” no, no, let me say it just one more time because i am a petty dickhead. “the trans movement tends towards being very fetishizing of the opposite sex.”