Beleg: Come on you canât make everyone like you, youâre not Turin
Thingol: Not everyone likes Turin
Beleg: Who doesnât like Turin?
Thingol: Nobody I justâŚ
Beleg: WHO! I need names!!
Thingol:âŚ
he wasn't even looking at me and he found me
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Beleg: Come on you canât make everyone like you, youâre not Turin
Thingol: Not everyone likes Turin
Beleg: Who doesnât like Turin?
Thingol: Nobody I justâŚ
Beleg: WHO! I need names!!
Thingol:âŚ

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I love the whole concept that all the mortals by the late third age have this idea of elves as these serene, calm, wise and peaceful beings. Like at the council of Elrond and the like they all see the elves as inherently great givers of advice with the bigger picture at heart. Imagine if someone from then read a book on the first age. Like Faramir being exposed to Elrondâs records after he leaves for Valinor and thinking are these really the same species? Why are they setting everything on fire? Was the founder of Numenor really raised by these people? Did the calm lord Elrond really hold a knife to that guys throat? They are all completely feral and bloodthirsty and possess no basic judgement skills. Frodo getting to Valinor and being invited to a party at Finrodâs house. Expecting a deep cryptic discussion on lore and feeling out of place among all these dignified ethereal legends. And like ten minutes in people are playing drinking games with knives and fire. Frodo expects Lord Elrond to be shocked at his relatives behaviour but finds him in a knife throwing competition with the former high king. He seems to be winning. He also sees what seems to be two high kings making out in the stairwell. His last hope is Galadriel whose now in an intense bar fight with three of her cousins. Her husband is cheering her on from the corner.
The elves are not actually inherently wise. They just made all the mistakes and learnt from them after about the fifth attempt.
the only ones who survived the first age are the ones who learned to hide the craziness and act like they have a general idea of what to do
Beleg is literally the bad bitch TĂşrin pulled by being autistic
Ithilbor smiled and handed back the sword, which Saeros sheathed in favour of a practice sword.
"I'm happy to spar."
Beleg cleared a little space for them, then drew his own sword and waited for Saeros to be ready - it occurred to him that he had never actually seen Saeros fight, but if he volunteered without complaint, he must be able to hold his own.
"Ready?"
"Ready."
Saeros waited for a moment before closing the gap between them and striking first. It was a different balance: fighting as one would in earnest whilst making sure both their moves could be followed. What had an audience of just Ithilbor, one other lord and two ladies had already grown to about two dozen onlookers. None of them had seen a sword fight before.
For once, Beleg had no thoughts of showing off for the spectators. It was better that they got a realistic look at what an elf could do with a sword. He evaded the first strike, in much the same way he would when demonstrating a move to a recruit. This wasn't that different, was it?
Beleg lunged forward, playing the role of an aggressive attacker.
Parrying with the point of Beleg's sword right by his chin, Saeros had to dance to get out of the way and ready his response. He cut up to Beleg's left. He'd thought to narrate but there was no time for that. Already he was secretly wishing for his spear, but that was the exact opposite of the point they wanted to make.
So far Ithilbor was unimpressed. Of course Beleg was a fine swordsman: what mattered was how well Saeros held his own.
Perhaps he should have gone easier on Saeros, for the sake of convincing Ithilbor, but it would be too obvious to change tact now, and so Beleg did not give him more than a moment to recover before he struck again, trying to disarm him.
Saeros' sword jolted out of his hand and span off into the trees.
"Give him a spear!" The audience called, and Ithilbor smiled:
"My point exactly."
"I'd have less of a chance with a spear!" Saeros insisted, glaring at Beleg and his, in Saeros' opinion, lack of foresight.
"Same result. You're still dead, and you've had a lot more sword training than any of us will receive."
Ithilbor smiled and handed back the sword, which Saeros sheathed in favour of a practice sword.
"I'm happy to spar."
Beleg cleared a little space for them, then drew his own sword and waited for Saeros to be ready - it occurred to him that he had never actually seen Saeros fight, but if he volunteered without complaint, he must be able to hold his own.
"Ready?"
"Ready."
Saeros waited for a moment before closing the gap between them and striking first. It was a different balance: fighting as one would in earnest whilst making sure both their moves could be followed. What had an audience of just Ithilbor, one other lord and two ladies had already grown to about two dozen onlookers. None of them had seen a sword fight before.
For once, Beleg had no thoughts of showing off for the spectators. It was better that they got a realistic look at what an elf could do with a sword. He evaded the first strike, in much the same way he would when demonstrating a move to a recruit. This wasn't that different, was it?
Beleg lunged forward, playing the role of an aggressive attacker.
Parrying with the point of Beleg's sword right by his chin, Saeros had to dance to get out of the way and ready his response. He cut up to Beleg's left. He'd thought to narrate but there was no time for that. Already he was secretly wishing for his spear, but that was the exact opposite of the point they wanted to make.
So far Ithilbor was unimpressed. Of course Beleg was a fine swordsman: what mattered was how well Saeros held his own.

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"He's a bit grumpy, it's hard to miss, but's he's alright underneath it all."
-grump intensifies- "Blow my image and I'll cut your bowstring"
"Understood. I will make sure to tell everyone what a sour old elf you are."
... "I'm definitely not saying thank you"
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"He's a bit grumpy, it's hard to miss, but's he's alright underneath it all."
-grump intensifies- "Blow my image and I'll cut your bowstring"
// Iâm -cough- ill and the drama between Cecily Nevilleâs sons is most of whatâs keeping me going rn
Edward: wordâs going around that Iâm not our fatherâs son
Richard: well youâre not my fatherâs son-
Edward: and our dearest brother George even tried to usurp me! Heâs dead now. I drowned him. Shakespeare will tell everyone you did that though
Richard: ...
Edward: the question is: are you loyal to me? Or do I need to find another barrel?
Richard: Iâm loyal to you-
Edward: good.
Richard: -until you die. Then Iâll kill your sons
Edward: ... wait...Â
Ithilbor smiled and handed back the sword, which Saeros sheathed in favour of a practice sword.
"I'm happy to spar."
Beleg cleared a little space for them, then drew his own sword and waited for Saeros to be ready - it occurred to him that he had never actually seen Saeros fight, but if he volunteered without complaint, he must be able to hold his own.
"Ready?"
"Ready."
Saeros waited for a moment before closing the gap between them and striking first. It was a different balance: fighting as one would in earnest whilst making sure both their moves could be followed. What had an audience of just Ithilbor, one other lord and two ladies had already grown to about two dozen onlookers. None of them had seen a sword fight before.
Listen I get what Turin means but it's also hilarious how it's basically

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"I thought we had an agreement," Beleg complained, the practice sword in his hand, "Weapons for wine - come now, you got the wine, so come and practice. It really isn't that different."
"I made no such agreement," Ithilbor reminded him. The remaining practice swords were in a careful pile by the Green-elf's feet, and balanced on one finger was Saeros' sword. Ithilbor had wanted to handle the 'finished blade', and now looked like he was holding something beyond distasteful. Saeros was itching to take it back.
"My people use spears, javelins, and bows, and we are excellent at it," Ithilbor continued, addressing Beleg. "These swords are made differently, balanced differently. Tell me: how are we served better by learning to use them rather than practicing with our own weapons?"
"I have no doubt of your skill," Beleg replied, as diplomatically as he could manage in his frustration. "But skill will not help when the enemy comes armoured in plate and chain. Will you do not even try it?"
Beleg did not know why the difference mattered so much; a weapon was a weapon, wasn't it? What did it matter what it was made of? Never-mind that if he had been asked to swap Belthronding for a so-called superior model, he would have protested too. "They may be heavy, but they can be just as swift as a spear."
"Please, would you demonstrate?" Ithilbor finally asked, handing the sword back after viewing it from every conceivable angle. "Let's compare your sword skills to how swift you are with a spear, Saeros*. Do you call yourself a swordsman before an archer, Beleg?"
"I would not," Beleg admitted, "But I am not unskilled." He looked at Saeros, somewhat pleadingly. "I am happy to demonstrate, if Saeros has no complaints with having me as a sparring partner."
Ithilbor smiled and handed back the sword, which Saeros sheathed in favour of a practice sword.
"I'm happy to spar."
//if anyone's interested in the War of the Roses may I recommend Bosworth 1485 by Michael Jones.
All histories are stories in the end but I like this one, because it looks at everyone as people in their context. And because he empahsises the fact that Cecily Neville and Margaret Beaufort were as astute and important as their sons (Richard III and Henry VII respectively).
"I thought we had an agreement," Beleg complained, the practice sword in his hand, "Weapons for wine - come now, you got the wine, so come and practice. It really isn't that different."
"I made no such agreement," Ithilbor reminded him. The remaining practice swords were in a careful pile by the Green-elf's feet, and balanced on one finger was Saeros' sword. Ithilbor had wanted to handle the 'finished blade', and now looked like he was holding something beyond distasteful. Saeros was itching to take it back.
"My people use spears, javelins, and bows, and we are excellent at it," Ithilbor continued, addressing Beleg. "These swords are made differently, balanced differently. Tell me: how are we served better by learning to use them rather than practicing with our own weapons?"
"I have no doubt of your skill," Beleg replied, as diplomatically as he could manage in his frustration. "But skill will not help when the enemy comes armoured in plate and chain. Will you do not even try it?"
Beleg did not know why the difference mattered so much; a weapon was a weapon, wasn't it? What did it matter what it was made of? Never-mind that if he had been asked to swap Belthronding for a so-called superior model, he would have protested too. "They may be heavy, but they can be just as swift as a spear."
"Please, would you demonstrate?" Ithilbor finally asked, handing the sword back after viewing it from every conceivable angle. "Let's compare your sword skills to how swift you are with a spear, Saeros*. Do you call yourself a swordsman before an archer, Beleg?"
"I thought we had an agreement," Beleg complained, the practice sword in his hand, "Weapons for wine - come now, you got the wine, so come and practice. It really isn't that different."
"I made no such agreement," Ithilbor reminded him. The remaining practice swords were in a careful pile by the Green-elf's feet, and balanced on one finger was Saeros' sword. Ithilbor had wanted to handle the 'finished blade', and now looked like he was holding something beyond distasteful. Saeros was itching to take it back.
"My people use spears, javelins, and bows, and we are excellent at it," Ithilbor continued, addressing Beleg. "These swords are made differently, balanced differently. Tell me: how are we served better by learning to use them rather than practicing with our own weapons?"
thegreatstrongbow
âThat would be for best, I fear. At least if they have warning, they will have time to make preparations.â Belegâs jaw clenched as he thought of the King, reluctant to admit that he now thought he had been right not to send any soldiers. âI do not think there is anywhere the Enemy will not try to reach. Our defeat will have made them bolder.â
âThen they may as well stay!â Saeros turned to better look at Beleg. âIf weâre all doomed, why run?âÂ
Saeros realised how little he knew of the battle. Who had fought, what had happened, how bad was the defeat? This had to be their end, bearing down on them, if Beleg was so shaken. Beleg looked a sorry sight. Half dead already: if Beleg werenât so mournful Saeros would have told him so.Â
âDespair doesnât suit you,â he said instead. âIf battle is coming here then we need to prepare. If Thingol will do nothing then we, his counsel, will have to.â
"I do not know what to do." It wasn't fair. Mablung did not seem so haunted by the battle, or at least, it was easier for him to hide- why was Beleg so different?
But... he would not be made to look a coward by Saeros. Beleg's face was grim but determined. "We have to find a way, to protect ourselves. We cannot be idle. You are right."
Saeros waited, but nothing happened. Standing up he shook his head and muttered: "words. All of you. You jump into action maybe once in a decade, and then stand around talking otherwise!
"I can tell you that should yrch come through ArthĂłrien now all my kinsfolk will die. They need metal weapons, metal armour, training on how to fight with them. I can't do that; I don't know half of it either. All I can tell them is our flint and leather are useless.
"So, will you do anything? Quieten the ghosts by trying to stop more in the future."
Someone brighter than Beleg may have realised that Saeros' anger was genuine, but Beleg was a little more innocent still, and saw only a friend trying to encourage his courage.
"I will send soldiers with supplies and weapons and the means to train to use them. Disguise it as an aid mission if the King protests. We should increase the patrols of the marches, keep a watch for refugees in need of help."
Taken aback, Saeros laughed. He'd expected to be rebuked but Beleg was always on the people's side.
"Thank you then. Maybe they won't all have to just run for their lives. And if it is a care package could you send some of that very dark wine? My father is particularly fond."
He smiled, his expression as close to impish as it ever got. "And how do you feel now?"

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âThat would be for best, I fear. At least if they have warning, they will have time to make preparations.â Belegâs jaw clenched as he thought of the King, reluctant to admit that he now thought he had been right not to send any soldiers. âI do not think there is anywhere the Enemy will not try to reach. Our defeat will have made them bolder.â
âThen they may as well stay!â Saeros turned to better look at Beleg. âIf weâre all doomed, why run?âÂ
Saeros realised how little he knew of the battle. Who had fought, what had happened, how bad was the defeat? This had to be their end, bearing down on them, if Beleg was so shaken. Beleg looked a sorry sight. Half dead already: if Beleg werenât so mournful Saeros would have told him so.Â
âDespair doesnât suit you,â he said instead. âIf battle is coming here then we need to prepare. If Thingol will do nothing then we, his counsel, will have to.â
"I do not know what to do." It wasn't fair. Mablung did not seem so haunted by the battle, or at least, it was easier for him to hide- why was Beleg so different?
But... he would not be made to look a coward by Saeros. Beleg's face was grim but determined. "We have to find a way, to protect ourselves. We cannot be idle. You are right."
Saeros waited, but nothing happened. Standing up he shook his head and muttered: "words. All of you. You jump into action maybe once in a decade, and then stand around talking otherwise!
"I can tell you that should yrch come through ArthĂłrien now all my kinsfolk will die. They need metal weapons, metal armour, training on how to fight with them. I can't do that; I don't know half of it either. All I can tell them is our flint and leather are useless.
"So, will you do anything? Quieten the ghosts by trying to stop more in the future."