genuine question for jumblr (that means jews only, please, goyim feel free to comment and reblog with nuance):
how close is the US politically to the point of a kristallnacht moment when we should pack our bags and leave?
it won’t get to that point
not close at all (20+ years off)
not very close (15+ years off)
not close (10+ years off)
close-ish (7-10 years off)
close (5-7 years off)
imminent (3-5 years off)
current (1-5 years off)
it is happening already
it has already happened
multiple or none of these options
goy button
This is a sort of nuance situation.
Kristallnacht was state sponsored and I personally don't think we're going to see direct state sponsored violent attacks. I don't think state actors are going to go further than to use language that indicates that they agree with antisemitism and antisemitic rhetoric- much like we're seeing today.
I do think we're going to see more frequent individual attacks on synagogues and Jewish individuals/families and also pogroms happen. I think that pogroms are really going to kick off within the next 1-3 years.
Whether that means we should pack our bags is a trickier question. The US Golden Age of Jewry is over. That's not in question. But most Jews in most places in most of history did not live in Golden Ages.
It will be a more uncomfortable and more dangerous life than our parents had, but we can still build a life under these conditions still. We can even thrive still, just with precautions.
And the other question is, where to go? Where is better? The whole world has turned its back on Jews at the same time, no other country (that I can think of) is being welcoming, let alone having a Golden Age.
And if your answer is Israel, Israel is currently fighting a war with no support against groups that want them wiped out while also commiting war crimes against a group caught in the middle. Is that any better than how things are in the US? Or in other words, would you rather not be able to trust your literal neighbors or be able to trust your literal neighbors but deal with constant attacks from neighboring countries? It's a trade off.
This is one of the things that makes it difficult to discuss judenhass as a serious problem. In order for people to fully understand the complexity and depth of systemic racism, they had to learn that the problem goes beyond individual animus and is baked into institutions.
So when we try to talk about Jew hatred, they correctly note that institutional power is not aligned against us in that way and think we're just being whiny babies, and it's the same as a white person complaining about a Black person being mean to them. There's no recognition of how dangerous it is when individual animus is pervasive, encouraged, and violent. (They get it when it comes to queer folks; there's an understanding that physical safety is not guaranteed by e.g. marriage equality and anti-discrimination laws. But with Jews it's different, because they think being visibly queer is Good but being visibly Jewish means you're probably some kind of Zionist and therefore Bad and deserving of violence. Because that's how widespread the Jew hatred has gotten.)
I mean, you're not wrong, but I think you may have put your reblog on the wrong post, just as a heads-up.
This one was about when/if to flee the United States, and so far seems to only have reblogs and commentary from Jews about their predictions for the future and suggestions/lack of places to go.
I was responding to the first half of your post, the difference between the state-sponsored violence of Kristallnacht (not something I worry about in the US) and the more generalized violence that's getting worse. I have a bad habit of often leaving out my connecting thoughts, which in this case were: I struggle with how to answer the poll because of this distinction, so I was happy to see you bring it up, and also I think the distinction is important in the broader discourse and doesn't get talked about enough. (And I agree with the rest of your post as well.)
