âAs no science explains adequately how dreams work, no one can explain how a poem works. Where is a dream, sure, but where is a poem? I believe somewhat in Williamsâ formulation that a poem is a machine made out of words, but, finally, the poem isnât where the words are. The poem is somewhere between the words and the reader, or it is the words taken into the reader, who exists within the general society and its history. You enter the poem when you open to its page or remember it, having memorized it, but it is a much larger world than the page. It is transformed when you say it out loud; and it changes from reading to readingâyou, the reader, change it, for one thing, as you changeâor is it that it changes for you? If you are reading a poem by Catullus, you are in no way the same as an ancient Roman reading it: you are not that personâthat kind of person, though it is that poem, as those words. But even if you know Latin, you donât âspeak Latin,â and you havenât much feeling for what it was like to be a Roman. A poem, like a dream, has an odd relation to time: it is in time, like a poem by Catullus, but it is timeless, as an object made out of words. A dream lasts a moment but endures as a memory might: but it didnât really happen. A memory can be backed-up, but no outside observer can find the particulars of a dream in time and space (evidence of REM or whatever isnât evidence of what happened in your dream). A poem didnât or doesnât happen, itâs a still group of words on a page; and a story doesnât really happen either. We say that dreams, poems, and stories occur in the imagination, or the psyche, or whatever word weâre using right now, to invent another entity that doesnât concretely exist to put them in. But doesnât the âreal worldâ exist in some collective category like that? All we do is dream; we live in poems and stories we invent.â