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Might be a controversial take but I don’t think Rumi is as oblivious as a lot of the fandom makes her out to be, and she is DEFINITELY not naive.
Think about it. Yes, she grew up likely very sheltered/isolated on Jeju Island, but also, she was a CHILD STAR. Even if she wasn’t performing, she was attending huge events like the Idol Awards with Celine when she was very young, and Celine was raising her to be a pop star. Rumi, who we know is a huge workaholic, has a ton of PR and media training and experience, more than Mira and Zoey combined. You don’t get to that position and point in your life without being able to read people (paparazzi, interviewers, journalists, etc) REALLY well. We see her gaslight and lie to Mira’s face no problem in the movie without even breaking eye contact. Yes, it’s obvious she’s hiding something, but she kept a massive secret from Mira and Zoey for years, and her lying only got bad and really noticeable when her patterns were out of control, she was stressed, and she was starting to see herself (and her heritage) differently thanks to Jinu.
And some of y’all don’t wanna hear this, but she was right about Jinu. Despite him saying that he wasn’t the guy to help her, that the Honmoon wouldn’t save him, she insisted, she persisted, she knew he desperately yearned for freedom and specifically used that to motivate him to sway him to her side, only meeting him one-on-one on her terms after their first rooftop meeting (we see her rejecting his invitations during Takedown, and she makes him go where she wants both other times they meet). Was part of her wanting to save Jinu trauma dumping and self-projection? Sure. But even when Jinu stopped trying to manipulate her (which he really only did in 1.5 interactions at most, and he wasn’t even really “manipulating” her at the fan signing, just being a smug asshole and holding what he knew over her head) and told her he wasn’t the dude to help her, she still saw and believed he could. And she was right! She was so right that Gwi-Ma literally had to step in and torture Jinu into compliance.
And finally, she single-handedly saved the world. Completely on her own, when talking to Celine, she came to the right realization and reckoning and appeared in Namsan Tower with the perfect philosophy and said just the right things to break Mira and Zoey free. And the fact that Rumi managed to convince the very dude who started the external conflict in the movie to switch sides is fucking impressive.
Bonus: I’ve seen takes that Rumi doesn’t know what sex or even a period is and like….come on, there’s NO WAY Celine skipped out on The Talk given what happened to Mi-yeong.
So yeah. Rumi is really fucking smart, and I’m tired of pretending she’s naive, oblivious, or helpless.
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the reason monika became sentinent is because her and all the other girls are lesbians and she couldnt bare the thought of her friends being forced into a relationship with the most annoying guy ever so she took the fall to protect her friends from heterosexuality
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I love writing for Celine because there is so little actually known about her beyond her 2 minutes of canon in the movie
There’s just so much angst potential to take her from the smiling, happy sunlight sister to the emotionally detached CEO to the traumatized wet cat under the tree
Have a non-exhaustive post of things we actually know about Celine from Kpop Demon Hunters, with a focus on in-film details from those few minutes of screen time and only some out-of-film items to round it out (i.e. no Simon Baek concept art).
Surprisingly, you can get a lot of details from the few scenes she's in, so this got really long. I've added a cut for a more pleasant dashboard scrolling experience.
Origin, Timeline, and Age
Celine was a member of the idol/hunter group the Sunlight Sisters circa the 1990s with Rumi's mom (Mi-yeong, name taken from the gravestone) and Thirdlight (name unknown). We know it's the 90s from in-film and out-of-film details. In film, there's the one shot of the SLS's stage outfits that are incredibly 90s coded. Out-of-film, Maggie Kang, the director, puts Rumi's age at 23/24 in this Reddit AMA; assuming the film takes place in 2025ish there's a hard ceiling on the SLS's tenure of 2002, at the latest. In addition, SLS may have been inspired by the group S.E.S, but I don't have any sources on hand to verify that.
With this timeline, we can give a very rough estimate for Celine's age range. Assuming all the members of SLS are roughly the same age and Mi-yeong gave birth to Rumi in her 20s, Celine would be in her mid to late 40s during the events of the film. But, again, that's a very rough estimate. Someone who knows Korean family law better than me could put a hard floor on the age range if they know the minimum age someone has to be to become a guardian of a child.
On Being a Parent and Her Relationship with Rumi('s Patterns)
Celine raised Rumi, despite Rumi being half-demon. If the fans in the opening are correct, Celine has raised Rumi since infancy. There's a distinct lack of other adults in Rumi's life (no thirdlight, no Mi-yeong relatives, no Celine relatives) in both the film and other sources such as concept art, so Celine was likely parenting solo.
There's only one scene with kid Rumi and Celine in the film. In that scene Rumi calls Celine by her name--this continues into Rumi's adulthood and BOY does that detail drive so much fanfic, especially since the why of it is left to the imagination. And while Celine has a lot of conflicting feelings on Rumi being half-demon (more on that later) she is a capable of a certain amount of physical affection. In fact, physical touch doesn't seem to be a problem for Celine as long as she isn't actively looking at Rumi's patterns. While we don't get any on screen hugs, Celine is shown touching Rumi's shoulders in the kid flashback, in some red carpet photos, and in the tree confrontation scene. For the tree confrontation scene, Celine's hands go right on some of Rumi's exposed patterns before they get covered, but Celine has trouble with a comforting hand on the face because that's where she's looking at the moment (also, potentially a gesture Celine has done before with Rumi before?).
I know touch starved Rumi is fun for fanfic, but I don't think it's substantiated by canon due to what I described above. At least Celine being the originator of Rumi's hairstyle is canon, due to Celine braiding kid Rumi's hair in the flashback.
Circling back to Celine's feelings on Rumi being half-demon, signs point to Celine being in catastrophic levels of denial.
During the flashback with kid Rumi she:
Tells Rumi rather sharply to hide her patterns, but the only other person in the vicinity is Celine. Thus, the action is for Celine's benefit. Easier to be in denial about something you can't see.
Insists to Rumi that despite having patterns and a demon dad, Rumi herself isn't a demon. Rumi is a hunter and that's different. The paradox is already clear to the audience who have seen Huntrix (including Rumi!!!) use the patterns = demon logic in the lead up to the How It's Done fight.
With absolutely no evidence presented to the audience, Celine claims the Golden Honmoon will erase Rumi's patterns. How convenient that the Golden Honmoon can get rid of the only proof of Rumi's demonic heritage and that Celine knows this despite that the Golden Honmoon has never been achieved before, and Rumi's existence as half-demon is, to our knowledge, unique.
The confrontation at the tree further adds to the "Celine is in catastrophic levels of denial over Rumi being half-demon" fuel because during that scene Celine
Refuses to kill Rumi who is, at this point, visibly has demonic features and has a voice that seems to actively harm the last remnants of the Honmoon
Insists they can totally fix this despite, again, Rumi's visibly demonic features and voice that actively harms the Honmoon.
Has trouble touching Rumi's patterns when they're in line of sight and then has trouble looking at Rumi when all of her patterns are visible, to the point of closing her eyes.
When Rumi teleports out of the scene with her declaration that she's glad to see the Honmoon destroyed, Celine collapses to her knees. To me? That's someone who's been deep in denial who finally has been yanked out of it but can't do anything about it.
I think Celine's denial stance also explains why she took the "don't tell Mira and Zoey" stance, but more on that later.
This gets into analysis territory, but I do think Celine loved Rumi to the best of her ability and never intended to make Rumi so ashamed about being half-demon. But while Celine lived in denial for years, Rumi saw the incongruities in Celine's "you're not a demon, you're just a hunter with patterns and the patterns can be erased" stance, and those incongruities were fertile ground for shame.
Training Huntrix and Celine's Relationship with Mira and Zoey
Celine trained Huntrix to be the next generation of hunters. Outside of the opening, we have little knowledge of what this training entails or how long it lasted. Also, even though Celine knew Rumi would be a hunter at a very young age (see: the kid Rumi flashback) it's left up to the imagination if Rumi also began training at that young age.
We do know that during said training Celine said her infamous "faults and fears" line, and said it repeatedly enough for Mira and Zoey to make a joke out of it.
During the scene when Huntrix are going over Rumi's voice troubles, Zoey first suggests calling Celine before Mira and Zoey do their Celine impression joke. And then after the joke they agree that hiding and trying to fix Rumi's voice troubles is the course of action they should take. Notably, Celine doesn't get called. There's no evidence Celine gets informed about anything that happens during the film or gets involved in any capacity, only appearing in flashbacks until the tree confrontation.
I don't think Huntrix as a group has a close relationship with Celine, and Celine, after a bit, allowed Huntrix to operate largely independently. There's one flashback where Celine is in a location that might be Huntrix tower, might be an office, early in the Huntrix's career (based on Rumi's pattern progression) which is one of the few non-red carpet photo interactions between Celine and post debut Huntrix.
Back to the pre-debut: we know there's an initiation ceremony of sorts which results in the opening monologue by Celine. Of note is that monologue focuses on the Hunters as protectors of humans and builders of the Honmoon, with very little in the way of demon slaying. Whether this is deliberate on Celine's part is impossible to tell with the information we currently have.
We also have Celine's teachings filtered through Huntrix, which includes all the slaying and demon hating. Celine has the tiniest wiggle room of plausible deniability here, since we don't hear her teachings directly, but it's not much!
Lastly: Celine deliberately made the choice to withhold information from Mira and Zoey about Rumi. There's an argument that this is fear driven (she doesn't want Mira and Zoey to murder Rumi), but I think it's denial driven. Both Mira and Zoey strike me as people who would've seen through the bullshit immediately and pushed back on it. There's also an element that Mira and Zoey might have been worse at being hunters if they saw the humanity in demons.
(With Celine being absent from Huntrix's lives post-debut, there's an argument to be made that Rumi really should have told Mira and Zoey herself before shit when sideways but that's another post.)
Other Fun Details
Celine is starting to go a bit gray. It's hard to pinpoint when exactly she started going gray and the progression, but she doesn't have gray hair in the kid Rumi flashback and she does have some gray in the opening with pre-debut Huntrix. And then I think conservation of production resources kicked in because Celine's gray hair stays exactly the same for the rest of the film. Training Huntrix caused Celine to go gray confirmed?
@starrdio already made a post about Celine's fashion and you should read it. Here's a link.
Celine doesn't use a Honmoon weapon during the events of the film (and it's unclear how much access she has to hunter abilities), but her chibi cameo during the end credits dual wields twin swords (Ssanggeom?)
Things That Are Fanon
Celine was in love with Mi-yeong. Do I love this idea? Yes. Is is substantiated by the text in any way? Well...Celine probably has SOME feelings about Mi-yeong because she raised Rumi and goes on about "protecting what was left of [Mi-yeong's legacy]" but the specifics are left to the imagination.
Celine is a CEO of Huntrix's label. Pure fanon. Absolutely pure fanon and I love that for us. Combine the one flashback scene where she has unspecific paperwork and everyone going "there's absolutely no way Huntrix would exist under the label of a real life company because Huntrix doesn't reflect the realities of Kpop idol life" and BOOM. CEO Celine.
I like the idea that Romance and Abby are in an open relationship and Abby has a massive crush on Jinu, but Jinu is too Rumisexual to even notice his bro wants to be more than his bro 💔Abby is dying internally at seeing Jinu betray all of demonkind for Rumi instead of helping his homies bring about the apocalypse. Abby is the type of guy to kiss his homies goodnight, and Jinu thinks this is a perfectly normal thing for bros to do with each other
jinu being a 400 year old demon senior citizen originally from wayyyyy back in history should be played as a gag more often in fanworks or in a future continuation like. yes, he successfully studied up on modern kpop fandom culture, kpop songwriting, and kpop choreography for his plan. but he doesnt understand how QR codes work. he doesnt understand modern slang. he REFUSES to get a cellphone and ONLY sends handwritten missives via tiger.
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I bring a “Mira and Zoey are adult women who saw their best friend sobbing and pleading with them and chose independently, by themselves, to raise deadly weapons at her and watched her run off, which is a choice that cannot be fully blamed on Celine or Jinu, and it is problematic that Rumi apologizes to them but they never apologize to her” vibe to the function the KPDH fandom doesn’t really like
I understand WHY they did that but damn, if my bff was sobbing and pleading with me to listen to her, I wouldn’t point a gun at her even if I thought she was dangerous. I wouldn’t be interrupting her, cutting her off, throwing accusations. I would at least LISTEN TO HER. If they had listened to her and let her TALK, she wouldn’t have been upset enough to ripple the Honmoon during their conversation.
I just discovered that there's a "critical" tag for KPDH, and what I read there was... curious. Like, I don't know, but it seems like almost every "critical" tag on Tumblr is the same thing. And so, there are some interesting things, but the way people talk about the criticisms seemed... a little alarmist, let's say?
I don't know. 🥀
:0 what do you mean? I don't make much of a habit of going on the "critical" tags of stuff I like, but I can imagine what the "Jinu critical" and "Rujinu critical" tags say, based on the "brilliant" (read: bad faith, skipped-over-all-the-scenes-with-the-Saja-Boys) takes I've seen on Tumblr and Reddit about Jinu and Rujinu. (In case you didn't know, I've seen people on Reddit unironically call Jinu a Nazi and imply I'm a Nazi sympathizer for saying I understood--not even justified, just UNDERSTOOD--why Jinu did what he did.
But anyways, that's a tangent--I'm afraid I don't really know what KPDH critical tags say. I know there's a subset of weird Christians who think the movie is demonic and there are some legitimate criticisms about the movie (ex: rushed ending, underdeveloped Mira and Zoey, plot holes and inconsistencies such as characters saying for two days straight that the Idol Awards are tomorrow), are you referring to the former? Then again, I can't imagine there's many hardcore Christians on Tumblr who are starting moral panics about KPDH lol. (Even though people like that pick a new thing each generation to freak out about.)
But anyways, I'll take your word for it, anon, but I don't personally know what you're referring to specifically.
"i firmly headcanon abby has a one-sided crush on jinu" me too it's so peak... best friends who kiss sometimes but won't talk about it (to me)
So real! Ngl, Abby seems like the type of guy who kisses the homies good night with various degrees of romantic affection, a quick peck for Baby, and a steamy kiss for Romance. He gives a passionate kiss to Jinu, and Jinu is about as oblivious to Abby's feelings is as Adrien was to Marinette in the early seasons of Miraculous Ladybug.
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Mira & Zoey like this is our girlfriend Rumi and this is Rumi's boyfriend Jinu and these are Jinu's boyfriends The Saja Boys and that's Bobby and the interviewers are like who.... is Bobby..... and they're just like yeah he's our emotional support aroace person.