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Do we only do farming for animal food? Do we completely abolish farming animals for food for everything? Do the domestic species we bred specifically for human use just die out and, with it, the domesticated dog and cat? What about zoos? Or ‘sanctuaries’ that house carnivorous animals? What actually happens to domesticated farm animals? Do we just stop production after every farm animal is slaughtered? Like what is the plan here?

For pets, some vegans feed their animals all vegan food. This CAN be harmful if the food is not properly formulated. The things in meat that animals need are nutrients, and more and more, these nutrients can be made with less or no suffering. Advances in gene technology, lab grown meat, and systems like CRISPR make it easier to synthesize nutrients usually found in flesh. However, because so much vet business is tied up in the animal agricultural system, these advances are slow and not well published. I know many vegans who still feed their dogs and cats meat, myself included. In a theoretical future, however, it is not hard to imagine these things being synthesized to reduce harm.

"Do we only do farming for animal food? Do we completely abolish farming animals for food for everything?"

This brings me to a point about veganism I think is really misunderstood. Veganism is not just about not eating or using animal products, it is the ethical belief that animals are not ours to use. The use of the word vegan to mean "someone who abstains from animal products" regardless of why can confuse this. A vegan stance would see animal farming largely abolished. That is what veganism is.

REALISTICALLY and personally I think that a total, 100% abolition is largely unrealistic. I think we could eliminate MOST of animal ag, more than people think, but some rural areas need to rely on animal proteins. This, however, is mostly the harshest areas humans live on: arctic, some deserts, ect. I know many vegans that do no think this is a good enough reason, and would want to make food systems that allow people to eat vegan. Personally, I think that this is largely an irrelevant topic to me; We are not likely to get to the point at which this is a practical conversation in my lifetime, if at all.

"Do the domestic species we bred specifically for human use just die out and, with it, the domesticated dog and cat?"

I'm gonna link a few resources here, but domestic species are not a universal good. Many species were bred for "output" to their detriment. The continued breeding of species KNOWING they will suffer is immoral, and the chickens we bring into creation this way are no different than the pugs we bring into creation knowing they cannot breathe.

"What about zoos?"

I'll just link this. Zoos are not vegan.

"Or ‘sanctuaries’ that house carnivorous animals?"

Animal sanctuaries will stay. There are animal sanctuaries run by vegans that house carnivorous animals right now. Where the meat will come from if everyone is vegan will likely make more sense if we approach this, but I imagine a combination of synthesizing, lab growing, or some other combination of solutions.

"What actually happens to domesticated farm animals? Do we just stop production after every farm animal is slaughtered? Like what is the plan here?"

People way smarter than me have talked about this, here's a few articles on the subject

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Hamlet blanched and nearly fell from his seat, but before [Fortinbras] could properly enjoy in his rival’s discomfiture he heard a giggle beside him, and out of the clear blue sky Ophelia struck a still more shocking blow: “E’en if I had been in London, I should not remember that day, for I was, good sirs, two year old.”

“Gentle Ophelia, thy words are as poison in mine ears,” groaned Hamlet, his seat regained and his eyes closed with the serenity of Marcus Aurelius. As much as [Fortinbras] hated to admit it, he and Hamlet were on the same side. How could it be that there were people roaming this earth, speaking, rational people, who were not even upright beasts when God smote the Armada? Hamlet shared a mournful glance with him and asked, “When did the Lord begin to make men so young?”

[Fortinbras] shrugged. “I fear he hath merely made us old.”

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