oh i felt like i should maybe make a pinned "about me!" post and then i realized i have no idea what, about me, exists
hi i'm helen slash tumblr user all-pacas (full title). i've been in fandom for a very long time and i use this tumblr mostly to completely detach from my life, which means that i really don't talk about / post or reblog anything that isn't fandom. i tend to hyperfocus fixate on one thing at a time, but my past fandoms remain in my heart forever. i have a Very Specific character type and this embarrasses me.
right now my fixation is House Medical Doctor. i don't know how either. i use 'malpractice posting' for your blocking needs!
i write fanfic. i love getting asks and answering asks and writing meta and writing fanfic on request; i get self validation from it so for real do not hesitate! i have two sideblogs: @some-pacas for fanfic and fanfic requests, and @none-pacas for my dabbles into gifs and image sets!
eta: also my pronouns are she/her and i really am very boring
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looking at old photos and… so my cat was around 8 weeks when i got him, right? and when i say i had NO IDEA how big he would get…
first picture is the day i got him, around 8 weeks old. second is a little over a month later, so he's about 3 months. next one, he's about six months old; maybe seven; i had assumed he MUST be full size by this stage, and by nine months he hadn't gotten much bigger (or fluffier). max size cat, right? he grew fast but he's surely reached his final form—
idk i’ve been thinking a bit over the last couple days id like to make a post talking about chase and foreman like. foreman is actually pretty mean to chase at times, in a way that isnt really deserved or justified. that isn’t to say foreman is a evil heartless bully or chase is a poor sad baby victim: they have mutual antipathy and chase makes it clear he doesn’t have a lot of love for foreman either. but chase also tends to avoid all but passive aggressive conflict, and foreman like. goes after the dude’s family and morality repeatedly.
and on the one hand you can understand why foreman dislikes chase — chase is the embodiment of every single one of his complexes — but it’s still pretty one-sided. i think that’s why i do enjoy chase losing his patience and calling him out in s7, even if i enjoy little else about that season. but it’s also so hard to have a nuanced conversation about, because everyone likes to hate on foreman OR pretend they’re best friends who willingly spend time together and want to make out and it’s like. a secret third thing. where foreman kind of is at fault here but chase isn’t a baby victim either.
I feel like I sympathize more with Foreman "hating" Chase because I think the first alone interaction they had together was in s1 e3 where Chase asks Foreman if he's speaking in ghetto euphemisms. I know thats just a first impression but it's not really like Chase is that nice to Foreman or anything in the first season (him basically saying hes throwing him and cameron under the bus to save himself with vogler). I definitely think that could skew Foremans view of Chase
In all honesty, I've never really had an issue with that exchange, because Foreman is making fun of Chase just as much as Chase is him: if Chase had said it out of nowhere, yeah, calm down, but Chase is acting defensively — Foreman has just accused him of having a crush on Cameron, which, lol. It's… a rude thing to say, and it's meant to be rude, but Foreman makes fun of him back and the tone of the scene is them needling one another mutually, not actually being or trying to be offensive.
The two of them interact fairly neutrally like this in early S1: Foreman actually tries to reach out a couple of times sympathetically (Chase gets upset in Socratic Method and lashes out a bit; Foreman recognizes that he's not being an ass for fun but because he also has Experiences With Alcoholism), and they joke around a bit. I wouldn't exactly call them "best friends" (Chase snarks in Histories that Foreman doesn't like him), but they're fairly neutral. It isn't really until Vogler/Control that things seem to sour between them: Foreman comes on strong saying Chase should be fired for his screw up, even though Chase is clearly worried/guilty about it, and later tells House that Chase should be fired because he doesn't deserve the job. They continue to butt heads through the arc, not to say that Chase doesn't "deserve" it for being a rat, or that Foreman's dislike isn't justified.
In S2, things seem to have settled down, although by S3 there picks up a running theme of Foreman… let's call it "picking on" Chase: he accuses Chase of screw ups or making mistakes in several episodes, even though Chase never actually does, and spends for example Cane and Able repeatedly insisting Chase is screwing up left and right, and then in Finding Judas Foreman is actually pretty unkind — Cameron briefly joins in — and once again returns to his theme of "Chase is useless and doesn't deserve this job." We also lose any hint of them reaching out to one another or being curious: Chase is notably apathetic in Euphoria, and is much more annoyed Foreman stabbed Cameron than worried about Foreman, and Foreman has decided on his feelings about Chase and doesn't question them (that Chase is incompetent and doesn't really deserve the job) further, although they get along on a neutral level most of the time.
End of S3, there's still more: Foreman gets annoyed and suspicious when Chase does reach out to him in Family (or get nosy, as in Resignation), and has zero reaction to his firing. Chase continues to be snarky back — again, it isn't that Chase is a nicer person who rises about it; he's just more passive-aggressive and conflict-avoidant — but by S4… Foreman's at it again, this time assuming Chase is jealous of and resents him for being back in Diagnostics, based on… vibes? Assumptions? — a trait Chase happily returns by picking on him and trolling him repeatedly. And then by S6, Chase more or less threatens him into helping with Dibala (pushing more and more responsibility onto Foreman while trying to cover his own ass), and is pretty dismissive and cold when Foreman does try to reach out to him — although admittedly, Foreman's "I just broke up with Thirteen, breaking up sucks," to a post-divorce Chase is a pretty weak attempt at commiseration, lol.
It's also telling how little either of them take in one another's lives: Foreman is so disinterested in Chase's relationship with Cameron it basically is a running joke, but also tells Thirteen he's pretty sure Chase is going to cheat on her, and back in S3 Chase is genuinely offended Foreman thinks he'd hurt her: these are not massive conflicts, but go towards Foreman's perception of Chase really being very consistently cynical. Chase for his part actually reaches out a little more, if only to troll/tease, but meddles a bit in Foreman's family life in S3: I think this probably is just as telling of Chase's own family issues as anything else.
But then by S7, as I mentioned in this post, Chase actually does lose his patience, by addressing specifically these problems Foreman has had since Control: He thinks Chase isn't entirely competent, that he deserves the job more than Chase, that Chase is sleazy and selfish and a bit dim. And the thing is: Chase is, at times, all those things (except for incompetent). He has good traits too, but Foreman doesn't see or care about them: this is pretty consistent for Foreman, who is stubborn and not always a great judge of character, but it really does seem to all go back to late S1 and Control.
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it truly is amazing that, according to house, cameron hasn't stopped by to visit or check in on him once between s5 and s6. she literally just doesn't give a shit anymore. amber dies? she was going to wilson's twice a week. house gets institutionalized and is trying to change and be the better person she used to fantasize about in s1? literally couldn't care less. and if i said she has never been as into him as house wanted her to be,
(and if i also pointed out that chase is the one cameron always turns to and pursues and refuses to let out her sight, that as soon as chase ever expresses doubts or gets over her or hesitates she drops everything to make him happy in a way she never did for house or anyone else.....)
it truly is amazing that, according to house, cameron hasn't stopped by to visit or check in on him once between s5 and s6. she literally just doesn't give a shit anymore. amber dies? she was going to wilson's twice a week. house gets institutionalized and is trying to change and be the better person she used to fantasize about in s1? literally couldn't care less. and if i said she has never been as into him as house wanted her to be,
When do you think choreman started becoming friends?
Define friends, lol.
Maybe S7? It's surprisingly hard to say.
Foreman openly and loudly dislikes Chase for the first three seasons, and makes no secret of it: he thinks Chase should lose his job in Control even before Chase goes to Vogler, and later backs it up to House, he tells Chase in S3 that he doesn't like him, and Chase tells a patient in S1 that Foreman hates him. They have some moments of coworker friendliness (teasing Cameron together, mostly; there's some off-screen sharing of gossip back and forth), but there's absolutely no indication they like one another or even respect one another much. We even see them both try and reach out to the other (Foreman to Chase in Socratic Method, Chase to Foreman in House Training and Family), and these efforts be summarily rebuffed.
It's useful to compare their relationships to Cameron to see what I mean: Foreman and Chase are just fine at pretending to get along for the sake of their jobs, but that's baseline coworker stuff. By contrast we see Foreman repeatedly engage Cameron in philosophical debates he really seems to enjoy; he gets a bit protective of her about her crush on House; they have several real, sincere conversations — his calling her out about her commitment issues in Insensitive, for example, is very much Foreman being sincere with her and kind. He apologizes for being a jerk. He tries to frame his critique as a good thing.
The same goes for Cameron and Chase. She talks to him about her crush on House, apparently in some detail; he's the first one she tells, and is already in the loop when Cameron starts pushing her feelings. They're also quick to defend one another, professionally and over personal issues, and, while their eventual relationship kind of obscures their "friendship," they always spend time together, there's entire episodes where Chase is just found in the ER: they clearly enjoy one another's company.
Another thing I find interesting (we'll return to Choreman in a second, I promise) is a throwaway line of Thirteen's in S7. Finding out House said she was in rehab, she complains it really limits her social options with the guys. In particular, she complains, without being able to go out drinking, she and Chase will no longer be friends. Obviously she is joking, but Thirteen is also implying she and Chase do go out drinking sometimes. Nice for them. Not all that deep. More than Choreman ever gets. Sure, we see in S1 they go out for a hosted dinner and drinks… but Cameron is there. We never, ever hear of the two of them hanging out as friends.
This trend continues through S4-5: Foreman has a brief stint in S4 convinced Chase is wildly jealous of him and running the firing betting pool as some sort of revenge plan, which is a) funny as hell and b) still not friends. S6, Foreman hires Cameron and Chase back on the basis of I know I can work with you, not friendship; he fumbles the ball pretty fucking hard with Chase post-divorce, and is no more successful (arguably less) at reaching out to him than any of the others. He takes no interest in Chase's obvious depression except to tell him to get over it. S7, they continue to clash: Chase seems to develop a new hobby of trolling Foreman on purpose, which he's actually been doing since S1 and is quite good at. There's no indications the two kept in touch during the S8 gap, and when they have a personal conversation at the end episode five, the most we get is Foreman calling Chase "one of my best doctors," which is so funny, I love that he can't even compliment Chase without making it a compliment towards himself first.
I sound like I'm focusing more on Foreman here, like I think Foreman hates Chase and Chase is innocent. I actually don't think Chase likes Foreman any more than the reverse! It's just that Chase is a more passive person by nature. He's not as overt with his disrespect, because that's just not his style. But we see that as late as S7, Chase really doesn't respect Foreman much: he calls him out pretty thoroughly in Massage Therapy, and generally delights in undermining Foreman's authority.
For another tangent, let's look at Taubman. I wouldn't say the two particularly get along in S4-6; they have a similar we're coworkers vibe, and that's perfectly fine. But by S7, we really see them become friends. It isn't subtle. Taub and Foreman like one another a lot. They are good friends, unlikely as it seems. They enjoy living together and playing video games and spending time. Just like the earlier Cameron examples, there is none of this from Chase and Foreman. We never hear about them hanging out without a buffer.
I said I thought S7 was the turning point. I was kind of lying, because there's not really any moment or evidence for this. But it's also true that after a while, Foreman lays off the animosity and stops blaming Chase for every error or conspiracy against him. Interestingly, they still never get any "bonding moments:" we see, say, Chase and Thirteen get a whole half episode in After Hours, and a friendship subplot in Now What and Private Lives; Foreman and Taub get a whole lot of bonding in Lockdown but also S7 generally. Foreman and Thirteen get subplot episodes; Chase and Wilson even get one in Private Lives. Chase and Foreman have the occasional shared subplot (Changes), but the focus on those is always them at odds or not getting along, not bonding. Did they ever become friends?
I think they respect one another. I think they have the sort of bond that comes of 8 years in the trenches of an incredibly difficult and demanding job. I also know they blatantly don't care about the things important to the other (Big Baby is a very funny and unsubtle example, where Foreman is worried as hell about Thirteen's drug trial, Chase is very interested in his relationship with Cameron, and neither could care less about the other's issues), don't socialize outside work unless there's a buffer, and continue to pretty fundamentally misunderstand one another for years of the show.
I know you're reading this and thinking "what about Dibala?" And I'm going to give my hot take here: I really don't think it was a huge gesture of friendship and love and trust. If anything, kind of the opposite.
Chase spends most of the Dibala arc pushing Foreman pretty hard to let him get away with it. You have to figure this out, you have to speak before the M&M, you have to lie. He drags Foreman way deeper into the coverup instead of taking any responsibility (or any active role in it — Chase does try, but he's not very good at it, and the burden lies mostly on Foreman's shoulders). Chase also lowkey throws Foreman under the bus for his marriage, using Foreman as an excuse to Cameron for why he's avoiding her, can't talk to her, etc: he also guilts Foreman into helping in The Tyrant.
Foreman helping anyway was a very kind thing to do, but I don't know how much choice he had. He was the one who signed off on treatment and charts. He was running the case. If Chase goes down, he's going down too: maybe Foreman doesn't go to jail for murder, but he absolutely loses his job and license. The episode is actually fairly quiet on what, if anything, Foreman believes about Dibala: where Cameron and Chase spend the whole thing debating morality, we don't really know if Foreman thought killing him was right or not. But by protecting Chase, he protected his career and ambitions… and, to be frank, if I'm Foreman and I think Chase is a lazy coward without morals already, I am not convinced Chase wouldn't try to pin the murder on me if I didn't help. Was helping Chase get away with murder still an altruistic (for a very given definition) thing to do? Sure. But it wasn't selfless. It wasn't love.
idk i’ve been thinking a bit over the last couple days id like to make a post talking about chase and foreman like. foreman is actually pretty mean to chase at times, in a way that isnt really deserved or justified. that isn’t to say foreman is a evil heartless bully or chase is a poor sad baby victim: they have mutual antipathy and chase makes it clear he doesn’t have a lot of love for foreman either. but chase also tends to avoid all but passive aggressive conflict, and foreman like. goes after the dude’s family and morality repeatedly.
and on the one hand you can understand why foreman dislikes chase — chase is the embodiment of every single one of his complexes — but it’s still pretty one-sided. i think that’s why i do enjoy chase losing his patience and calling him out in s7, even if i enjoy little else about that season. but it’s also so hard to have a nuanced conversation about, because everyone likes to hate on foreman OR pretend they’re best friends who willingly spend time together and want to make out and it’s like. a secret third thing. where foreman kind of is at fault here but chase isn’t a baby victim either.
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people who learned about greek mythology due reasons that DONT involve having read percy jackson at 12 freak me out, like what the FUCK was going on in your life that you found out that zeus turned into a pigeon to woo his wife like HOW
im banning all house md "the prodigal siblings" posts until you start including amber and taub. he calls both of them prodigal son too. include them. coward
the irony is that i actually used to really like chase and thirteen as siblings hcs lmaooo. i am not immune to found family! i like the idea! just the way that fandom makes them ONLY siblings and ONLY in the context of "house's kids" i'm just. contrary. let them be friendssss
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You see, when a man and woman love each other very much, and nobody has any concept of "mixed gender friendships", and it's evil to ship them because it isn't yaoi, sometimes they might do something very special called "Becoming Siblings". then they can live happily ever after and talk to each other like they're in a smart speaker commercial.
Putting the term "Catholic guilt" on a high shelf where fandom can't reach it until everyone learns how to identify characters who are very very clearly coded as Protestant.
