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do you have theories about how the aura transfer machine is going to inevitably come into play
this is timely, because iāve been chewing on it quite a lot lately.
letās talk about the rule of threes!
the basic idea is that important things in stories often come in threes. narrative triads are a staple of fairytale/folklore in particular, which makes it very salient to the rwby narrative. often, youāll see the rule of three described as a pattern where a thing happens a certain way twice, and then once more differently (aab); there are other configurations. abc/cba or abc/abc is pretty common in fairytalesāthink the āquesting hero does a kindness to three entities and each repays with a favor later onā structureāand simple repetitions (aaa) or progressive triplets (a-A-A!) arenāt uncommon either.
the rule of threes gets cited a lot in discussions on the maidens and the ATMs in particular. this is a little thorny becauseĀ maidens come in fours, not threes;Ā i think rwby is taking advantage of this mathematical problem to develop multiple interlocking triads. weāll call this the Fourth Maiden Exclusion Principle.Ā
our first set of triads occurĀ withinĀ each season. the seasonal triads, if you will. all of themāso farāfollow this basic pattern:
fragile -> false -> freed
where theĀ first maidenĀ is introduced in a vulnerable state, theĀ second maidenĀ is eitherĀ literallyĀ false (not really a maiden) orĀ perceivedĀ as illegitimate, and the seasonal arc ends withĀ third maiden removed from ozpinās hierarchy and separated from her vault. thus:
amber -> pyrrha -> cinder
(spring) -> vernal -> raven
fria -> penny -> winter
the last spring maiden is unusual in that sheās a posthumous character, but sheās described as having been āa childā who ran away because the responsibility was ātoo much for herā and raven says she was āweakā and āscared.ā we also know that raven mercy-killed her.
so the question to ask here is whether the summer maiden will repeat this pattern. if iām correct about the Fourth Maiden Exclusion Principle, the answer is āno.ā our triad is [fall-spring-winter] and our excluded fourth, in this case, is summer.Ā
[SIDEBAR: the maiden arcs are following the gifts in reverse order (choice -> knowledge -> creation -> destruction). the seasons being āwrongā is a misdirection. thank u.]
our second set of triadsĀ interlaceĀ the maiden arcs. weāll call them the perennial triads (laugh!). there are three Big Ones.Ā
the first is the presumptive ATM triad, which might be drawn in two ways:Ā
[amber-fria-(summer)] + (spring)Ā
or
[pyrrha-winter-(summer)] + raven.
the former being three maidens fed to the machines, the latter recipients of machine transfers. the triad is [fall-winter-summer] and the excluded fourth is spring.
the second is the triad of maidens cinder tries to Get. i will discuss my reasoning for bracketing it like this in a bit, bear with me:
[amber-raven-penny] + (summer)
and finally, the third is the triad of maidens who got eaten by the fairytale, as it were:
[pyrrha-(spring)-penny] + (summer)
note that these last two match the seasonal triad-of-triads: [fall-spring-winter] + summer. This Is Important.
but before we get into the weeds of the Machine Question, we first need to sketch out why iĀ donātĀ think cinder is going to go after the summer maiden. for the benefit of newcomers and in case this breaks containment, Mainly. it boils down to:
salemās going to beacon next.
it is established in V4 that a) the crown is still in its vault, b) salem believes the vault is at beacon, c) the vault is Hidden, and d) salem has someone [summer rose] stationed at beacon to search for it. in V8, salem notes that The Situation Has Not Changed; she is preoccupied with gaining access to the lamp so that she can use it to discover the crownās location. (<- the first thing she asks oscar is where ozma hid the crown; she asks for the password to the lamp only after confirming that oscar doesnātĀ know.) having been frustrated in her effort to wring the location out of oscar and with the lamp now out of questions, her obvious next move is toĀ go to beacon.
she is also two for two on relics swiped after someone elseānot cinderāopened the vault, and two for two on cinder Almost Fucking Dying at the hands of other maidens. sheās realizing that her opponents will open those vaults if she squeezes them hard enough, and the sword presents an obvious temptation for vacuoās defenders; she also wonāt be able to access the crown at all if cinder dies. the skeleton-key plan is a wash.
and, with the coalition in vacuo galvanized by the imminent existential threat of another massive attack, the strongest next move for salem is toĀ do nothing:Ā quietlyĀ go to beacon, search for the crown, and run out the clock while her opponents wait. the longer she can draw this out, the shakier that coalition is going to get as people get complacent or start to doubt that an attack is coming at all.Ā
(it is also something of a toss-up whether salem plans to launch another assault; she hit beacon and atlas with overwhelming force to take ozpin off the board, but for haven she planned a covert infiltration.)
so salem has a lot of compelling reasons for going to beacon, and none for rushing to vacuo. further, the end of V9, the epilogue storyboard, and the second rwby x jl film collectively indicate thatĀ at a minimum,Ā salem will not be in vacuo at the top of V10. a V7ish scenario where salem doesnāt arrive until the end of the volume is not out of the question (although i do think sheāll beĀ inĀ V10, just at beacon).Ā
and she will, of course, want to keep cinder close, both for the purpose of opening the beacon vault and because she will need to manage cinderās ongoing rebellion very carefully. cinder may not Like This, but a) she she swanned away from the winter maiden without a backwards glance because she Doesnāt Care About The Power That Much, she just wants to Win The Power Struggle With Salem, and b) the vault and the relic of choice and being The Only One Who Can Do This are going to appeal to her too, again for power struggle reasons.
and since the skeleton key plan is a wash, itās likely that salem will try to ease cinder off the idea of Getting the summer maiden so as to avoid risking a repeat of what happened in atlas. that, plus the nascent villain->hero arc developments involved in returning to the choice arc, taper cinder off the maiden hunting such that i do not think sheās going to be a central player in the summer maiden arc. (or obsessed with winter, for that matter.)
the summer maiden arc, sans cinder
okay. here we go!
in order for the ATM triad to eventuate, as i believe it will, someone in vacuo is going to need a reason to pull that trigger. at beacon and in atlas, the reason was cinder. cinder is also the reason both of those transfers failed. because cinder isĀ probablyĀ Not In Vacuo, the ATM triad is almost certainly the a-a-b pattern; the negated pair both failed because cinderĀ deliberatelyĀ provoked them for the purpose of gaining access to the maiden,Ā so i think the likely reversal here is that a machine transfer initiated in a non-crisis situation will succeed.Ā
this is a puzzle, because the ATMs are unequivocally Not Good. every single character in the story is on the same page about this; even ironwood regards it as a necessary evil. there is an asterisk here for pietro because the only person harmed by his use of the machines is himself and he made the choice freely. but inĀ any other circumstance,Ā using the ATM is wrong, because Thatās Murder. so the decision to use an ATM in vacuo to transfer a maiden is not one that can be made lightly.
thus we have to consider what circumstances could lead to that decision, and to do that we need to zoom outĀ a little.
letās assume the CFVY novels are both canonical and relevant to the narrative of the show proper, as RH was to V9.
i submit that there are two (2) possible summer maidens hinted at in before the dawn. one of them is sunās cousin, starr sanzang, who appears briefly at the end of the book and has an āuncanny senseā for the weather.
the other is gillian asturias.
she and her twin brother, jax, are the leaders of a virulently xenophobic nationalist movement called the crown; they believe themselves to be direct descendants of the defunct vacuan monarchy, all the way back to malik the sunderer, first king of vacuo. their āevidenceā (such as it is) is a crown-shaped birthmark supposed to be had by every member of the royal lineage. gillās, however, is actually aĀ brand,implied to have been done to her by her father when she was an infant.
gill is the power behind the crown. her semblance siphons aura; in the novel, she uses captives as batteries to make herself virtually invincible. on the battlefield, she glows with a brilliant iridescent lightābrighter than the moon.Ā
their motherāluna asturiasādeveloped some sort of sickness during pregnancy that caused her aura to rapidly deplete and gradually waste away; she died due to complications during an emergency c-section. jax was born with the same condition; gillianās aura was āelevatedā from birth. their father believes that her semblance manifested before she was even born and ate her motherās and brotherās auras.Ā
right before the climactic battle, there is a brief skirmish with gill and her lieutenant, carmine, in an abandoned dust mine, which ends with the kids deliberately triggering a cave-in by blowing up a vein of dust. this is the result:
āDid it work?ā she asked Octavia.
Octavia shook her head. āI think we got Carmine, but just before everything came down on our heads,Ā Gill flew backward and out of the cave.ā
āCarmineās telekinesis,ā Velvet said. āShe used it to save her friend at the last second.ā
then, during the actual battle:
He heard gunfire and then Dust bullets exploded against Gill, amped by Cocoās Semblance. Gill stepped back, swatting at her face as though the explosive rounds were no more annoying than bugs.
if you wanted to hide a maiden in plain sight in a canonical ancillary novel,Ā this is how you to do it.Ā
gillian isĀ extraordinarilyĀ powerful. flying, being surrounded by visibly glowing haloes, and banishing bullets with the flick of a hand are all Maiden Thingsāand also Gillian Things carefully given plausible deniability through the eyes of POV characters who donāt know about the maidens and interpret what they see as effects of a semblance.Ā
gillian herself is stridently opposed to the use of dust for reasons; if sheĀ isĀ a maiden, she has compelling political and ideological reasonsĀ notĀ to use the dust-like elemental magic that comes with being a maiden. if she started lobbing fireballs, everyone would assume she was using dust to do it, and that would make her look like aĀ raging hypocrite. but covertly using magic to augment what she can do with fifty peopleās aura? sure.
and the summer maiden is theĀ maiden of destruction.Ā the asturias family identity revolves around descent from a man named malik the sunderer. her fanatic of a father BRANDED HER with the mark of this legacy as an infant. her dead mother who sickened and died in childbirth is named for theĀ moon.Ā
when ozma ended the great war, he did it in vacuo, the crown on his head and the sword in hand. jax asturias is the leader of the crown, the twin with the real birthmark, the mind of the operation. gill is theĀ powerāvery literally the source of his strength, because she lends him some of her own aura, and metaphorically his shield and hisĀ sword.
and furthermore,Ā the lesson taught by the summer maiden in the fairytale is ādonāt view the world at a distance; take an active part in it and the events around you.ā gillās backstory very closely mirrors salemās in one key wayātheir mothers die in childbirth, and their fathers see them as the causeāBUT. where salemās father locked her in a tower about it, finn asturiasĀ Ā chose differently:
ā[Gillās semblance] had caused us so much pain, but I couldnāt blame her, an unborn baby, doing what we all do: trying to survive. Over the years, I taught her to control her Semblance, and over time we unlocked her true abilityāshe doesnāt just sap Aura from others; she can transfer it, too. It turned out her power, which had seemed like such a curse, could be a force for good as well. She had a large reserve of Aura already, and so she shared some of it with her brother. And he began to thrive.ā
throughout the novel there is also a recurring thread of other people (theodore, finn, rumpole) remarking on how much promise gill had and how she could have been a great huntressāif only she hadnāt stuck with her brother. once jaxās mind-control semblance is found out, everyone assumes that heās using it to keep gill under his thumb⦠but he isnāt. his semblance straight up does not work on her, possibly because her aura powers it.Ā
so gillian embodies the summer maidenās lesson in two different ways; her father made a Huge Point of making sure she could take part in the world (instead of isolating her as salemās father did), and gill bucked everyoneās assumptions about what sheĀ shouldĀ do, actively following her own ambitions instead of passively accepting the expectation placed on her.Ā
gill is alive and in custody at the end of the novel. (jax likewise, although his memory was at least temporarily wiped.) if sheās the summer maiden, that ticks the box for summer being the excluded fourth in the seasonal triad-of-triads; she is not, in any sense except moral,Ā fragile.
and gill as the summer maiden throws an interesting curveball at the Machine Question: what to do with a maiden who can also absorb the auras of fifty people to turbo charge her abilities, when that maiden is a reactionary nationalist who led a violent insurgency a few weeks ago and the only thing keeping her in jail is that she loves her brother and heāll die without her? what do you do with her when you expect salem to rock up with another legion of grimm any day now?Ā
maybe you look at a machine meant for ripping aura out of a person to put in somebody else, and then look at her brother who has almost no aura of his own, and see a way for everyone to win? it isnāt like gillian asturias has any objection to transferring her own aura to her brother. sheās spent most of their lives doing exactly that, because she loves him.
the only difference is that the ATM can make that transferĀ permanent.
it wonāt kill her: partial transfers are possible, and sheāll still have her ability to siphon aura.Ā
itĀ mightĀ strip her of the maiden power, andābecause the magic will only cleave to a womanāthere is at least aĀ chanceĀ that something like what happened with amber, pyrrha, and cinder can be deliberately triggered with gillianās willing cooperation. transfer half gillās aura to jax while gill focuses on an eligible candidate (cough, starr, cough), andĀ maybeĀ you can convince the magic to separate from gillianās aura, leave her and jax, and hop into the chosen heir instead, just as it would if gillian died.
the reasoning is sound. gill would probably agree to do it for her brotherās sake; she and jax already share her aura, a permanent split between them would give them both an average amount of aura, and the transfer being partial would keep their consciousnesses separate, thus avoiding the Ozma Problem. all the thorny ethical problems involved in using the machines are avoided, and the magicās rules are bent (gill lives) but not broken (the machine triggers an ordinary transfer), which reduces the risk that the magic will resist or break free.Ā
and if it does go wrong, the most probable outcome is that the magic ends up split between the asturias twinsāwhich is notĀ ideal,Ā but youāve also earned some goodwill from both of them by helping jax and you can maybe pitch them on an enemy-of-my-enemy alliance to defend vacuo from salem because they sure as fuck arenāt about to joinĀ her.
this is a) the only scenario where i can plausibly imagine RWBYJNOR et al deciding to use the ATM to transfer a maiden, and b) the only one i can imagine succeeding without having dire repercussions.Ā
the other possibilityāone i think is all but guaranteed if gill isnāt the summer maidenāis that a villain uses the ATM to steal the maiden power, with dire repercussions.Ā
and inĀ eitherĀ case, as long as weāre prognosticating interminably on the summer maiden arc, we might as well think about what the shape of the V10 narrative arc mightĀ lookĀ like if salem isnāt in vacuo.Ā
the first point to address here is how inadequate tyrian is for the job of leading the operation in vacuo. he is extremely good at indiscriminate killing and quite bad at everything else; watts was in charge in V7 because watts is aĀ competent strategist. tyrian lacks focus and discipline. in the short term, heāll start and spread fires; in the longer term, if salem intends to bide her time, she needs someoneĀ reliable.
summer rose has been holding beacon against valeās huntsmen for the last year or so whilst searching for the vault. sheās been with salem fourteen years. there is no question that salem both trusts and relies on her. even if itĀ werenātĀ a binary choice between her and cinder, sheās the obvious pick. once salem arrives at beacon, she can take over the operation there, send summer ahead to handle vacuo, and keep cinder safely away from any other maidens.
the strategic end of salemās operation in vacuo is to retrieve the sword from the vault under shade academy. she is undoubtedlyĀ preparedĀ to deliver a siege and capture shade by force, but as with haven itās more likely that Plan A is to do things quietly.
summer also has an immediate personal interest in accomplishing this goal without an open assault (her daughters are leading the defending coalition) and, given the level of autonomy implied by salem handing off beacon to her for a year+, probably broad latitude to make the tactical decisions she deems best.
so summerās priority is finding the summer maiden and getting her to open the vault. she herself isĀ probablyĀ not an eligible maiden candidateāsheās in her fortiesāso maiden-killing is out. her options are to persuade the summer maiden, or capture her and steal the magic if she can get her hands on an ATM.Ā
meanwhile, the crown is in shambles with the asturias twins in custody and the vacuo coalition holding strong in the face of the assumed-to-be-imminent threat, plus morale bolstered by team RWBY and jauneās return. but the cracks still show. vacuans have always been hostile to outsiders, and the refugees are putting an enormous strain on the already-impoverished kingdom, even with aid pouring in from vale and mistral. the crownās core supporters are people who believe that allowing refugees into vacuo will weaken its defenses, and the longer this drags on, the more they can capitalize on tensions to stoke dissent.Ā
gill and jax are bound to escape or get broken out by their loyalists sooner or later. if gillĀ isĀ the summer maiden, and summer identifies her as such, then getting the vault open might be as simple as posing as a huntress disillusioned by the āweaknessā of the powers that be and telling gillian about the sword.Ā
the tricky part is getting the sword away from gillian, because a summer maiden who can drain auraĀ andĀ wields the sword of destruction is a walking nuke. summer might be able to pull it off if her semblance is along the same lines as rubyās: have gill open the vault, rush the sword, cut her down before she can react. otherwise, cutting a dealāthe sword in exchange for salem leaving vacuo aloneāmight work, because salemās stated motive in the broadcast is to destroy the huntsman academies and that is also what gill wants, so summer could make a credible argument here that salem is a potential ally to the crown.Ā
if gill isĀ notĀ the summer maiden, then the crown is still potentially usefulāa nascent civil war will distract the coalition and if the crown rebels again andĀ wins,Ā theyāre probably going to be easier to persuade or manipulate into opening the vault (and jax can control the summer maiden, if it comes to that). also, adding the imminent threat of a civil war to the imminent threat of salem attacking puts more pressure on the coalition to risk using the sword.
theĀ otherĀ thing summer might do is eschew the cloak-and-dagger routine altogether and take a gamble on approaching her daughters to open negotiations; this is, to put it mildly, a risk. but a very high-reward risk.
IN SUMMARY.
gillian asturias -> starr sanzang. probably.
summer rose is here and sheās not going to, at any point, Be the summer maiden but she is going to Cause Problems On Purpose.
one of the ways the summer maiden arc will be Different is that summer rose has some things to unpack (what happened to the last spring maiden That Night)
the vacuo ATM is either for the asturias twins OR someone (summer or jax) is going to do a murder OR there is no ATM, thereās just gill and her ability to (temporarily) steal the maiden power via aura, in which case itās starr -> gillian -> starr and we might see magic-thieving conflicts between gill and winter or raven also.
if the ATM gets used forĀ any other purposeĀ than making gillās and jaxās aura-sharing deal permanent it is going to be Very Bad.Ā
maybe the real crown was the reactionary insurgents we foiled along the way?
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Y'know at first I was concerned about Marrow just quickly deciding to go along with whatever Ironwood said to them, it seemed weird to have Harriet questioning Ironwood and Marrow blindly following, but now that I know what they were asked to do, it makes a lot more sense
Their order was changed, not to fight Penny, just to grab one of her swords. I dont think Marrow wanted to fight Penny or the others, which is why he was so quick to accept that order
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so since rubyās semblance is something something molecules, and it looks like rose petals from the outside⦠same type of rose petals that are also associated with summer, and could do with her semblance as wellā¦
āthus kindly i scatterā
what if summer really isnāt dead, but sheās been literally scattered mid-semblance use, and sheās being prevented from reforming?
Iām sure Salemās aware that Oz is a tiny child by now, however the idea that no one ever bothered to tell her is very funny so I will be running with it
Iām not a RWBY blog, I do not intend to ever post about RWBY again, but I am SO MAD at season 7 and Cloverās death that Iām being legally forced to post this theory because I need to HopeĀ
AlrightĀ
Clover is the Fisher King
This is very obvious by the fact that he fights with a literal fishing pole called the Kingfisher. Which is also a bird and Qrow is a bird and iāM SO MADĀ
Anyway. Whatās the Fisher King? The Fisher King is a figure from Arthurian folklore in which Percival or sometimes Galahad (whoeverās playing the Grail Knight which is its whole own thing) comes across a kingdom in tatters due to their king being horribly injured. In the mythos, this causes him to not be able to have children, and the kingdom falls into disarray due to his infertility. I donāt see this part as being relevant but hey there you go.Ā
Imma paraphrase but in the mythos, the Grail Knight arrives at the Fisher Kingās palace and is warned not to talk too much. While there, he sees a procession of people carrying strange objects, most notably a grailĀ
And a bleeding lance
And, after the procession is over, the Grail Knight is scolded because if he had just asked the Healing QuestionĀ
After this, the Grail Knight has to go on a question to find out the Healing Question, return, heal the Fisher King, and restore the kingdom.Ā
Huh? Is there a kingdom in disarray at this moment? Could a certain personās injury make things worse? Could them getting better help the kingdom get better? Huh? Not sure.Ā
Tldr: Clover is the Fisher King from Arthurian mythos. The Fisher King being injured makes the kingdom go to shit. He is healed by asking a specific question.Ā
Iām going to go back to my Good Omens land where everything is happy and I experience the emotion of joy
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