xo

“Im a diagnosed system and i support the ideas of willos / endos!”

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert

And again, that's not how mental disorders work or are defined. Symptoms exist on a continuum with normality, they don't require a disorder to be experienced. We linked the currently used and accurate DSM-V-TR definition of a mental disorder, that supports our claim. You can 'argue' against that all you want - it won't magically make you correct.

Many of the articles linked are from PubMed, the main site for publishing scientific research, since 1996, run by the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the U.S. National Library of Medicine at the National Institutes of Health.. If you're calling that "useless", you don't know really anything about today's science.

"Citing stuff from the 1900s"

Because that's how science works, especially in the field of psychology, which only became a recognised field in 1880 - you're going to find most of the work you're claiming supports you is also from the 1900s. (The final lobotomy was in 1967. MPD became a diagnosis in 1980...)

"Tulpamancy has nothing to do with dissociative disorders"

Literally, the point.

you are also harassing me at this point and stalking every comment i make - also insane

psychology and research evolve and change over time with more research, thats how it works

Don't undermine actual harassment and stalking just because somebody has a different opinion. All we've done is respond to your public post, respond to your public replies to us, and read through public comments on the same public post. You're claiming that somebody reading your public post and replying to your public post is stalking and harassing you - if you don't want people to see your post.. don't post it.

Yes, psychology and research has evolved and changed over time. Our referenced information on mental disorders is the most current version, as is the rest of the information we've given you. Which you wouldn't know, because you've refused to read it.

Again, not how the scientific process works. Your main claim as to why we're wrong is fragmentation, which is the theory of structural dissociation, the theory you're disregarding. Medical studies of populations aren't opinions, as you can see in what we linked. Brain scans and fMRIs aren't opinions, as you can see in what we linked. Theories are how psychological science works, and are behind most things psychological - the type of research proving CDDs exist, is the same type of research proving non-traumagenic multiplicity exists.

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert

Also a ton of the links Guardians System posted are to .org sites.

also ive been on this site for a long long time i know how it works. i do not care to engage with long posts about something you will not change my mind on, thats not a crime

again, i dont know why youre still talking to me.

heres some resources:

indeed.com

tinder.com

It doesn't matter how many people believe endogenics are faking, if they're not basing that belief on what the actual science says. Millions of people are anti-vax in contradiction of what the science actually says, does that make them right?

We've got the evidence. You have "just Google it bro".

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert

And again, that's not how mental disorders work or are defined. Symptoms exist on a continuum with normality, they don't require a disorder to be experienced. We linked the currently used and accurate DSM-V-TR definition of a mental disorder, that supports our claim. You can 'argue' against that all you want - it won't magically make you correct.

Many of the articles linked are from PubMed, the main site for publishing scientific research, since 1996, run by the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the U.S. National Library of Medicine at the National Institutes of Health.. If you're calling that "useless", you don't know really anything about today's science.

"Citing stuff from the 1900s"

Because that's how science works, especially in the field of psychology, which only became a recognised field in 1880 - you're going to find most of the work you're claiming supports you is also from the 1900s. (The final lobotomy was in 1967. MPD became a diagnosis in 1980...)

"Tulpamancy has nothing to do with dissociative disorders"

Literally, the point.

you are also harassing me at this point and stalking every comment i make - also insane

psychology and research evolve and change over time with more research, thats how it works

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert

Also a ton of the links Guardians System posted are to .org sites.

also ive been on this site for a long long time i know how it works. i do not care to engage with long posts about something you will not change my mind on, thats not a crime

again, i dont know why youre still talking to me.

heres some resources:

indeed.com

tinder.com

It doesn't matter how many people believe endogenics are faking, if they're not basing that belief on what the actual science says. Millions of people are anti-vax in contradiction of what the science actually says, does that make them right?

We've got the evidence. You have "just Google it bro".

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert

Also a ton of the links Guardians System posted are to .org sites.

also ive been on this site for a long long time i know how it works. i do not care to engage with long posts about something you will not change my mind on, thats not a crime

again, i dont know why youre still talking to me.

heres some resources:

indeed.com

tinder.com

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert

trauma changes the brain - not in just systems, but also can cause someone to develop a PD, other dissociative disorders, and can even take part in the expression of bipolar and schizophrenia. why on earth would your healthy, non-traumatized brain randomly form parts/alters if not for survival? fuck off with that.

the only pro-endo argument that makes sense is 'they don't remember their trauma', because that isn't endogenic then. that's traumagenic still.

Diagnosed traumagenic DID system w/ PTSD and CPTSD here.

FYI, "endogenic systems don't remember their trauma" isn't a pro-endo argument

"Changes the brain"

Brain scans on plurals and non-plurals

Brain scans on plurals

Brain scans on non-plurals

"The same problem applies to the biological similarities between PTSD and complex dissociative disorders reviewed by Nijenhuis (2014), for example reduced hippocampal volume. Reduced hippocampal volume is not specific to PTSD or dissociative disorders and can occur in schizophrenia and depression."

"Why would you have parts without trauma"

Multiple selves

Parts of self

Subselves

Subpersonalities

Inner child

Polypsychism

Self Aspects

Polyvalent Selves

Internal Family Systems

Altered states and Hidden Observer

"You need fragmentation of identity to be multiple"

Authors of The Haunted Self explaining that this only applies to trauma-related structural dissociation of the personality, not any other dissociation or multiplicity

This is supported

By a multitude of research

Spanning multiple decades

Across multiple contexts

By multiple professionals

In multiple fields

"They're imaginary friends/play pretend"

Illusion of Independant Agency

Varieties of agency

Imaginary friends vs plurals

Imaginary friends aren't sentient, plurals are

Imaginary can be real

Playing with identity

Intrinsic states

"Systems and systemhood require trauma"

Here's a list of sources proving you wrong

Even The Haunted Self doesn't support you

"Plurality is DID"

No, it's really not

Otherwise, DID would be "system disorder"

When there are some with DID who aren't a system

Plural means more than one

DID requires a multitude of other symptoms

You are just plain wrong

In the eyes of science

"Larping my experiences"

Plurality and multiplicity

Aren't the same

As having a CDD

One is a disorder

One is an experience

One is an identity

This is how

Mental disorders work

Disorders require distress

Symptoms exist outside

"It doesn't make sense because it's stupid"

- So says the guy talking about science

"Non-scientific bullshit"

- But hasn't provided any supporting scientific source

"The entirety of the board of psychologists supports me"

So link them. Well-known medical professionals supporting endogenic systems include,

-Dr. Richard Loewenstein, head of the DSM-V-TR dissociative disorder section

-Dr. Eric Yarbrough, distinguished fellow of the APA

-Dr. Colin Ross, world-renowned DID expert