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Oh, right. The altar. The altar for Lilith. The altar chosen especially to worship Lilith. Lilith's altar. That altar?

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I saw you say smth about transmasculinity being sacred to Lilith - can you speak more on that? I’ve seen trans women talk about her support/connection to them but I always figured transmasculinity fell outside of her purview at best, and that she’d actively see it as “becoming the enemy” at worst.
From the words of Lilith herself,
“Rather than submit to a man you became a man that cannot be controlled.”
There are a lot of layers to this and I have SO much to say but I’m gonna try to stay concise.
The one major idea that I wanna express is that Lilith is not necessarily adversarial to men or masculinity in itself. And in fact, Lilith is not necessarily or automatically benevolent towards femininity and women either. Neither are necessarily the enemy.
- I say this to mean, you will not automatically be given favour by Lilith by simply being female or identifying as a woman, and visa versa, she’s not predisposed to hate you if you are male or identify as a man. (Or anything beyond and in between)
Lilith is overtly against patriarchy, and highly against bio essentialism. The idea that a uterus must carry a fetus, that a penis must dominate a vagina is antithetical to her entire existence. So yes, her archetype does include hostility even towards women who uphold patriarchal ideals (which is why she is seen as a danger to pregnant women in some of her myths, she is anti complacency within that system) and her archetype also encompasses comrade with men who defy the patriarchy.
In my experiences with her, there are a few aspects about transmasculinity in particular that she finds very sacred.
Through the act of medically transitioning many trans men and mascs at some point make the conscious decision to be voluntarily infertile for the sake of their own comfort, that’s already a huge claim of self that defies multiple systems of patriarchy and oppression. Lilith is highly associated with not carrying, the conscious decision to prevent procreation as a choice.
Most, arguably all, trans men and mascs have to redefine masculinity and manhood for themselves through a body that is viewed and functions as female. This is a manhood that is born not out of biology (man because dick) but out of self recognition. It is not only a rejection of the patriarchy but a completely fuckery of it. You are not bound to the same automatic biases (although you can be) as most cisgender men. Having lived in a female body, most trans men and mascs understand what it means to exist in an oppressed body. They don’t fall for the same propaganda that treats the female anatomy as strange broken and alien because they understand it.
This is super hard to explain, but whenever a woman or a trans man or a non-binary person has to go to work while on their period, that’s Lilith.
Trans men who have to go through the pressure of being sexualized by people who see them as women, and the intense backlash of phasing out of what is acceptable for women, that’s Lilith. The visceral uncomfortableness that bigots have when a trans man finally grows facial hair, that is Lilith. There is still rebellion and rage. Trans men still face insane amounts of violence from cis men. And rather then allow that to contaminate their understanding of true masculinity and manhood, they make the active decision to reclaim manhood and be different.
It is a nuanced experience with everything that is sacred to Lilith; self recognition, rebellion, submission and domination, sex, and power. Self made men.
Men who protect women not out of chivalry or even love, but understanding and respect.
“It’s offensive to reclaim Lilith as a Goddess associated with feminine rage and female power because she was described as a violent baby-killer by the Jews, why would you want to worship a baby eating demon that they tried to warn you about?!”
Do you guys understand what demonization is.
Like do you understand what the point of an infernal spirit is like as a concept.
Yes.
Of course.
No one was ever trying to claim that Lilith was all light and love. Yes. She is a spirit associated with crib death, miscarriage, infidelity… thats the point. she is a demon. She is the demonized aspects of femininity, the female who does not carry, the female who does not marry. She was reclaimed by those women who were also demonized.
Hey guys… she’s a demon. A demonized spirit. A spirit who has quite literally been *demonized*
Yes. Of course an organized religion of god fearing theists would warn against contacting a demon known for seducing men. This might be a crazy idea, but religious people in general tend to warn us about demons… not just Lilith, all of them.
This idea that recognizing Lilith as the dark feminine is somehow an appropriation or disrespecting of the Jewish religion makes absolutely no fucking sense guys I’m sorry. The Jews also described Baal and the other Gods and spirits of the Babylonians (including Lilith) in the exact same fashion, in the exact same textual lineage. Every single demon we know the names of were described negatively by organized religions. That’s how… religion works. Of course they are going to tell you that she’s only evil and must be avoided. No fucking shit.
Telling demonolaters, people who worship and work with demons that they are racist or appropriating Jewish culture because they worship the demon Jews (and not only Jews, many different groups of people in the ancient Middle East- Babylonians, Assyrians etc) told them to avoid is…????
What????
Every single demon. Is a demon. That Jews have told us to avoid.
Hey guys.
Every single demon. Is a demon. Because they were demonized.
Lilith is no different from Sammael, Asmodeus or Lucifer. Lilith is no different than Belial or Baal. WHAT do you think demonization is?????
If I tell a Christian that Lucifer is actually a God of transformation and liberation within demonolatry, what do you think they’re going to say?
Tf????
“Religious people told you not to worship demons so if you do that’s disrespectful to them”
WHERE ARE WE???
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY KNEW THIS?
GUYS. WORSHIPPING ANY DEMONIZED SPIRIT IS BAD ACCORDING TO ORGANIZED RELIGION.
????
“You can’t reclaim a spirit who has been historically shunned for the same reasons many marginalized people, specifically women, are”
Why not?
“Because a closed religion told you not to talk to her. They think it’s sinful.”
Hey so.
Yeah.
Yeah. Thats. Uh. To be expected guys.
Demon worshipers tend to worship things most people don’t.
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on the bus today i was having a few doubts on if im truly ready/worthy to be a Lilith devotee, so i was looking out the window and was like "Hey Lilith if you think I can do it give me a sign" and after a few minutes of no sign I remembered the owl figure i found in the £1 bin at the shop today and realised that was probably a sign from her already so i then was like "Nah i know I can do it, show me you agree?" and INSTANTLY a vehicle with a snake logo on it went past.
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