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Two in Dreamland, Athens and Elysium. Twins, raised genderless. No placeholder pronouns. One of them is a she but we don't even actually know if she meant she/her. Could be shx/hxr. Or shi/shine. It was verbal, and we don't know anything about Athens. Naturally they/them is used but they're not actually listed as their placeholder pronouns.

The 4 Winslow kids were raised genderless and had they/them as their placeholder pronouns. There's 5 parents, only one is cis, one is binary trans, the other three are various types of genderfucky, so no surprise. Then two of them are married with one kid and they also have they/them placeholder pronouns.

There's 19 documented Apache-Sánchez eresians. 10 of them we don't even know their names. But whether we know their name or not, if they haven't confirmed, there are also no placeholder pronouns of any kind because it is assumed that they're gonna be genderfucky and against any exipronouns. For some reason, gender and pronouns and aesthetic all appear to be hereditary in the Apache-Sánchez family. Presumably they are also raised genderless? The first generation at least, not sure about the grandkids.

The Bistrocule has 26 eresians. Exactly half atm. There's multiple different families with them, 15 of them are in my family, the Cattaneo family. The other 11 are across 4 other families.

All of them were given he/him or she/her placeholder pronouns. None of them were raised genderless. One of them [to our knowledge] declared they/she/it at age 11. My oldest twins are both she/it and one of them is trans. Everyone else, to our current knowledge, is he/him or she/her alone, and everyone was given binary placeholder pronouns, including the one born visibly intersex.

The exception is Audrey, who was raised genderless until age 6. But this was not like the families in the other groups. She wasn't being raised to be able to choose her own gender, she was raised to be specifically non-binary. It's weird because her brother was not raised gender neutral at any point, and it's bad because her mother was horribly abusive and was asserting control over her identity to display control over her dad. Mother's banned now, kids and father went to therapy and are doing fine. This wasn't genderless parenting, it was a method of control disguised as genderless parenting. We don't believe Francie would have been supportive of Audrey turning out to be cis.

Enough about domestic abuse trauma, that has nothing to do with the Bistrocule not choosing genderless parenting, that happened way later.

I just noticed there was a group separation and thought it was cool. Apache-Sánchez family all have similar genders and wildly different pronouns, Winslow's gave placeholder pronouns, Anima's gave no placeholders, and Bistrocule took a different approach altogether.

Rather than genderless parenting, posing they/them as a sort of blank slate to make it easier to discover and declare their own gender, we went ahead and did AGAB, but raised them gender conscious. They have options, they have a support system, there are Plenty of people in and out of the Bistrocule able and willing to help them question and discover, they don't need to figure it out at any pace or get it right the first time, no one will be upset with them for any reason, not providing a blank slate wherein most will need to declare something eventually, but providing a safe environment to question and explore and declare if there is something else to declare.

This wasn't thought out or outlined like this beforehand, no one sat down to decide to raise our kids like this, and it's not a stance against genderless parenting by any means, that's completely fine and great, we just kind of. all did it that way. unspoken. Which is cool. I think this is all very cool.

I started with my own source. Six of us from Metal Family, four from one universe, two from another. Glam, Chive, Lordy and I from MF-1 and Dee and Heavy from MF-2. Glam was the first one to get here, so hxs universe and everyone else from it is 1, even if Chive and Lordy and I got here after Heavy and Dee. We were simple.

The Bistrocule was less simple in terms of what metric we consider in order to label chronological order. I decided to go in order of exomemories.

BH-1 I decided goes for Joey C. Shx only has noemata [knowings and emotional exomemories but no actual memories] but this still counts as confirmation, at least in retrospect, that shx has hyr own home universe and is not a fictive. As Terry G. mentioned in his, Jasmine did arrive alongside Joey C. quite literally holding her hands, however we are unaware of whether or not they share the same exoreality. Regardless, Jasmine can either confirm that she's from BH-1 at a later date or establish her own BH-7 or higher with ease.

BH-2 easily goes to Kandi.kafe. That's Deenie and 5 subsysmates that came with h3r: Pickles, Ruby, Amber1, Spencer and JD.

BH-3 just as easily goes to the Valentine's and MS. Joey V. who immediately brought Amber V. and Terry R. And then Terry R.'s imported subsysmates: Spruce, Emery, Esme, Luna R. and Lucille. There is also Clover in MS, but it formed here, so while its host and subsystem are from BH-3, it alone is not.

BH-4 has the most people from it, with 2 different subsystems. Trick potentially accessed his first exomemories, some childhood trauma, shortly before Joey V. got here, I don't remember, but his subsyscovery was shortly after, so I'm putting it as 4. This includes Joey I. and then Terry G. and his imported subsysmates Clara, Nathan, Wilson and Mikey, and then Trick and his imported subsysmates Jake C, Connor, Sara and Echo. But Coral, Frances, Luke2 and Lucas C. who all formed in Trick's subsystem here are not from BH-4.

BH-5 is for Rosalie.

And BH-6 is for Avery and Joey A. It might include Avery's subsysmates Briar and Levi D. but it does not include Bailey D. or Davis for sure.

And there are several others from Bistro Huddy so there likely will be other exorealities confirmed and labelled in the future.

While the Bistrocule wasn't as clear cut as my own group, it was still very easy in comparison to the Winslow's.

Dionysus/Drea, Luke Castellan, Percy Jackson, Leo Valdéz and Andromeda. You probably recognise at least one of those names. They're all five married with kids and they have a very non-linear exoreality experience.

Dionysus is from actual Greek mythology. Specifically hy is from The Bacchae and even more specifically the story of Pentheus as well as some others. Hy is also one of several hundred Dionysi in the DionySys and also exists in a Riordanverse reality [Mr. D, called Derek, is a different Dionyso].

In ancient Greece hy had a lover. Many, of course, over centuries but we're focusing on specifically a young prince of Thebes whom hy saved once. Hys name is Kyros and Dionysus brought hym here from hys exomemories [the first to do so and many others have done so as well].

In modern day New York, hys primary lover was Luke. They got married, Luke was made immortal, they were very happy together, and then in the year 2044 they both [with Drea taken alone, not with the whole DionySys] were inexplicably taken to an alternate timeline. That timeline is where Percy and Leo are from. And then Andromeda is from another.

Now at first I considered Kyros and The Bacchae as 1, Luke's first timeline as 2, the second timeline as 3 and Andromeda as 4. And the question was how to categorise Luke and Dionysus. Do I put Luke in both 2 and 3, and Dionysus in 1, 2 and 3? Are we counting where they've been or exclusively where they've come from?

I considered having different letters for different specific sources, and connecting them together with either W for Winslow or WC for Wine Cult. WC-Bc-1 for Dionysus and Kyros, WC-PJO-2 for Dionysus and Luke, WC-PJO-3 for Dionysus, Luke, Percy and Leo and WC-HoO-4 or WC-SoN-4 for Andromeda.

But 3 is tricky, because while Percy is from PJO, Luke is from HoO like Andromeda, specifically TLH. Maybe instead of PJO v. HoO and SoN we should just do RR for Rick Riordan.

Also, Kyros isn't from The Bacchae or any preserved ancient literature. Maybe WC-AG-1 instead? But also I don't actually like how bulky the WC makes it and I don't think that others from EPIC or The Iliad in the Wine Cult should join the same lineup. So drop that actually...

Then I realised, wait a minute, AG-1 is RR-2. Just in wildly different places and time periods, but it is the same universe. So even though Drea is the Dionyso that shows up in the story of Pentheus and other stories especially in The Bacchae, the universe can still be classified as a Riordanverse exoreality, therefore the first timeline is RR-1, the second with Percy and Leo is RR-2 and Andromeda's is RR-3.

As for Luke and Dionysus being in both RR-1 and RR-2, we are specifying that they're from RR-1 with continuity in RR-2.

And there are definitely other sources but I didn't name them. They can name themselves if they ever front again but everyone else has fronted before exomemories or may be a fictive but not an introvect, they're walk-ins from other systems in other universes, such as Zara and Zoe or Eros or Cecil. That would be harder to name... if they want them to be named at all, I do know they all come from terrible systems so...

But! I'm very happy about this.

-- Bob (he/it)

Edit: I forgot Luke also has an imported subsystem o.0 so Nova, Naomi, Lucy and Jack are all also from RR-2

It's not quite to scale, at least with the buildings... not for lack of wanting to try but our drawing app panicked at just 2000² px and I would need minimum 15000² px if I tried to make it to scale...

Best I can tell, considering my demigod vision, the effect of looking over a body of water, the complete lack of air pollution, the size of the Forest and the type of trees in it, based on how small and blurry it looks from my house on the peninsula, the gap, and therefore the length of the hills and fields, is at least 15 miles, maybe more.

Based on the estimated height of the doorways and then ceilings for each floor of the mansion [9ft doorways, 22ft ground floor, 14ft second and third floor] and the rough ratio of the length, width and height, the mansion is roughly 65ft wide and long and 53ft tall [not including the weird incomplete 4th floor].

If I made the mansion one single pixel, therefore equating 1² pixel to 65² feet, the hills and fields alone would need to span 1218 pixels length. Which I maybe could have done but the app still would have been very slow and it would have been a nightmare to work with it being so buggy and probably closing out. To make matters worse, I wanted to make 1² pixel 8² ft, meaning the length of the fields would have been 9900 pixels, and that definitely wasn't happening.

But as far as the landscape itself goes, I think it's a fairly accurate scale, and more importantly, shape. We've made other maps of headspace, but never so large, although there is definitely more beyond this that we don't know of, as well, of course, as two whole other sidesystems and an underlaying layer.

The oher maps are of a small view of the centre of the second floor of the mansion;

a very basic map of the landscape to show that the mansion woods and the Forest are right next to each other despite being very different [the Forest is sentient and sacred]. We didn't even know what the unlabelled dark green might be;

and various maps of the Bistrocule frontspace [we now front from anywhere and are not confined to the fronting room, nor a customer frontspace, so none of is used anymore, except for the Temple which has been transported... somewhere... I think in the fields at the bottom of the hills near the back woods];

[ I commend the amount of detail. @huddycule ]

as well as a diagram of the polyplex, which was made when someone asked about the difference between a sidesystem and a layer.

There's also this illustration of the Dreamland house. It's not done, and it's a bit abstract, but this is what we mean when we say it's a house on a floating island. @dreamland-haunted

I was the first one to remember the hills and fields but the hills gets skipped over when travelling between the near and far fields, plus it was thought that the fields were only about 1-3 miles long whereas I'm not sure 15 is long enough.

And the peninsula is brand new knowledge that I brought today, since I live there. This is how I was able to calculate the minimum length of the fields. I also bring knowledge that it's colder over here, so there's weather as well.

We don't yet know what exists beyond what I was able to map out, or technically if there even is anything. We also have no idea what the Hellscape is like. Or the ocean, for that matter, though there's at minimum two people who live there, probably in separate castles, and I think there's both sentient and non-sentient sealife as well.

Perhaps we are Sons of Anarchy LOL