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What are your thoughts on Romans 14:1-3? Do they go against a vegan theology? I've recently been in discussion about this and I was wondering what your own thoughts were on this issue. Thank you so much!
Hello, and thanks for the question!Â
I have written a few thoughts on that topic. You can read my assessments here, and here. Let me know if you still have thoughts or questions and I would be happy to talk about it more!
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I'm a vegetarian, but I really want to go vegan! I don't even really want to eat eggs or dairy, however, every time I go try going vegan, even if it's only for a few days, I start feeling super sick/tired. And after I eat dairy/eggs I suddenly feel much better. Is this something you've experienced? I just want to be vegan, but I don't want to feel sick while doing it! :(
This is a common experience for people making the switch to veganism and I think everyone handles it a little differently. I myself did not experience this, but rather felt much better, generally, after giving up dairy and egg. Some people compensate by carb-loading because the fat content of your diet dropped so rapidly, I donât recommend this but it is an inevitability that you will eat more carbs as a vegan and that is in no sense a bad thing. Other people do a longer transition period where they slowly reduce the amount of dairy and egg in their diet while slowly replacing those meals with more vegetable protein and carb. This second method I think is perfectly acceptable if going âcold turkeyâ is not working for you. Another option is to replace those meals with high protein meals like beans and rice supplemented with lots of fiber as in root veggies or greens so that you remain full and are getting enough protein that your body doesnât notice the sudden drop in whey. Whichever method you choose make sure to be drinking lots of water and keep your body active so that you keep your metabolism up and your G.I. healthy so that your body will be happy with the food you give it. I am not a dietician for humans so you might want to find a vegan friendly dietician who can give you more exact advice. But hold out hope that giving up dairy and egg will in the end make you less lethargic rather than more tired, as is the experience of nearly every vegan who ate a healthy diet whom I have spoken to.
I'm new to veganism, becomng one after discovering the many scriptures against animal sacrifice and eating flesh. But there are still scriptures that seem to say its alright. If God does not require animal sacrifice, why did Jesus tell the leper to give the offering (pigeons) under the law after he was cleansed? Your thoughts?
Hi there! I have written about sacrifice a few times and I completely understand where your confusion stems from. You can read my previous comments on the issue here, here, here, here, and I think a few other places. If after reading those you still have questions feel free to ask!Â
Christian Veganism: Giving up more than just animal products.
Hey there,
A month ago I became a vegan officially and decidedly after being on and off for about two years. I started out trying it for the health reasons, which didnât keep me vegan, but have now transitioned to ethical veganism, which is keeping me consistent. My main reasons being the unethical ways that animals are raised and slaughtered in the US. Anyway, I am a young woman, 21 years old, in southern California. I am passionate about so many things regarding social justice, humans rights, the environment, etc. and I happen to think that I am a wonderful person. But I am also single. And I deeply desire to have a life partner who can challenge and encourage me and for whom I can do the same. Someone who will fight against injustice with me, and do ministry with me. Before I became vegan I of course had my moments of thinking I would be single foreverâŚBut now that I am vegan I feel like Iâve narrowed down my options even more, because I wonât be desirable to any other Christians who are passionate about the same things I am. On one hand I want to just have faith that God will bring me who I need, and that I shouldnât worry. I really do feel that God has called me to be a mother and a wife and to adopt children as well, in addition to being involved advocacy and activism in my community and abroad. But I just feel like no one will want me, and that this choice to live ethically, because it is so counter-cultural, will doom me to be single forever. I feel very alone. There are so many plans I have for ministry and for social justice projects, and so many blessings I can see in my life as a result of being single at this time. But I have these other deep desires of my heart that I donât know will ever be fulfilled. And Iâm realizing that the worst sacrifices of veganism have nothing to do with what I am eating, but have much more to do with the being socially ostracized and outcast. I feel like Iâve signed my life over, and I feel totally out of control and a little hopeless about myself. I donât know if I am even looking for advice or anything, just for a forum to get out my feelings with people who understand. I didnât think that being vegan would mean putting such a huge mark on me as someone who is weird or undesirableâŚI feel like Iâm only just being authentic, having my behaviors match the convictions of my heart. Anyway, there you go. And thanks for listening.Â
Also, if there are any vegan Christians in the LA/Pasadena area, I would love to get together. I really need a solid support group. Email me at [email protected]. Thanks y'all.Â
Briana
Thank you so much for your words Briana, and please know that you are not alone!
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Hi Chris,
I was wondering if you could explain to me the reason why God commanded for lambâs blood to be smeared on the front door during the time of Moses and his people in Egypt? Iâve tried to do my own research on it. Some sources said itâs because it represents Christâs sacrifice as the lamb of God, and other sources said itâs because Egyptians worshipped lambs, and so was therefore used to prove loyalty to praising God and not idols. However, even if any or both of these are true, why would a lamb have to be used? Doesnât God know who is loyal to him and therefore could instruct the angel of death to only go in the houses of the Egyptians who werenât willing to turn away from idolatry? Also, why does God command Abraham to sacrifice a sheep after the whole Mount Moriah ordeal with his son Isaac? (Iâm sorry if my questions are verbose and inaccurate, Iâm a recent âborn-againâ Christian, [previously being agnostic/atheist.] who has been vegan for a while.)
Also, Iâve been trying to study âthe controversialâ parts of the bible first and understand them. But I canât quite understand why in Leviticus God is telling Moses to have women be valued less than men in shekels, if men and women are equal in worth and dignity spiritually? I also donât understand what God means by âuncleanâ and âcleanâ animals and what He is saying about them. Iâm sorry this question is so long! :( Also, if youâre ever in California, we should hang out because weâre both vegan/christian/22 years old, and I think would get along. :) Also, Iâm working on becoming a doctor for animals too, but the human kind. ;)
Hi!
So sorry that my response is very delayed, Iâm sure you understand how little time is available to those of us studying medicine. I will do my best to address each of your questions individually, but I should say upfront that there is a lot of theological crossover between them.
Why did God command lambâs blood to be smeared on the doorposts just before the final demonstration of Godâs wrath against Egypt? This is a very intriguing and extremely important question because it involves a tradition that is central to the Jewish observance of Passover. I will not go into great detail what the implications are for modern-day Jewish people nor the nuances of Passover observance between the various sects of Judaism. I will, however, attempt to elaborate on what these traditions, and in particular that of the sacrificial lamb, mean for Christians. I should also take a moment to say that this is a very complicated topic that one could write an entire book to fully explain. Naturally, I donât have time to do that here so my explanation will be slightly superficial, but I am happy to elaborate on aspects if you still have questions! First, letâs look at the passage that you are referring to:
The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt: Â âThis month is to be the beginning of months for you; it is the first month of your year. Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month they must each select an animal of the flock according to their fathersâ households, one animal per household. If the household is too small for a whole animal, that person and the neighbor nearest his house are to select one based on the combined number of people; you should apportion the animal according to what each person will eat. You must have an unblemished animal, a year-old male; you may take it from either the sheep or the goats. Â You are to keep it until the fourteenth day of this month; then the whole assembly of the community of Israel will slaughter the animals at twilight. They must take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses where they eat them. They are to eat the meat that night; they should eat it, roasted over the fire along with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. Do not eat any of it raw or cooked in boiling water, but only roasted over fireâits head as well as its legs and inner organs. Do not let any of it remain until morning; you must burn up any part of it that does remain before morning. Here is how you must eat it: you must be dressed for travel, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. You are to eat it in a hurry; it is the Lord âs Passover.
âI will pass through the land of Egypt on that night and strike every firstborn male in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. I am Yahweh; I will execute judgments against all the gods of Egypt. The blood on the houses where you are staying will be a distinguishing mark for you; when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No plague will be among you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt. - Exodus 12: 1-12 HCSB (emphasis added)
The passage is very clear in its direction for an ever-lasting tradition to be observed by the future generations of Israel. I think that the issue you have with it is the specific incidence of placing blood on the doorposts so that the Spirit of the Lord will not bring plague to those houses, but I want to emphasize that you cannot segregate this one incidence in Egypt from the greater tradition of Passover. So how does the second testament of the Bible address Passover and the practice of the sacrificial lamb? The answer is on one hand very simple: Jesus and the lamb whose blood painted the doors of enslaved Jews are not so different from one another and in truth Jesus takes that lambâs place. This is in a sense a very clear-cut answer to the issue but I will admit it is somewhat unsatisfactory. I think it is unsatisfying in part because this is a theme that overarches all of scripture and is one of the most salient and cumulative metaphors of the entire biblical story and so to fully appreciate it we would have to start in Genesis and end in the book of Revelations assessing nearly every every chapter in their turn. For timeâs sake, I wonât do that here, there are a wide variety of books that address that very metaphor.
The question that is pertinent here: why is the metaphor necessary? One could argue that the metaphor is not necessary, but rather, it is a symptom of the dynamic relationship between God and humanity writing the story together. Think back to the book of kings, Israel desperately desires a monarchy to rule over them as is the case with all of the nations around them. Despite not wishing to give them this God grants them a king and does great work to reclaim this cultural rebellion as an institution worthy of the kingdom of God. Christ is the culmination of that reclamation as well, as it turns out, but I digress. Christ taking on the role of the sacrificial lamb of Passover is more than just symbolism, and it is more than the atonement of human sin. Christ atones for our sin by allowing himself to be sacrificed, but it is so often overlooked that Christ did not only take on the metaphor of the Passover lamb, he replaced it. Christ by taking the lambâs place pardons the lamb of any future sacrifice that would be expected of them. As He says âit is finishedâ and may no more lambs be sacrificed because the sacrifice that made a difference has been willingly given. This brings us to a sobering reality: the lambsâ blood was not necessary, as you insinuated in your question. After all, Hebrews 10 reads:
Since the law has [only] a shadow of the good things to come, and not the actual form of those realities, it can never perfect the worshipers by the same sacrifices they continually offer year after year. Otherwise, wouldnât they have stopped being offered, since the worshipers, once purified, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? But in the sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. - Hebrews 10:1-4
This is important to recognize because Jesus was not just the perfect sacrifice, He was the only sacrifice that worked at all because he was truly without blemish and He chose to be sacrificed. It is because of this we know that not only where the sacrifices of animals unnecessary, but without worth. None of them truly did anything, they gave cultural cleansing, but not spiritual cleansing. That leads us to question why they were done in the first place, why would God demand them? This is about more than the Passover lamb but all animal sacrifices, a topic I have written about multiple times here and here and here. A general take away is that sometimes, or even quite a lot of the time, the peoples in the bible establish tradition and culture, and even religion based on things that are not of God. Much like in the book of kings God lets Israel take on a practice that He does not condone so that He can reclaim it for Himself to show His glory through Christ. Itâs not an answer that always easy to stomach, but it is one of hope. It means that God did not have a malicious perspective towards animals nor did He rejoice in the slaughter of His creatures. God wished to bring them into salvation just as He did for us.
You will find that the answer is very similar for the instance of the sacrifice of Isaac. Just before Abraham sacrifices his beloved son an angel appears and says:
⌠âDo not lay a hand on the boy or do anything to him. For now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your only son from Me.â  Abraham looked up and saw a ram caught in the thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram and offered it as a burnt offering in place of his son. - Genesis 22: 12-13
This is a powerful analogy for God interceding in the sacrificial system of the temple only to replace it with another sacrifice, a miraculous sacrifice. Abraham himself said to Isaac as they climbed the mountain âGod Himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.â He was more correct than he realized at the time he said that. God did provide a sacrifice, but the take away is not that a ram was put to death, the take away is that God will provide the sacrifice, not us. It will not be a young ram from our flocks that will atone for us, only God can provide a sacrifice that will be good. God gives us the lamb for the altar and the blood for the doorposts, any sacrifice before that was nothing more than a shadow of the coming Christ. In short, the sacrifice of those animals was not just, they were a reach towards justice but as is typical of humanity it was a poor and unethical alternative. Not pretty to hear, but a huge portion of the bible is a reflection on the rebellion of humanity against God and their religious practices, even Godâs chosen people are no exception. In short, we must entertain the thought that Moses demanded the sacrificial lambs because sacrifice was the culture of the day, God never wanted the blood of rams or bulls.
For I desire loyalty and not  sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings - Hosea 6:6
In a way, this relates to your last two questions. First, the ritual cleanliness of some animals and the uncleanliness of other animals. The key word there is âritual.â I know that you did not use that word, but Peter does when he has a vision pertaining to the cleanliness of animals.
The next day, as they were traveling and nearing the city, Peter went up to pray on the housetop about noon. Then he became hungry and wanted to eat, but while they were preparing something, he went into a visionary state. He saw heaven opened and an object that resembled a large sheet coming down, being lowered by its four corners to the earth. In it were all the four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, and the birds of the sky. Then a voice said to him, âGet up, Peter; kill and eat!â
âNo, Lord!â Peter said. âFor I have never eaten anything common and ritually unclean!â
Again, a second time, a voice said to him, âWhat God has made clean, you must not call common.â This happened three times, and then the object was taken up into heaven. -Acts 10: 9-16
Granted, the word âritualâ is not independently represented in the greek, but the word for unclean (áźÎşá˝ąÎ¸ÎąĎĎÎżĎ) is translated as ritually unclean. This is because in a scriptural sense when something is referred to as âuncleanâ what is generally implied is that the item, task, or essence is against the cultural ethic, or is inappropriate to contact a priest. From an anthropological perspective, a number of these things make sense to be avoided. Things like dead animals (Lev. 11: 24) and rodents (Lev. 11: 29) because touching them would lead to the spread of disease. Others are less obvious such as women experiencing their periods. In these cases, the cause seems to be more cultural, and at times misogynistic. Although you could also consider the possibility that innate fear of human blood could be a motivator here also due to the transmission of disease. As I have already pointed out, we would be wrong to assume that the people of ancient Israel are a moral benchmark to aspire to because they lived in a time and culture that did not reflect the ethics of modern cultures. So, animals are called âuncleanâ for reasons that are biological and cultural. Women are referred to as less worthy because men of that time were sexist (not to suggest that men are no longer sexist, misogyny is alive and well sadly enough). The Christian perspective of women has changed radically over that past century and so most will read those passages with a grain of well-deserved salt. Iâm sorry that this is not a very satisfying argument either I know, but while the scriptures are God-breathed, we cannot expect everything in them to be Godâs own beliefs, the men who wrote these words were subject to their own personal and cultural prejudices just as we all are. The task is to wrestle through the scriptures to see Godâs intentions and His love as He time and again reaches His hands into human affairs to reconcile us to Him.
Again, I am sorry that this response is not terribly in depth. If you want me to go into more detail on anything I would be more than happy to! This is just an overview way of analyzing the texts you brought up.
I want to apologize for my seemingly extended absence. I have questions in my inbox that I completely intend on answering but school has been keeping more than a little busy, so I have had to put them off until now. Next week I will finally have time to work on my responses, fear not, I have not forgotten about them!Â
I could have given short, non-detailed, responses and gotten them done sooner but I want you to have as much info as possible. It is my philosophy that by answering your questions I should give you enough of the background to how I reached my conclusion so that if you were to reiterate it to someone in your life you would have enough context to address further questioning and develop the answer on your own. I hope everyone is willing to be patient with me in this endeavor! With that in mind feel free to ask me anything any time just be aware that sometimes, especially during my school sessions, the answer may take me some time.Â
I love you all so much and I hope that you are well in the coming winter months and in this time of Christâs advent.
May God come into your heart as He came to Earth so long ago to bring salvation to His beloved creation,
Hello! I'm having troubles with veganism and Christianity at the moment as some verses that I have read contradicts the vegan beliefs. Especially Romans 14:14 which says 'I know that there is no food that is wrong to eat...' Is making me question my vegan diet. (I decided to try veganism for health reasons) I was wondering if you could help me with this!
Hi there!
I have discussed that particular passage a couple times, you can find my responses here and here. Please let me know if there are other passages that you have trouble with or if you come across other issues of any kind!Â
Sorry, I have another question. I have trouble with the story of Jesus sending demons from a possessed person into a herd of pigs and the pigs running into a lake and drowning as a result.
Hello!
This is a very interesting topic to discuss. This is interesting because it is one of the very few examples in the second testament where Christ has a direct interaction with non-human animals. It is also a prominent passage referenced by critics of Christianity as it showâs Christâs indifference to non-human animals. Prominent Christian theologians have been for the most part dismissive or silent on the topic. Saint Augustine of Hippo went so far as to say that this event is evidence that Christ simply did not care about animals in his work The Catholic and Manichaean Ways of Life [1]. Saint Thomas Aquinas has been noted as a prominent figure to continue that line of reasoning but with the specific stipulation that God will do whatever is in manâs best interest regardless of what harm it brings to lesser creation, thus leading to the general concurrence, and silence, in much of Western Christian theology. This in no way means that this interpretation is ubiquitous, but it has been influential. To get a better appreciation of what we are talking about I will go over the basics of the story and then try to pick apart some of the finer details and alternate interpretations in order to shed some light on what this means for modern-day Christians and animal rights activists alike.
The event is recorded three times in the second testament: Matthew 8:28-34, Mark 5:1-20, and Luke 8:26-39. Each of the accounts has more or less the same content but with several notable differences. Matthew is the least descriptive of the three describing the region differently, saying there are two demon-possessed men instead of one, and the demon(s) is not given a name. Mark and Luke are more similar to one another describing the single man more specifically and being more ambiguous about the actual location of the event, though they mention the tombs in the are âGerasenesâ is a more broad term than âGadarenesâ which is used by Matthew only.
Matthew and Luke both state that the herd of pigs is âlargeâ but Mark actually provides a head count to give us an idea of how many pigs there actually are: about 2,000 pigs. Now, this should raise a few questions before we can get any further. Irrespective of the rearing methodology 2,000 pigs constitutes a very large swine operation by modern standards and when we consider that these pigs are apparently âfree-rangeâ this is almost an inconceivable occurrence. The likelihood of any pig owner in this region of the world at this time having 2,000 pigs in the same place is highly skeptical. The resources required to maintain such a herd and to monitor them as free-range would necessitate that the owner is fantastically wealthy. To put it in perspective, there are around 73,000 pig farms in the USA and we process approx 120,000,000 pigs through market annually, if the number of pigs per farm was equal there would still only be about 1,600 pigs per operation [2]. Obviously nowadays the pig herds are nor equal in size, rather there are few very large âfactoryâ operations and many much smaller pig farms around the country with far fewer than 2,000 pigs. Surmise it to say that this pig herd is the equivalent of a modern-day factory farm operation. As an animal scientist myself, I seriously doubt that we can take Mark literally and assume that there were actually 2,000 pigs. Furthermore, swine farms in that time period would typically have had around 150 pigs at best [3], a far cry from 2,000. This leaves me contemplating two possible alternatives: Mark was exaggerating the number of pigs, or the pigs did not exist and possibly represent something else.
So, is there any reason to entertain Markâs absurd remark? Actually, yes, there is. The answer might be in the name of the demon. âMy name is Legion,â the demon says to Jesus, âbecause we are many.â The name âlegionâ to our ear might be inconspicuous but to the peoples of that time it meant the Roman army. Now, âthe legionâ as a phrase is used a lot to refer to the entire Roman military, however, âa legionâ was the largest subunit of that military. The exact number of units in a legion varied over time but was often used to refer to 3000-6000 men, though the number appears to decline over time and by the third century may have been around 1000-1500 men. It has been suggested by some theologians that this story is actually a political message of anti-Roman sentiment. This actually makes a lot of sense when we consider that actual wordage of the passages, I will use the Mark verse as my example for the sake of brevity. The Greek word translated as âlegionâ is  ΝξγΚών the phonetic pronunciation being: leg-eh-ohnâ. Now, this word is unique compared to many that I have discussed before because it is actually of Latin origin and means exactly what you might expect: a Roman regiment. This word is the same in the Luke passage but is used once more in the Bible in Matthew 26: 53 where Christ admonishes his disciples for drawing swords during his arrest reminding them that he could call on His Father for 12 legions of angels to defend Him. But it is not just the name, the whole passage is riddled with military verbiage. In his book Discourses of an Empire: The Gospel of Mark from a Postcolonial Perspective New testament scholar Hans Leander suggests that the phrases surrounding the sending of the demons into the pigs is reminiscent of a commander sending forth an army. The Greek word âsendâ varies between verses, first, the demons beg not to be sent away (5:10), the Greek word apostellĹ (áźĎÎżĎĎέΝΝĎ) meaning to be set apart or sent with a purpose which Leander suggests has a military connotation for dispatching an army. The second âsendâ (5:12) is the Greek pempĹ (ĎέΟĎĎ) which according to the Strongâs Biblical dictionary actually does mean âdispatch.â Leanderâs writing goes much further to demonstrate how the âlegionâ demon is an allegory for a Roman occupancy in the Middle East leading to the torment of those occupied. This sentiment is hardly unheard of for ancient Jewish peoples as 20 years before this would have taken place one of the violent rebellions against the Roman occupancy in about 7 CE and others were yet to come. Had Jesus truly sent 2,000 pigs to their death in a rather politically charged context it would be fair of us to expect a little backlash against Him for this. The three versions agree that Christ was asked or forced to leave the region by the peoples there but then we never hear of it again. Does it seem reasonable that Christ could simply drive a super herd to their deaths and then just have it appear that nothing had happened? Might the, presumably many, men watching over those pigs not have made more of a fuss over the unimaginable fortune lost in the death of the pigs? As I said before the term âGerasenesâ  is bit ambiguous because it could be in reference to Gergesene the aboriginal peoples of Palestine, or simply in reference to the city of Gerasa which is in the region of Decapolis. The latter makes sense because Decapolis was a confederation of Greek city-states and the Greeks did not consider swine to be culturally âuncleanâ as the Jewish did thus explaining why a large group of pigs would be in the area to start with. However, Decapolis is southeast of the sea with Gerasa being nowhere near the waterâs edge [see map]. I have read others suggest that the region is more interference to the city of Gadara but the most likely location of this city was 5 miles southeast of the water and both Mark and Luke suggest that he encountered the demon almost immediately after coming onto land. Frankly, the story does not add up to be a depiction of an actual event, rather the argument that it is a political allegory is both more practical, believable, and generally more relevant to scripture. Â
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We can choose to believe that Markâs account is a literal transcription of a real event but to do so we must reject practical and historical agricultural data, the numerous verses and Bible stories depicting Godâs love and care for animals, and common sense. Alternatively we could just argue that Mark was exaggerating and that Luke and Matthew are better sources but to that we must ignore that Luke and Matthew donât agree on where it happened, how many men were possessed, the fact that both accounts still contain the military and political connotations, and that there should have been a stronger response of the people and owners of said pigs in response to their death. I am personally more convinced by the argument that the story is allegorical, and it is an allegory that peoples of that time would have been more receptive to given that the connotations for the word âlegionâ had not been so obscured. In fact, some etymological sources that I have used suggest that the ambiguity of the word to mean âa large numberâ resulted from English interpretations of these passages, but I digress.Â
I hope this helps you and doesnât just make things more confusing. If you have any questions just let me know and I will be happy to talk through things with you.Â
Christâs grace be with you,Â
-Christopher
[1] Saint Augustine, The Catholic and Manichaean Ways of Life, Trans. D.A. Gallagher and I.J. Gallagher. Boston, The Catholic University Press. 1966. p. 120.Â
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I was talking to a pastor the other day about veganism and Christianity. He told me that Jesus ate "an awful lot of fish, you know". I know there is the time after the resurrection when it is described that he ate fish, and also the feeding of the 5000- although I've read somewhere that the fish described here was a mis-translation of fishweed a sort of sea vegetable popular in the middle east. Apart from that, I don't think there is any mention of it
Hi there!
I have to say that it is wrong of your pastor to make such a claim about Jesusâ eating habits. Frankly, the Bible does not spend much of itâs time talking about what jesus ate. Actually the only foods I think we can with certainty say that Christ ate are wine and bread. I have written on the issue of fish several times and you can read some of those responses here, here,here, and here. Let me know if you still have questions after going through those and I will be more than happy to discuss the issue in more detail.Â
May the living Christ be with you always giving strength,Â
I turned vegan just over a year ago. Straight from omnivore after seeing some horrific videos about farming. It's the best decision I've ever made. I feel very strongly that this decision has brought me closer to God. I'd like to start attending a weekly church service but feel there is a barrier when I'm told that Jesus ate meat and fish. If He was the son of God, I can't believe that he would want anything to do with the slaughter or exploitation of God's creations.
Hello!
First, let me assure you that the whole âJesus ate fishâ issue is one that is a stumbling block for many and you are certainly not alone in this. I have written many times on the issue and you can find my responses here, here, here, and here, as well as a few other places I believe. Let me know if you still have questions after reading through those and I would be more than happy to go over them with you! Unfortunately, regardless of my writings or your convictions, you are liable to interact with Christians who disagree with veganism if you go to a church or other gathering where there are Christians. The thing I think both of us need to remember is that it is not the responsibility of the Christian, or any other person for that matter, to be correct and moral in every situation. It is, however, our certain moral responsibility to speak up against injustice, as such we must talk to Christians about these issues instead of just avoiding them. I remember one instance where I was talking about veganism with some Christians and was not met kindly about it. It was in a van on a mission trip to northern Mexico and a younger girl sitting beside me asked me about why I was vegan. I began to explain and it was not her but the older woman in the front passenger seat who objected to what I was saying. At one point she looked back at the girl I was speaking to and said: âyou donât need to feel bad about eating animals because I donât.â That was such a shock to me that someone could say such a thing. The fact of the matter is that many people honestly think that their moral life is dependent on the moral life of those around them. If people actually act and think this way then why should they treat veganism with any serious regard unless there are vegans around them living honestly to their beliefs of non-violence? We should boldly be near those who disagree with us if for no greater reason than for us to remind them that we exist and that they also are making choices about their treatment of animals.Â
I hope this helps you in some small way, let me know if you ever have questions or would like to talk!
Hello! I am SO GLAD to have found this resource! You have not only answered my questions, but pointed me to chapters in the Bible I have not yet considered "pro-vegan" passages. I work a job that does not allow me to attend church. I would like to watch sermons online or listen to them. What pastors do you recommend? Are there any vegan pastors I should look into?
I have to admit that I am not one to listen to many online sermons or podcasts, rather I tend to focus more on reading. However, in my circle of friends pastors such as a Tim Keller and Mark Driscoll are names that come up often who have online podcasts and such. If you are looking for vegan pastors I am sorry to say that the options are more limited. Andrew Linzey has been known to do some online interviews and podcasts however, here is one such talk:Â http://www.podcastchart.com/podcasts/open-house-interviews-with-dwayne-jeffries/episodes/andrew-linzey-animal-theologian/pop
Let me know if you find yourself liking any particular talk and I would love to listen also! Of course you are always welcome here with questions and concerns!Â
Hi there- I'm agnostic, but as a Christian and animal lover, I was wondering if you'd mind keeping my cat in your prayers? He died only a few days ago, so the grief is still overwhelming, and it would be of such great comfort to me if you agreed. Thank you :)
Hi there,Â
I am so sorry for your loss. I will of course keep your wonderful feline friend in my prayers and you as well, that you will find comfort in your grieving process. All are welcome here, as all are welcomed by Christ. Let me know if you ever want to talk! I am sure others here will be praying along with me.Â
Wow! I thought I was the only christian vegan on earth! I have a question I've been struggling with for awhile. My current boyfriend is an amazing man of God, but he's not vegan. And he has no intention of ever becoming vegan. He doesn't even seem to care when I talk about WHY I'm vegan. Any suggestions? I feel like this could cause a huge rift in our relationship when things start to get more serious. HELP??
Hi there!
You are certainly not the only one! There might not be lots of us but we are growing! You are welcome here anytime!
This is a tough question. I think it depends a lot on how you view your ministry as a child of God. Â 2 Corinthians 6:14 warns the dangers of being intimately involved with non-believers. At first, this seems like a harsh and unnecessary parameter, but let's consider why Paul suggests this. He asks us to consider:
âŚwhat fellowship does light have with darkness?r What agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? -2 Corinthians 6:14-15
Now, anyone with non-christian friends knows that they probably have plenty in common with them. I have many loving and wonderful atheistic friends. But Paul goes on to remind us that we are sanctuaries of the living God, while we might have much in common with non-believers we are different because we hold a unique purpose. This passage is prefaced with an elaboration of Paulâs ministry. Out ministry, as children of God, as sanctuaries of His spirit we are called to serve a purpose that Paul describes as being:
by great endurance, by  afflictions,
by hardship, by  difficulties,
by beatings, by  imprisonments,
by riots, by labors,
by sleepless nights, by times of hunger,
by purity,f by  knowledge,
by patience, by  kindness,
by the Holy Spirit, by  sincere  love,
by the message of truth,
by the power of God;
through weapons of righteousness
on the right hand and  the left,
through glory and  dishonor,
through slander and  good report;
as deceivers yet true;
as unknown yet  recognized;
as dying and  look âwe live;
as being disciplined yet  not  killed;
as grieving yet always  rejoicing;
as poor yet  enriching  many;
as having nothing yet possessing  everything.
-2 Corinthians 6:4-10
I see this as a relevant passage for your question because I view animal advocacy as a crucial aspect of my ministry. N.T. Write describes the vocation of humanity as that of a mirror. It is our job, as it were, as those holding the image of God and dominion of creation to demonstrate Godâs character toward creation. If you imagine that God is a light then we are a mirror positioned just so that His light reflects off of us at an angle to shine on creation. Thus, the reason creation fell alongside us is because we stopped serving our purpose of showing creation Godâs character. By this interpretation of scripture, I see it as an essential aspect of the Churchâs ministry to re-establish this vocation. To show creation Godâs character is to act as Christ towards it, to be both steward and servant. I cannot see myself being married or dating a non-christian because they hold a different purpose for their life, I cannot see myself married or dating a non-vegan because they hold a different ministry. That is not to say that each personsâ ministry must be identical, we all have different spiritual gifts. But one Christian cannot feed the poor and another Christian take from the poor. As such, my significant other would not have to be on the front lines of animal advocacy, but to assist the powers and principalities that feed into the oppression of animals is not just holding a different ministry but fighting my ministry outright.
Sadly, I am not sure what you should do about your relationship. You know your heart and his better than I do and with prayer and the love of God, I believe that you will do the right thing. I have given you a glimpse of my perspective on the issue as food for thought. If anyone else has suggestions I would love submissions on the topic! If you want to talk more about it feel free to message me anytime, I am always here to listen.
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Any advice for dealing with people that get upset/offended when I mention I'm vegan? I feel like they automatically assume I'm going to try and push them to be vegan, when I never would (I mean, my ideal world is were no animals are eaten but I never would push my views on someone else) Thank you! :)
Hi!Â
This is a tough one because you cannot control how other people will feel or what their presumptions will be. My advice would be to make it harder for people to admonish you by being consistent in living a loving and compassionate lifestyle. Christ tells us to mimic His life by treating those around us with more love and respect than we might be inclined to. He says:Â
âDo you know what I have done for you? You call Me Teacher and Lord. This is well said, for I am. So if I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one anotherâs feet. For I have given you an example that you also should do just as I have done for you.â -John 13:12-15
If people assume the worst of you because of your acts of compassion then that is on them. You can still show them love and kindness. People, in my experience, have more trouble causing an argument with someone who is kind to them and might be more willing to hear what you have to say instead of showing animosity. We must also keep in mind, though, that we must be loving not because we seek kindness in return, but because it is what Christ would have of us. I hope that helps some!
May Godâs Love and patient spirit guide you always
I am after a list of book references aimed at Christian vegan/ animal welfare. Do you have some suggestions?
Hello!
I think my answer may be different depending on if you want the books to be more theological, philosophical, or perhaps just more readable. I have read quite a lot on the subject so if there is a particular perspective you want just let me know!
For now, I think I would recommend the following:
A Faith Embracing All Creatures
This is written by multiple authors and edited by Tripp York and Andy Alexis-Baker. I think this is a good one because you read from multiple people with very different backgrounds and different perspectives, it is highly readable, and it addresses some of the more obvious questions, questions that you might be asking or others are likely to ask you.
Animal Theology
By Andrew Linzey
I like this one because it really goes in depth in how our modern ethical questions related to Christian theology and in particular the Gospel itself. This one might not be as readable for everyone, but if you like reading theology it would be a great start into this study field!
Introduction to Animal Rights: Your Child or the Dog?
By Gary Francione
This one is not from a Christian perspective but I think it is good to read because it has been rather influential in secular animal ethics. It is probably middle of the road as far as readability, and I will say now that I donât necessarily agree with everything that he says. However, it gives a strong overview of a legalistic, and philosophical approach to animal rights in issues that we are facing right now as points of ethical debate.
These are just a few that come to mind if you want to read more on any given subject just let me know and I will see what I can do to help!