About Vincentâs attitude in the flashbacks (ch131/132)
I want to address two different things, the first point because it is strange, the second point because I saw a lot of possible misunderstanding. Â
1) Vincent and foreshadowing
I want to talk about this scene that left me a bit ???âŚ
because nothing particularly important is being said and yet Vincent says something that sounds like a premonition with a rather ominous face and what made me address this is that itâs not the first time.Â
So, here I am, wondering if the possible regular pattern doesnât mean something in particular, because we also had a possible foreshadowing moment about the current arc (probably referring to the twinsâ conflict itself) from his own mouth in ch107.5âŚ
And I already made a post on the subject, but in ch131 we had several Evil Nobles showing up on the same day as Vincent asking Diedrich for a favor, namely, to look after his sons should anything happen to him, 3 years before anything actually happened to him, as if he was expecting something to happen to him soon.
âŚgoing as far as to add after âYou never knowâ:
In case you were wondering, yes I know this sounds crazy and I had never considered something as random as âVincent had small precognitive powersâ before this chapter, but I find that this makes for a strange and regular pattern.Â
And yes, for all we know, itâs just Vincent breaking the 4th wall because Yana enjoys writing him like that, but stillâŚ
We also know, thanks to ch103, that the Phantomhive family share a special lineage, even if the details are still unknown to this day, aside from the fact that it allows our!Ciel to see Shinigamis when he shouldnât be able to.Â
Obviously itâs hard to reach any conclusion until we see more flashbacks of Vincent, but itâs something to keep in mind in my opinion, just in case itâs useful later. x) Â Â Â
This other point focuses solely on ch132 and starts with this scene:
Judging by Vincentâs silent glance, I agree with @akumadeenglishâs interpretation that he was carefully observing his sonsâ reaction and ideas at the time. The big question is, whose words did he appreciate the most?
I know many might think that itâs real!Cielâs, since he seemed like the perfect heir when our!Ciel was weaker and not supposed to inherit anything, however I think ch132 is actually full of hints that Vincent took a real interest in how our!Ciel was thinking.
If you donât believe me, take a look at the discussion with Frances:
âŚbecause Vincent initially seemed to be quite out of it as she made her point that the Watchdog duty would be too dangerous for our!Ciel, going as far as to answer pretty dismissively to his sisterâŚ
But I personally didnât read this scene as Vincent just shrugging it off because he didnât care about his second son dying, or what should happen to the family if his heir died, but rather because he simply didnât agree with Frances on the matter of our!Ciel not being strong enough to take on the Watchdog duty.Â
The second hint is that he took both his sons with him when he went to inspect the domainâŚ
âŚeven though many readers interpreted his words from before as not being very trusting of our!Cielâs abilities.
However, if he really didnât think that our!Ciel could be a good and strong heir, then why did he even take him with him and real!Ciel in the first place? Why didnât he appear to educate them differently, except maybe when it comes to fighting?
Finally, not everyone might want to call these hints, but this is Vincent in the side story With Father! and ch107.5:
And he doesnât seem to particularly dislike the fact that our!Ciel is the current Watchdog (in case you were wondering, he never calls him âCielâ so we can safely assume he knows which sonâs adventures heâs reading x)).Â
I think he actually found our!Cielâs words interesting because, compared to the twin, our!Cielâs proposition seemed more genuinely good-hearted and thus different from what he might have been expecting from a potential future Watchdog. However, this isnât really surprising when we know what our!Ciel wanted to do as an adult and why.
Our!Ciel is kinder at heart and appears to be more selfless than his twin brother and I believe Vincent caught on that through our!Cielâs answer (âgranting everyoneâs wishes sounds difficultâ) & that itâs what possibly interested him.
Because friendly reminder again that Vincent said that Kuroshitsuji (so literally our!Ciel acting as the Watchdog) was âinterestingâ and that it was something âthe Undertaker recommendedâ, which means that Vincent seems to agree with UT when it comes to our!Ciel:
1 => I donât know how seriously weâre supposed to take Vincentâs words when he speaks about the future (see the examples above), because there is still a possibility that Yana enjoys breaking the 4th wall with using his character.
However, considering we still know nothing about how supernatural the Phantomhive lineage might be, Iâm going to keep these examples in mind just in case there is a reason Vincent can foreshadow things.
2 => I donât think Vincent ever casted off his second child (our!Ciel) as being weak, useless and not making for a good heir because:
he didnât want to address the subject with Frances
he took our!Ciel along with real!Ciel when he explained what the duties of a lord were
there are hints that he shared UTâs opinion on how interesting it is that our!Ciel appears to act and think differently from the rest of his ancestors.
I hope it was understandable, thanks for reading!
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