Is using honey bad? It would be hard for me to give that up because I love it so much.
16 ozĀ of honey requires 1152 bees to travel 112,000 miles and visit 4.5 million flowers.
Most of the honey we get at supermarkets and stores donāt come from natural hives.Ā
Honey is an animal product, produced when bees digest nectar they have collected and then regurgitate it. It is an animal product, just like an egg or milk. Yes, a bee is an insect and not technically considered an animal by many people, but a beeās body changes the composition of what it ingests, just like other animals.However, there is another reason vegans wonāt eat honey, and that is because it isĀ harmful to another living creature. According to Daniel Hammer, bees do experience pain and suffering while they are being exploited for theirĀ productsĀ (not just honey but also beeswax, royal jelly, and more). There is simply no way beekeepers, humane or otherwise, can avoid harming or killing bees while they are extracting the beesā products. ManyĀ vegansĀ choose their lifestyle because they wish to avoid harming any other creature, and so they choose not to eat honey.
Check out this couple of articles that are pretty complete about everything around this topic :)Ā
Why Honey is Not Vegan?
3 Reasons Not to Eat HoneyĀ > This one explain about the environmental damage and how we are killing the bees.
As a beekeeper, let me say the following.Ā
As a vegan, you depend upon beekeeping. It doesnāt matter if you never use beeswax or eat honey. You still depend on beekeeping. It is absolutely impossible not to.Ā
Because hereās the secret; you know all those delicious fruits and vegetables you eat? You wouldnāt have them if it wasnāt for bees, and hereās another secret; those bees were probably either kept by the farmer who grew them for the purpose of pollinating his/her crops, or moved to the farm during pollination season by a beekeeper.Ā
If youāve ever eaten a cherry, almond, blueberry, tomato, melon, squash, raspberry, strawberryā¦hell, most fruits or veggiesā¦youāve benefited from beekeeping. There is simply no way to avoid it. If you leave it up to whatever pollinators happen to stop in from the surrounding area, your yields will suffer dramatically, which means less produce and less money for the farmer. Therefore, the easy and universally preferred method is to plop a few hives on the property. The girls will make sure that just about every last almond/cherry/blueberry flower is pollinated (Theyāre VERY good at what they do) and you can happily harvest a bumper crop. This is a universally used practice among food producers.Ā
And do you know the best way to help make sure the bees survive?
Keep them. Organically, without using any chemicals. And hereās a secret about beekeeping; you inspect the hives whether or not you take honey, to make sure the bees are healthy and doing well. (There are mites and diseases that can severely harm bees, and even as an organic beekeeper who doesnāt use chemicals on her girls there are methods I use to prevent/treat things like varroa mite infestation that can kill an otherwise healthy hive).
And yes, when you open a hive to inspect it, you might crush one or two bees. But tell me, honestly, that youāve never killed an insect. Bees themselves will kill sick/non productive members of the hive to ensure the health of the hive as a whole; I donāt see how my accidentally squishing one to ensure the health of the other 50,000 is any different.Ā
And this is what all beekeepers do. And if you, as before mentioned, ever eat anything that isnāt grain-based, this is what took place to put that food on your plate.Ā
I would also like to point out that bees will store as much honey as they possibly canā¦which usually ends up being waaaaay more than they actually can use. To survive a log Iowa winter, my bees need about 100 lbs of honey per hive. Well, last year one hive had TWICE that. (I took 50 pounds, leaving them MORE than enough to get through the winter. I just checked on them today; theyāre alive and healthy).Ā
You are NOT hurting them by taking a little honey for yourself, no more than you already are by looking in on them every two or three weeks to make sure theyāre healthy.Ā
And again, if you ever eat any fruits or veggies, SOMEONE IS ALREADY KEEPING BEES TO POLLINATE THEM AND INSPECTING THEM TO MAKE SURE THEYāRE HAPPY AND HEALTHY.Ā
KEEPING BEES IS NOT WHAT IS KILLING BEES IT IS WHAT IS SAVING BEES.Ā
WITHOUT BEES YOUR VEGAN DIET IS IMPOSSIBLE.
WITHOUT THAT āEVILā EXPLOITATION OF BEES YOUR VEGAN DIET IS IMPOSSIBLE.Ā
AGAIN, BEEKEEPING IS WHAT IS SAVING BEES NOT KILLING THEM.Ā
SO IF YOU EAT A LITTLE HONEY IT IS HONESTLY NO WORSE THAN EATING SOME ALMONDS AND FRUIT SALAD.Ā
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Why canāt bees be protected without taking the honey they produce? Iām all for their protection and I didnāt born yesterday, I know that without bees we all gonna die, but why is it mandatory to steal their honey?
Again, you donāt seem to be getting this.Ā
Yes. You can keep bees without taking honey from them. But, as I said before, youāre ALREADY in the hive checking for diseases and pests. That, if anything, is what causes bees stress, not you taking a frame or two of honey (each frame of honey can hold 15 pounds!).Ā
Also, thereās a REASON you take honey from bees, not just because you want to eat it.Ā
See, like I said before, bees will store as much honey as they can. Itās instinctive. However, thereās only so much room in a hive to put stuff, and honey isnāt the only thing in a hive. They also need room to raise brood, store pollen, ect. Now, if they run out of room, theyāll start feeling overcrowded, which will trigger swarming activity. You can, of course, add more supers (boxes) to the hive, but thereās a limit on how many workers one queen can produce, and you donāt want more supers than they can police, even if all of them are stuffed full of honey. That way lies pests and raiding. So, what we want to do is make sure that they donāt feel overcrowded, while making sure that they donāt have more room than they can take care of.Ā
When bees feel overcrowded, they swarm. When they swarm, they raise a new queen. The old queen and half the bees will then leave to try and find someplace to start a new hive. 90% of swarms die. As a beekeeper, you donāt want this.Ā
You can, of course, purposefully let them start raising a new queen and then split a new hive off of the old one if you want to. Iāve done this myself. But this is not always desirable, for many reasons (no more room for more hives, canāt take care of more, donāt have a spare hive body on hand, ect.) Thereās also the fact that a recently swarmed hive is susceptible to raiding by wasps/skunks (skunks LOVE to raid hives, the little bastards) or mice, as half the bees that would have defended it before are now gone. You donāt want this either; raiding can kill a hive as quick as disease or pests. (This is why I keep a VERY close eye on any hives that Iāve recently split, and have taken potshots at skunks in the backyard with a slingshot before. Not to kill them, just to scare them off.)
If you donāt want them to swarm, the easiest way to keep them from feeling cramped and give them a little new breathing room is to pull a few surplus honey frames theyāve filled up and replace them with empty frames. The girls will then happily go back to work filling the new empty frames with honey or brood or whatever they decide needs to go in all that new space. They donāt feel crowded any longer, the hive doesnāt swarm and stays strong, everyoneās happy.Ā
And what, then, am I supposed to do with these three frames of honey I pulled? Throw them away? Hell no. Thatās 30-40 pounds of delicious, right there.Ā
Humans and bees have whatās called a symbiotic relationship. We both benefit from the arrangement. Donāt diss things if you donāt understand how they work.Ā
And, one more timeā¦keeping bees is necessary for your vegan diet to remain viable. A beekeeper is going to inspect all of those hives anyway, which is the most stressful part of beekeeping for the bees. You are, with your eating habits, (and by that I mean āreally just eatingā, because thereās NO diet that doesnāt rely on beekeeping) reliant on this practice. Taking a frame or two of honey is the LEAST stressful part of inspecting a hive for the bees.Ā
Source; have kept bees organically for 10 years, help other hobbyists in the area who want to start keeping bees. Garden organically. Generally Actually Know Where My Food Comes From And What It Takes To Get It On My Plate.Ā
I understand some people want to be kind and compassionate. But thereās such a thing as being ignorantly compassionate, to the point where you forget how to do research, apparently.
I live for these defences of honey tbh
and the comments that give insight into beekeeping just make it better <3
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āHumans and bees have whatās called a symbiotic relationship. We both benefit from the arrangement. Donāt diss things if you donāt understand how they work.ā
I stand with the beekeepers. I swear theyāre doing Godās work.














