What runs/stories do you recommend for someone starting WW? Could you please be specific (/nicely)
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My Wonder Woman Starter Recs (specific style 😎)
First stops: for an initial introduction to Wonder Woman, I'd generally recommend going to at least one of three places first. These three are:
Wonder Woman: Historia: The Amazons by Kelly Sue DeConnick
Wonder Woman: Year One by Greg Rucka
Wonder Woman: the Hiketeia by Greg Rucka
Of these I generally recommend reading Historia first, as it's a retelling of the origin of the Amazons as a race and how Diana came to be (so it essentially starts from the beginning) and is also the most recent of the them (if that means anything). Something to note about Historia though is that it's a DC Black Label book, so it's events aren't strictly canon in the main DCU and there are some changes and new elements present. I don't think this is something that should discourage anyone from reading it though, it's the best WW origin story out there, and even in strict main canon over the years her origin is one that has had many fluctuations and small (& sometimes big) changes. WW:Historia is three prestige format (longer) issues.
You'll notice the third book there is WW: The Hiketeia. Hiketeia is a great book if you're looking for a view into Diana as a professional and experienced hero. It's a graphic novel so standalone and not too long, and has a great Diana and really interesting plot (Diana vows to protect a young woman and finds herself pressed against the wheels of Greek Tragedy). This is also the first work with Diana done by Greg Rucka, one of her most prolific and loved writers. A sampling of this work (and also Historia) I think gives a good guide to where to go next in terms of runs on her main title.
Wonder Woman: Year One is the second book on the list up there, but I'm mentioning it last here as it's a bit more complicated in terms of format. Unlike other year one books, WW: Year One is actually a series of issues on her main title, showcasing Diana's arrival to man's world in Rebirth (and also current p sure) continuity. The issue numbering for this one is strange (only the even issues 2-14 on WW (2016)) so I recommend looking for this in trade form if possible.
These 3 books I think give a taste of some of the best standalone stuff in the Wonder Woman mythos, and give the reader a good idea of where they may want to go next in terms of longer runs on the title. So I'll break that down here as a Step 2.
STEP 2: WHERE NEXT?
Here I break down some highly recommended runs based on what they have in common with the standalone books from step 1. As a rule, these runs are going to be much longer than the above and generally more connected to the wider DCU and other books. Look for the italics to see the introduction to each new work. Explanation paragraphs follow after each italic/bold rec.
Curious about Greek mythology in WW and the Amazons' origins after reading Historia? Liked the prescence of a supporting cast and Diana learning about Man's World from Year One? Willing to read a longer run? I recommend: Wonder Woman by George Pérez
George Pérez's time on Wonder Woman totally reinvented the character after Crisis on Infinite Earths, and is fundamental in establishing many core concepts of her lore. At 62 issues, 2 annuals, and a 4-issue crossover event at the end (War of the Gods), it's definitely a commitment to read, but it's the most enduring and well-loved run on Wonder Woman for a reason--it's just that damn good. Lots of focus on mythology (although with a lighter tone than Historia) alongside Diana learning her role in relation to Man's World & establishing herself as a hero and ambassador. Pérez's run also has almost-certainly the most expansive and developed supporting cast in WW comics, something that really drives the emotional core of the series, especially in later issues. Obligatory note that this series was written between 1987 and 1992 and contains some very occasional aspects that I thought were in some way dated/uncomfortable etc. while reading (details of Cheetah's origin, depiction of the Bana-Mighdall, Hercules) but despite that I still highly, highly recommend this run. The word fundamental cannot begin to describe it.
Liked the experienced Diana of the Hiketeia? Interested to see her attempt to balance the high stakes responsibilities of an ambassador and superhero? Looking for some really badass moments and fights? Haven't read enough terrible tragedy? I suggest: Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka 2003 EDITION.
Some of Diana's coolest moments of all time are collected here. Also one of her most controversial. The 1st Rucka run is very much the story for anyone who liked the Diana of the Hiketeia and the tragedy of that and Historia. 2003 Rucka Diana is a Diana tested, forced to make decisions that are anything but easy, and live with the consequences. She's extraordinarily capable, but her enemies know that and are prepared to that end. This run, along with the Pérez run, rank among my favorite Wondy comics of all time (those and Historia are my top 3). This run is such peak Diana, especially in terms of sheer badassery. Her final confrontation with Medusa is in my opinion perhaps the greatest Wonder Woman fight scene of all time. Her encounter with Athena in the second-to-last issue breaks me every time. Cannot recommend this book more.
*a note abt this run is that it is more context-dependent than the other ones listed here, as it's the run that finishes out the Wonder Woman vol. 2 book and so has some guest appearances from characters introduced in other prior runs (Artemis of Bana-Mighdall, Cassie Sandsmark, and Vanessa Kapatelis, to name a few). I read this run before knowing much (if anything) about any of them, and still enjoyed it a lot, so I wouldn't be worried about this really but just thought I'd mention it.
Rucka's 2003 run is published from Wonder Woman (1987) #195-226. You can also find it in trade and I believe(?) omnibus. Sometimes the Hiketeia is included in collections of this series, as the 03 run is thematically similar in many places, just with a much deeper look at Diana and the world & with higher stakes.
Liked the specific characters and plot threads of Wonder Woman: Year One? Want to see what happens with Diana's exile, or learn more about Barbara Ann? Want a Diana in between the extremes of young and highly experienced? Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka 2016 EDITION may be for you.
...yes I'm putting ANOTHER Rucka book on here. He writes a great Diana, what can I say. This run is the same one that Year One came out of, just the follow ups to that story and versions of the characters. I have this run listed as separate from Year One though, as there's some really big time skips since the events of that first volume. A lot of time has passed since then, and there's more history between the characters, not all of it without drama. This run continues to be weird with the numbering, as well as some artist changes, so I definitely recommend looking into reading this in trade format (physical or digital) if at all possible. My recommended reading order is WW 2016 by Rucka vol. 2 "The Lies" (Wonder Woman: Rebirth Special #1, followed by 2016 main title odd numbered issues 1-11), then Rucka 16 vol. 3 "The Truth" (odds 13-23) then Godwatch (evens 16 through 24) followed by 25? But The Truth and Godwatch combine near the end so that doesn't really work either. This run is so good but recommending it is such a pain because the numbering is so all over the place. On God I never know which order to read this in. Going to revoke my previous statement and say read it as Rebirth Special 1, then only odds 1 through 11, then from 13 through 25 normally. That may lead to some weirdness as you read because the two stories take place at different times and have different art styles, but they come together at the end pretty dramatically so I think it's less confusing to read it this way? Maybe? So strange bc this is one of the go to good starter runs and yet it's set up so unintuitively. If someone has a better way to read this then let me know and ill edit, ik this explanation is super confusing bc neither way to read it is totally ideal imo and I feel I definitely read it in a weird order.
Going to call that a good rundown of some of my greatest recommendations in terms of Wonder Woman comics. If anything wasn't fully clear here or anyone (not just anon) has questions or wants to talk abt WW comics/my choices feel free to send as many asks or dms as you want. Have a good day everybody, & as Diana says, may the glory of Gaea be with you <3
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my barometer for a good wondertrev (vs. a horrid one, bc there exists both) is whether or not Steve's meeting of Diana is regarded as equally or more transformative as her introduction to him
To my specific understanding of the character, the Steve & Themyscira relationship is absolutely vital, right alongside the Steve & Diana relationship, which I think in its best moments serves as a proxy or a conduit for Steve's connection and relationship to Amazon life and culture, as he does for Diana & Man's World. This dual reflection for me serves as the foundation of the Steve/Diana relationship and why they are important to each other in this way.
I actually think a lot of the critique of Steve Trevor and Diana/Steve comes from the viewing of this connection as one-way, with Diana seeing Steve as a door to the world outside the island, and Steve seeing Diana as primarily a nice, pretty woman in this most shallow (though common) depiction. Within the publication history of Wonder Woman, this version of their dynamic I'd argue is very prominent in popular culture and really dominates their presences in the text for much of the precrisis period, especially under authors like Robert Kanigher (author of ~150 WW issues and ~40 Sensation issues, including the ones below)
This history is why, despite actually being a fan of Steve Trevor and Wondertrev, I agree with statements about Steve being boring, or limiting, or whatever critique is given towards him any given week when prompted. Because oftentimes these arguments are very true (something recognized by many acclaimed WW authors)! I just don't think these criticisms of Steve need to stay true.
I think there have already been much better takes on how to modernize Steve Trevor and the Diana/Steve relationship, for all the duds and steps back that have also accompanied this since they were re-established as a mainline pairing in 2016 (forgive me if I forgot something before then). I truly believe there is so much potential for Steve to become a truly great WW supporting character instead of just a great legacy supporting character (and yes, her supporting cast issues are a reoccurring problem this could help alleviate, but that's a convo for another day).
But I guess what I'm trying to get at here is what if we imagine Steve and Diana as mirrors. They love each other for who they are but also for what they represent and can show each other. For Diana, she sees the best of humanity in Steve and exploration, discovery of the world. But what if for Steve, when he looks at Diana, he also sees a new world, meaning Themyscira? Diana is an ambassador, her purpose is to share her people's culture and values with the world (just as it is to be a superhero or a political figure)--a role that always begins with her meeting Steve Trevor. From Steve's perspective, this meeting is a miracle that saves his life and challenges everything he thought he knew; so why does he so often just shrug it off or seem unaffected minus his attraction to Diana? I believe that exploring Steve and Amazon culture through Diana adds so much potential to their relationship and his character, including topics like his place in the U.S. military or his masculinity in relation to Amazon culture and Diana's values and cultural experience.
This is also a place where I think queer themes can become really relevant and interesting within the Wonder Woman mythos, both as associated with the Amazons and Diana in contrast to the military USAmerican Steve, but also even within Steve himself and his character. A few of my favorite Wonder Woman fanworks do just that, exploring the idea of Steve Trevor as a Trans Woman and her relationship to Themyscira as complex but linked parts of her personal journey.
Like I understand why Steve and Steve/Diana doesn't appeal to people (and I often agree with examples cited) but I also think that there's so much growth there that can be done to make it amazing and transcend what's there while honoring the Golden Age heritage. Like I truly think we all vastly underestimate the extent that this relationship has been modernized for the 21st century, and how doing so further has the possibility to create something really special.
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People need to bring up Circe when they talk about haters in rogues galleries. She is genuinely so dedicated to hating and hurting Diana because she thinks she’s too good.
No truly!!! You're so right about this with Circe, I totally agree. I honestly think Circe as a villain is slept on overall, but even in discussion about Diana's rogues, at least in the general fan space and outside the Wondy fandom. Like I know she does get mentioned as one of Diana's principal enemies all the time, but Circe IMO is a top 3 Wonder Woman villain for me, right alongside the heavyweights like Cheetah and Ares. Like give Circe top billing!! Depending on my mood and the version, there are often instances where I will prefer Diana & Circe conflicts over Diana & Cheetah ones (and definitely over Ares. He's a villain in some amazing stories but lacks the personal factor that has me obsessed), even though Cheetah is her traditional arch-nemesis.
For me, Circe is just always a highlight when she shows up, even in stories that are otherwise slogs or I have issues with, she always makes it interesting and adds that tension. For all that it was tied up with WML Wondy and my issues with that, the Donna Milton arc with Circe is so intriguing to me for the weight it adds to her relationship with Diana. Like the fake version of herself she made as part of a plot (magically burying her true self) became genuine friends with Diana and deeply cared about her! Like gosh what can Circle even do with that afterwards, that's just between them now. And everything with Lyta Milton too etc. etc.
But you are so right anon I love a good Circe & Diana. I hope we see some character design tweaks with Circe in the future (or more dcu maybe?? I still haven't finished Creature Commandos so can't speak to that) because I love her purple hair and crazy eyed vibes, the redhead version with the suit just seems very normal to me and less insane hater from appearance alone
Hey do you know of a good Simon Baz reading list? I read Justice League Red and now I want to check out more of him.
Hey! Sorry I'm a week or so late answering this (It took me a while to remember this ask when I was on my laptop and not a phone lol) but I don't have any specific list I use just hanging around--though there's likely one or two saved somewhere I can scrounge up if you'd like (though I can't attest to quality). What I can do though is share my Simon Baz spreadsheet in case that helps you any in exploring his earlier appearances. This is just a list of his appearances (in the Simon and both columns, it's a shared sheet with Jess Cruz appearances) where on the side I summarize or mention how relevant each issue is to his story and character. There are bolded issues there which vaguely correspond to his major/best early appearances but are also kind of just the ones I liked, so there's a few issues bolded that's mostly a cameo or a few panels but he's doing something silly there (but these are marked in the side column).
At one point I intended this sheet to encompass all his appearances, but I got distracted and fell off around 2017/2018. I still think this could be a useful resource for anyone looking to learn more about Simon Baz as a character, especially his introduction and the period of his initial push in the new 52 before Rebirth Green Lanterns and Justice League. It's a flexible resource for getting an overall story (I got distracted and read like 3 events he has 2 relevant issues for while following it) as many listed items are cameos but the bolding and commentary columns may be relevant to someone picking out their own reading list. (It's also very clearly under construction, even if the last work there was in 2023 lol) Enjoy!
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I'm making the rco mourning theme better looking (more green than black, better WW panel/quote selection) once the initial period has passed but for now we're in deep grief to remember the loving times (5 years worth at this point)
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