Behold, the Loganator!

Ah that's right! I have an A03 account where I write stories from time to time! Here's the link to anyone interested in reading them.

You see, THAT would help reinforce to people how vile this character is supposed to be and someone who CLEARLY deserves to be in Hell. And him getting knocked down a peg would feel more earned and satisfying.

Vivzie refusing to go all out on making these characters absolutely horrible people learning to be better is what's holding the premise of the show back, they're more soft-bad. We're TOLD they're horrible people but we never get any that isn't cringy, forced, corny, or eventually woobified because the writers got attached to certain characters.

Alastor always read to me as a white man, him being black felt forced to me. Nothing about him feels black/black coded.

A while back during one of Vivzie's streams she DID draw a human alastor.

Definitely not a good look considering what she's done to this character in Season 2, and like you said, feeling like she only made him black for brownie points. Not because him being black would add on to his character and provide more nuance and depth to his story, but because people got onto her for having him use voodoo magic even though it's a closed practice.

(Big thanks to @sippedtiredness1058 for providing the screenshot on where to find this info.)

Are we deadass?

No seriously, ARE. We deadass?

Then why even make him ace if you're not really gonna respect the orientation? (Not to say she has before considering the MANY poses she and Spindlehorse had Alastor in during Season 2...)

Viv really should’ve had a plan going in so that it doesn’t seem like she’s constantly pulling stuff out of her ass when it comes to her shows.

This is why I believe she had nothing planned even though she had spent five years trying to get it off the ground.

You would think she would've had the story figured out by then, and you would think even if she only got one season, she would try to make it the best season ever and not just put all her eggs in the basket.

Shows like TADC, Gravity Falls, and Avatar are able to stand as great shows because the story feels planned out. There was foreshadowing and moments that made sense, and when it got to the ending it felt earned.

This perfectly explains how I felt after seeing Episode 4 of Season 2, at this point Alastor's purpose and role in the story is now null because of Lucifer coming into the picture. Vaggie is so-so since he was the one protecting the hotel more than she ever did.

At this point, considering they didn't even bother to try and rescue him from Vox if they're supposed to be a found family, he should've been like "Fuck all y'all" and become a full villain.

As someone who used to identify as Pan before realizing I was actually Demi, it is annoying to see.

Vivzie for some reason sees being Pan as the same as being hypersexual, which is NOT even close to what being Pan is actually like. Now I am not saying that Pan people can't experience hypersexuality, but the way it's portrayed in these shows just comes off as in poor taste in how often it happens.

The following characters that are Pan are: Blitz, Valentino, Verosika, Ozzie, and of course Chaz. And what do these characters have in common? They're sex fiends or someone whose occupation revolves around having a lot of sex.

Now to be fair, not ALL the Pan characters are like this (Husk, Lucifer and Bee aren't shown to be that overly sexual.) But it still doesn't erase how they're outnumbered by the characters who openly express how much they wanna bone people or are associated with the act.

Finished designing a possible cast for Calling All Villains. Their names are as follows after Mr. Puzzles.

Nina Ms. Shade Professor Cranium Bone Drone Wester

Backstories coming soon.

... This synopsis has made me afraid for what direction they might take for Puzzles' character.

Because judging from what happened in WOTFI 2025, one would assume he succeeded in changing for the better at the end. But this relapse would make Mr. Puzzles' ENTIRE arc in SMG4 feel redundant and like it barely mattered at all.

Now I can see this relapse working if he's gonna be made into an Anti Hero of sorts. Someone who does bad things to be considered a villain to most people, but is doing them for the right reasons. That way you can have him and whoever joins him do villainous shenanigans without it feeling like you're resetting his character back to square one.

Him being the big bad of season 3 doesn't even make any sense. Even if we argue that Angel is getting focus, why is his abuser the central villain to the entire season? Especially because season 2 tried its hardest to make Val look dumb and incompetent. Shouldn't he solely be Angel's villain while the rest of the cast deal with, idk, Lute?

(Seriously they already did Lute dirty in season 2 now they're choosing to make Val the big bad instead of her?)

I don't know if Viv genuinely loves Valentino that much or if this is a middle finger to the fans and critics who hate his guts and have questioned her handling of him

The way they handled Valentino is very contradictive.

First he's an antagonist to Angel and his path to redemption, then he's just a himbo who doesn't know what consent means, and now he's the main villain for Season 3. It's so wishy washy.

What's even worse is that the creators themselves don't seem all that interested in making him an actual threat and realistic depiction of an abuser, there's a director's commentary of Vivzie and a few others where at some point they're like "Oh he doesn't know what consent means! He's such an dumbass, but he's our dumbass. 😊"

And let me make something clear, it IS possible to write a character who's meant to be an abuser act nice and whatnot. If it's meant to be a front to keep people from suspecting his abusive nature and not believe Angel when he tries telling someone about it.

Spoilers of course.

Vox was a weather boy who killed his way to the top, instead of using the media to twist and manipulate the zeitgeist into joining his cult/program or whatever he was doing. Hey writers, maybe next time show us Vox being manipulative and charismatic instead of him just killing people and saying “he’s so complex and multifaceted!”

Vox wins because everyone is so stupid, they let him win and Angel just gives him a cheat code that Lucifer can’t hurt him. Charlie and Lucifer are frauds, that I’m surprised sinners didn’t revolt against them and decide to just kill them, especially since Lucifer can’t hurt them. Why even have a hierarchy if the king and princess are powerless and weak and the queen went awol for 7 years? But Vox can’t be smarter then alastor, alastor is the special golden boy he has to be 10 steps ahead, he’s playing 3d chess while Vox is playing checkers even though he didn’t do shit in the cuck chair, didn’t even plant the seeds of doubt and betrayal to the vees. Everything just went “according to plan”

The two backstories they gave Vox in Season 2 just doesn't mesh well at all. The Vox we see in the Episode 4 flashback is a completely different character from Vox in the Episode 7 flashback.

Because from what Episode 7 showed us, Alastor made the right call in refusing that partnership because if he did accepted, it probably would've been a matter of time before Vox backstabbed and screwed him over when he saw no more use for him. Yet this clashes with Episode 4 because we don't get enough of Alastor and Vox's past relationship to understand why Vox would act that way at all.

And this is where having only 8 episodes per season hurts the show. Because of how little time there is to get through everything Vivzie and the team wanted to cram in, we don't get enough of the characters to understand their motives, actions and emotions. It all feels disjointed and fragmented, like clearly there's something missing from these scenes but they had to cut it out because of time and budget.

And that last part is exactly why I can't say Vox is a good villain, everything just falls into his lap without having to lift a finger. I'm also surprised Lucifer and Charlie still has their status and recourses with how pathetic they are as rulers, as you would think an uprising would've happened a long time ago. Hell should be in a constant war against Demons wanting the crown and title for themselves.

This just further proves that they never had a proper story planned for Vaggie when it was time for the show to be made. And I never really liked that flashback they added in Season 2 as it was only made to make Vaggie look sympathetic without any actual effort and it contradicts what we've seen before.

In fact, Vaggie is probably the most confusing character in terms of what Vivzie and the team wanted to do with her. she had SO MANY design changes.

And flip flopping in terms of personality and what she's supposed to be. You would think with a character that hard to figure out they would either put her in the back burner until they can come up with something concrete for her, or just cut her out entirely if they couldn't find a way to make her work in the story.

They’re just people who are forced to hang around eachother because of circumstances. The one person who does tell Charlie anything also doesn’t let her take accountability for her action. Twice, Vaggi has told Charlie “it’s ok, you don’t need to apologize. you did so much” when Charlie hasn’t done anything but cry and mess everything up, but somehow still wins in the end. The times Charlie actually has breakthrough and lets her vulnerability out, Vaggi cuts her off and tells how great she is and kisses/has sex and say “our love is strong enough” when it’s been shown over and over again that it’s not. This is unhealthy codependency and the reason WHY they’re together. Because they have no else in their lives.

Charlie doesn’t listen or respect Vaggi enough to take her advice and Vaggi doesn’t take Charlie seriously enough to listen to her problems, or let her do anything so she mothers Charlie, tells her she’s fucking up but then turns around and say “it’s not your fault”

Vaggi could’ve been an interesting character. She was an angel and killed sinners and you would think would’ve had consequences in the show or brought up by Vox in season 2 but instead it’s brushed off and she doesn’t have to take accountability for her actions. It was used as forced melodrama for Charlie and Vaggie’s relationship which that didn’t matter because Rosie just tells Charlie to “forgive her for fucking up because her actions mattered” rosie is totally not Lilith.

There’s Emily, who is actually a better friend for Charlie because unlike Vaggi, Emily actually grows and learns as a character. It no surprise she was the fan favorite this season because emily learns from her mistakes, she risked her life to save alastor and initiated the care bear stare friendship beam to stop the nuke.

It's really hard to take the scenes of them working together seriously because of the fact that they barely interact with each other and are often seen fighting a clashing most of the time.

"Vaggi could’ve been an interesting character. She was an angel and killed sinners and you would think would’ve had consequences in the show or brought up by Vox in season 2" That basically sums up the better alternative writing route for how they could've approached Vox in Season 2. He should've had PILES of evidence against Charlie and the crew for why their methods are more harm and self-fulfilling than they claim to be.

He could've used Vaggie being an exorcist to paint Charlie as a hypocrite for claiming to wanting to stop the exterminations, yet is dating their best soldier that killed hundreds if not thousands of her people. He could've used footage he got from the last extermination to show Hell how Charlie can't fight for anyone and had to rely on others to fight HER battles, asking the citizens if they really want to put their trust and faith in someone who won't actually fight back. He could even use the cannibals as proof that even she isn't immune to using dirty tactics and is no better than the sinners that does bad things.

ANYTHING that could provide a form of self reflection and make Charlie change her approach and tactics. Because CLEARLY the characters that're supposed to be her "friends and girlfriend" don't care enough to try and make her see light themselves.

Honestly these ships sound way better than what we ended up with.

Angel x Charlie I can get behind if written well. I believe Charlie dating a sex worker would hold more narrative weight in terms of status, since no one seems to care about her dating someone that used to be part of the exorcist army.