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look. i donât think my stretch marks are beautiful. i donât think theyâre tiger stripes or natural tattooos. i donât think my acne is beautiful. i donât think the bags under my eyes are beautiful. i just think theyâre human. and i donât think i have to be beautiful all of the time in order to be accepted and loved and sucessful. i donât think every small detail of my outer appearence needs to be translated into prettiness.
fun fact: this POV is actually called âbody neutralityâ and itâs SO MUCH more accessible/realistic for a lot of people. itâs based on the idea that the way we look is the least interesting/important thing about who we are, and that our bodies are worthy of respect regardless if they fit the mold of the current beauty ideals.
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i walk a fine line between âiâm asexual and i hate how much the world revolves around sexâ and âsex is way too stigmatized and people should be able to be more open about it if they want toâ
I was thinking about what Spawn Astarion says when Tav/Durge hints at leaving him: âOh, shit, did I do something wrong?â
Iâve often seen people interpret this line as proof of how low Astarionâs self-esteem isâhow he immediately assumes that it must be because of something he did wrong or something fundamentally flawed about him. And thatâs absolutely true. But I also think this statement reveals just how much he has actually grown and changed compared to before.
Throughout the adventure, Astarion has consistently avoided accusations or responsibility for many things.
⢠âKilled is such a strong word. Not many corpses have your vigor,â he says when he loses control during the bite scene.
⢠âDonât look at me like thatâCazadorâs orders,â he tells the Gur children when they confront him about his actions.
⢠âItâs just six of them, and theyâre vampire spawn,â he says about his siblings.
⢠âIâd have bedded you three times over by now if you were normal,â he tells Karlach during their first night together, shifting the blame onto her.
⢠âTheyâre as good as dead, theyâre starving, theyâll cause a massacre,â he argues when justifying sacrificing the souls to Mephistopheles.
He deflects, downplays, and avoids responsibility.
But when Tav/Durge hints at leaving him? Astarion doesnât hide. He doesnât deflect. He directly asks if he did something wrongâeven at the risk of hearing yes, that he actually did.
Thatâs not a small thing. To me, it shows openness, a willingness to be vulnerable, to take responsibility, and to accept the possibility of being hurt. Itâs not just his low self-esteem talkingâitâs also the courage and strength he has gained.
And thatâs it, I just wanted to share this little thought of mine about this line.
Oh, I love this topic, thanks for bringing it up and making some good points.
I believe we also need to look at how his reactions to breakup progress. If you end things with Astarion before going to Cazadorâs mansion, he's not surprised at all. He says he knew it was coming eventually. He was counting the hours. THAT'S when he displays low self-esteem â he has never believed things between him and the PC could last (even though â his own words â he wants something real with them).
So in this light, I believe the line of âdid I do something wrongâ shouldn't be read simply as a sign of low self-worth â he has actually started to believe he has something lasting with the PC, that he himself is enough. This time, he IS surprised when you tell him you want to end things. Yes, he asks if it's his fault, but I think this comes from his greater self-awareness, he knows he doesn't always make the best decisions and still has a lot to learn, so he wants to understand what went wrong.
So, while his self-esteem may not be very high yet (understandable, only so much time has passed), it's still higher than before. So yes, I absolutely agree this line actually reflects growth.
EDIT: He also asks âwhat's changedâ, so he doesn't look for the cause of the breakup solely in himself.
As always, this is all just my interpretation of the character. Feel free to disagree.Â
I love the writing choice to make Astarion genuinely immoral at first. They could have easily pulled the overdone trope of "I only pretend to be evil because I'm traumatized. I'm really just a sad little guy who wouldnât hurt anyone". Now I do believe his behavior is a direct result of his trauma, but I'll get to that in a minute. The point is that he does genuinely relish in violence, although his actions will be swayed by whichever moral direction the player decides to go. But he does enjoy combat, spilling blood, and even some more cruel and unusual things. However, what makes this so compelling and narratively rich is that this is a learned mindset.
I think that a lot of people don't acknowledge that going into act 1, Astarion has just come out of a situation where he was quite literally forced to participate in horrific crimes, with severe consequences if he refused. That absolutely does not excuse the fact that he's okay with if not outright enthusiastic about murder, but we do see that he was not always this way (e.g., he tried at least once to let a target go because he couldn't bring himself to take them to Cazador). I just think it's worth acknowledging that that mindset was the product of centuries of torment and active overt and covert conditioning. He became who Cazador wanted him to be; who he had to be in order to survive. Astarion and Karlach are two sides of a coin in this regard, in that they represent opposite responses to trauma and loss of autonomy. Karlach was forced into martial servitude, which in my opinion explains why she's still kind of bloodthirsty even though she's such a good and kind person bent on protecting others. She's shaped by the role she was forced into, and it's the same with Astarion. Again, not to say he isn't morally dubious, but there's a big difference between someone evil and someone who was never allowed to be "good" suddenly being thrust back into freedom and forced to figure things out.
To a degree, I do also think that his over-the-top declarations of his love for violence are another piece of his mask. Just like with his feigned hedonism and sexual forwardness, he's trying to hold power over people by controlling their perception of him (as well as his own self-perception). He's holding a big sign that says "I'm selfish and evil, and you shouldn't like me unless you are too", when really he's not anywhere near as selfish and evil as he pretends to be. He does this in part to keep people at arm's length, but also to convince himself; to craft his own reality wherein he is the person he needs to be to get through this situation. His worldview has been warped to see domination and control as synonymous with strength, and so he's being strong in the way he knows how. As the story progresses with a good player on his side, he's beginning to learn how to be something better. And that's why it takes time: because he's unlearning 200 years of conditioning and survival instincts.
It's worth talking about that it's not unheard of for abusers to force victims to participate in the abuse of others. I think that representing that experience in this game is important and valuable. We should all walk the line between holding these kinds of survivors accountable for what is appropriate, and to offer them oceans of understanding and empathy for them over what they were forced into. Even if Astarion weren't magically forced to do Cazador's bidding, I hope that we all could still understand the power that abusers hold over their victims, empathize with him, and see that those actions were an extension of Cazador, not himself.
Official D&D definitions of "evil" aside, I don't think he's ever truly evil unless he goes down the evil route with the player and/or ascends (Ascended Astarion is a whole other can of worms Iâm not going to get into in this post). By the end of the spawn storyline, Astarion does have a lot more concern and care for others, and most importantly, he takes responsibility. To me, that shows profound strength and goodness. He's never a saint, but in my opinion he's never really evil, either. He's still learning how to live in a world where he doesn't need to be cruel in order to survive.Â
Concerning the early access backstory about him being a "corrupt magistrate", it's up to the individual how to headcanon that information. Personally, I think he was probably a little self-interested, but not evil by any means. I think he was probably just a pretty normal person before Cazador, not predisposed to cruelty.
In summary, I think itâs important to talk about what makes people âbadâ, especially in the context of the cycle of abuse and victimization. In Astarionâs case, much of his taste for cruelty came from implicit conditioning over his years of being forced to hurt others. There are a number of lines from him during the dungeon/crypt sequence where he keeps insisting, defensively and desperately, that he didnât have a choice in bringing victims back to Cazador. That it was all on his orders and he couldnât say no. This might come across to some as him trying to shirk blame, but the thing is⌠heâs right. He didn't have a choice, other than death, but I think Cazador would deny him even that. He wanted to make his spawn into obedient tools, but also to break them. To make them an extension of his own monstrous cruelty. But in the end, Astarion takes responsibility as best he can, and begins to forgive himself for being a part of Cazadorâs evil. This is part of what makes the line âI am so much more than what you made meâ so powerful.
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Sorry, but this whole thing about the dice roll to convince Astarion not to ascendâletâs break it down.
The dice roll exists because Astarion is intoxicatedâby blood, by fear, by power. Power is the only thing he thinks can set him free, but only because his perspective is painfully limited. The Insight check isnât there by accident; itâs meant to give the player context. Astarion isnât thinking clearlyânot enough to truly reason.
Do you know what real fear does? It shuts down higher cognitive processes. The sympathetic nervous system takes over, triggering fight, flight, freeze, or fawn responses. Blood rushes to the muscles, the heart, the lungs, preparing the body to react quickly in case of danger. But at the same time, other functions that arenât immediately usefulâlike digestion, excretory system, sexual function, and, yes, logical reasoningâget suppressed. Itâs a matter of prioritiesâsurvival over everything else.
For example, studies show that reprimanding a child too harshlyâscaring themâactually inhibits learning, making it completely counterproductive.
And in that moment, Astarion is like someone standing on the edge of a rooftop, ready to jumpânot because he wants to die, but because he sees no other way out of his pain. And Tav/Durge is the damn firefighter or cop trying to talk him down before he hits the pavement.
And honestlyâwho here hasnât had a conversation with a parent, a friend, or a teacher, only to later think, Shit, they were right, I was about to do something really stupid?
Itâs not coercion, people. Itâs just pointing things out. And the dice roll is there to break through all the things clouding Astarionâs mindâblood, fear, and everything in between. Not to convince him.
At this point in the adventure, Astarion is perfectly capable of making his own choices, and if he's deprived of that choice, he gets so furious that he attacks the player. In fact, if you categorically decide for himâeither by refusing to help him or by interrupting the ritualâthings end badly. He is the one who has to decide what to do, not the player.
It's no coincidence that Astarion gives his approval at the moment he realizes what it truly means to ascend and abandons the ritual. There's no lie there; we don't forget that approval. Just as it's no accident that, in the cemetery scene, Astarion says he feels seen by the player. Because yesâbeyond the illusory veil of a sexy, evil vampire, we've seen through it and witnessed something else. We've seen the goodness within him.
Please, let's stop saying that Astarion wants to ascend at all costs and that he's forced not to do it. Otherwise, the reading of the game's and the character's subtext is completely lost. And note that this doesn't mean he doesn't also have the potential for evil.
It's exactly these internal contradictionsâthis constant oscillation between good and evilâthat make him such a deep, well-rounded, and wonderful character. Please, let's not simplify him; that would be a crime.
My wife once told me she would never play Baldur's Gate 3 because 'it's that slut game.' One year later she finally caved and did her very first playthrough.
May I present: Mrs. Cheery's chaotic gremlin adventure to Baldur's Gate.
Act 1
Our hero is the drow fighter, Lady Coolio. To this day we do not know whether Lady is her name or her title. She has a big sword, big tits and one goal: get to The Baldur's Gate with no distractions.
Escaped the 'Meat Bus' (Nautaloid). "Right how close am I to Baldur's gate? Like three hours?"
Sold her camp clothes by accident and was very sad that all she had to run around in was a grey hobo sack. (No mods. Sorry wife)
Asked if Withers was Solas's Dad.
Lady Coolio calls Astarion rat boy. In Wifey's words âhe told me âwhen I was a little lad Cazador made me eat rats.ââ
To be fair she isn't great with names so Halsin = Hoisin Sauce, Lae'zel = onion lady, Volo = Volvo, Cazador = Calzone (sometimes)
In camp: Gale "I'd like to show you something rather magical".
Lady Coolio: "I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR MAGIC PENIS"
âThere are so many dead bodies everywhere this entire place has got to stinkâ (just act 1 generally)
Act 2
Ran into the shadow cursed lands very under levelled and Last Light inn instantly got sacked. Bad news as she was romancing Karlach and now canât get her second upgrade. Lady Coolio firmly blames Isobel for "triggering like three opportunity attacks when she could have... not done that."
Died to the shadow curse a LOT.
Her: âWhy is everyone dying????â
Me: âRemember the moon lantern?â
Her: âThe what?â
Me: â⌠that thing with the swearing pixie in itâ
Her: â I still have to use that????â
Me: â yes, because Isobel is deadâ
Her: "WHY IS SHE STILL CAUSING PROBLEMS."
Hates the Gauntlet of Shar. Asked Shadowheart, âIs Shar the only goddess with an Olympic qualifier to join her religion?â
And now a series of comments on the Dead 3's chosen:
âso the bad guys are evil undead Santa, Lady Gaga and the ugliest man Iâve ever seen?â)â
âIs Gale⌠horny for that crown??â
âMaybe Myrkul would be more threatening if he wasnât standing in an giant toilet and not movingâ
On discovering the Emperor) âwait my fairy god mother is a SQUID??? oh :( â
She did however become half illithid but hated that she ended up with varicose veins on her boobs.
Gale and Astarion then graduated to âthose weak pudding menâ because they kept getting stuck halfway across the map by missing jumps.
Act 3
Said âBrexit means Brexitâ every time she met someone who was complaining about the refugees.
Went to see Raphael at Sharess's Caress. Didnât sign his contract â I trust neither Lord Farquad nor squid man but Iâm not selling my soul to someone who has such bad vibes.â
At Gortash's coronation. "I thought he was popular? Like seven people turned up to watch it. Is it because he's really ugly and smells like Lynx (Axe) body spray?"
She wanted to eat Orin's outfit because it looks like delicious bacon.
Walking around the city: "so where do I go??"
"Anywhere you like."
"I hate this."
She would not stop stealing things. I think she murdered the entire battalion of flaming fist in the lower city because "a lady's gotta eat." She also killed everyone in sorcererâs sundries including Rolan.
Had the prototypical stress aneurysm while doing the iron throne but somehow managed to get ALL the hostages out.
Laeâzel was kidnapped by Orin for 9 in game days . When I asked about this she said âFINDING CLOWN MEAT IS MORE IMPORTANT.â
âWhy does every door here lead to the sewer????? And why are there so many live mines in the sewer??â
(in the basement of the elfsong) âsoo because the Emperor has a shitty basement Iâm supposed to be best friend with him now? This soup recipe does not make me trust you squid manâ
Halsin ânature used all its powers when crafting youâ
Wife âwell it also crafted bacon lady (Orin) so swings and roundaboutsâ
Astarion stayed a spawn and she convinced Gale not to use the crown. âNo one is becoming ultimate bitch on my watchâ
Despite her distrust of the Emperor she still allied with him in the final fight. Because, and I quote, "Lady Coolio's goal is to stop the Absolute. The Emperor has the same goal. I don't know when I became everyone's therapist and in charge of them making better choices but I'm putting my foot down at replacing dehydrated onion queen with baldy prince king over here. The Gith's religion is not my problem."
In her canon Lady Coolio and the Emperor high fived when they won.
85 hours later and Lady Coolio is the hero of Baldur's Gate. Please enjoy this picture of our heroine.
I feel like we've all just accepted the Astarion introduction scene a smidge too fast. Oh nooo he pulls a knife on the mc. Is it hot? Is it morally dubious? Whatever are we to do???
WHY AREN'T WE DISCUSSING THE FACT HE THEN PROCEEDS TO PULL THEM TO THE GROUND IN THE DUMBEST WAY POSSIBLE. He isn't pinning them to the ground, where he is on top and in control of the situation. He is PRONE ON HIS BACK UNDERNEATH THEM. He has a strength of 8. How is he holding you there. Why was THIS his plan? He has ZERO tactical control over you.
That's without even discussing that he does this likely in front of allies.
He's so dumb. Like if he pinned you to a tree. Or tackled you to the ground that's one thing. But to just trust fall directly on to the ground and be a landing pad for his victim? My guy đ¤Śââď¸
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Headcanon for everyone whose tavs donât really seem like leadership material:
The little connection thing the tadpoles do when you meet your companions is them sizing each other up and the player character (origin or tav/durge) has the strongest tadpole of the group so itâs not all these really impressive people looking at your âjust a guyâ ranger or socially inept wizard and going âyep, clearly you should be in chargeâ, itâs their tadpoles losing in the mental arm wrestling match and declaring them the more important vessel