i think leliana needs to get a bit more toxic immediately…like i know da fans in general would be annoying about if if she actually was but for my own personal entertainment im thinking about how crazy it is that her and the warden can fall in deep and passionate love and still from da2-dai the most deeply intimate relationship she has the entire time is with a woman who has direct social power over her, she owes her life to, and who uses her to commit acts of cruelty in her service. i wanna see if she’d put on any of her deeply ingrained bard habits on against the warden without realizing, even after they were already together. i wanna see if she’d choose the chantry (divine justina) over the warden (her lover) because shes so incredibly adjusted to being a tool of people she not only owes her life to but she’s also at a power imbalance with, and she’d choose that over a healthy, equal relationship in the name of some sort of duty. like functionally justina is mostly marjolaine but with religious leverage and it’s crazy how leliana can fall into that kind of relationship AFTER the game where she’s romancable
HI HELLO YOU'VE COME TO THE EXACT RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS BECAUSE I AGREE 100%.
this got...Long so under a cut it goes!
You've hit my exact fucking cocaine with this because this is fully up my alley and I have dedicated a lot of thought to all of this.
The bard bit is actually super interesting because she does to the Warden (I want to say both Wardens but could be m!Warden exclusive but still) she talks about "becoming the woman a target wants to see", so conforming herself to that for her work. She even has some banters about she pretty much blended in by being friendly to do said work as well with Alistair.
And it's kind of nuts you can't address any of this, not even in a follow up conversation, romance or no! The writing assumes that Leliana is being genuine, but of course you can go crazy bonkers in fanon. Like my personal fanon is she doesn't realize she's doing it, because she has no idea how not to do it, or even how to be in a normal relationship. Boundaries, communication, honesty, none of this has been something she's had before. (And also in my fanon she's the Marjolaine, not my Warden. She doesn't mean it and is horrified when she realizes it yayyyyy!! <3)
And tbh, the "chooses the Chantry over the Warden" is pretty much canon? I don't think it's too much of a generous read to go that far bc you have:
In Awakening, the letter she sends directly says she had to break the promise to see the Keep with you to meet with the Grand Cleric (I've always assumed a Justinia stand-in until she was more established), and to note originally the Keep was suppose to be a normal mission to see about the Darkspawn not retreating. The epilogue does state they "reunite a year after the Blight's end" so sometime after Awakening as that's six months after Origins.
The other DLC have no romance content outside Morrigan in Witch Hunt, but I think it's fair to say no Warden would want their non-Warden LI running around the Deep Roads. Golems is sometime after Awakening canonly, and Witch Hunt is 2~ years after Origins, or maybe 1~? Sources seem confused BUT point is it's the last adventure for the Warden that we know of.
9:34, about 3~ years after Origins/The Blight Divine Justinia is elected and Leliana says she was called upon to be her Left Hand.
What The Warden is doing is up to the player bc we don't have any canon information after Witch Hunt, but Leliana is running around all over Thedas as she's been in Kirkwall a number of times, Orlais, etc. I doubt they'd of had much time to be together. :')
BUT this is sounding pretty okay, sad duty is keeping them apart, but it's not like Leliana could follow the Warden into the Deep Roads or doing Warden related work, as mentioned. AND you have Leliana saying she's going to reunite with the Warden "for good this time".
BUT BUT this is not only AFTER Justinia is dead (rather than Leliana actively choosing between them), that Leliana just kinda throws that out the window and goes "I could be the POPE. No...I will be the Pope."
Yes yes she instills the Divine can marry whoever she wants but is this not a genuinely tragic ending? Not only did Leliana make this huge decision without talking to her partner, it puts them both in the Game for pretty much the rest of their lives (something she wanted to escape from). Constantly having to wonder who will betray you next or who will sell you out or wondering if this day will be the day someone tries to kill either of you (and might succeed). Not to mention the incredibly unfair position a non-human/mage Warden is placed in. Like look what happened with Celene and Briala, they were treated as a mockery. And the biggest tragedy of all is Leliana still doesn't put the Warden first, she chose the Chantry, even with Justinia gone.
In a non-Divine ending, enlightened!Leliana still is putting duty first and has a line something like "I know we'll be together again, some day..." while steeled!Leliana is the only one to actually say she might take time to be "selfish" and "focus on her relationship", as if that's selfish for wanting to be with your possibly living on borrowed time partner.
SO NO MATTER WHAT…Leliana is still not putting the Warden first, and god it makes me so fucking sad. I really like that one Tumblr post that's about someone who'd never put the world over their partner because genuinely that's Leliana. She's so selfless it loops back to being selfish with her Warden. :(
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new ml broke u??? haha that’s crazy u should talk abt it 👉👈
I'm just gonna b clear in saying that this is the first ML ep I've watched in over a year, probably even longer than that but I can't remember. I have no idea what's going on w Adrigami or Lukanette (I mean obv I know now that they broke up), no idea why Marinette is the Guardian now, no idea where all these other kwamis came from, no idea why Hawk Moth.. looks like that????? so I must admit I am a BIT lost but luckily that didn't get in the way of me understanding this episode
BUT. I love Marinette Dupain-Cheng. I love her a lot. I think her character is extremely interesting and I wish the show would get into it more deeply other than just focusing on her romantic problems, so I cannot tell u how THRILLED I am that this episode occurred. at this point I'm probably gonna start watching the show again just for her (ngl I've kinda stopped being into the ships for the most part) bc if we can get more writing like what happened in Gang of Secrets then that's enough for me
SO ANYWAY. um!!!! holy fucking shit!!! after sitting thru three seasons of the plot not rlly taking off I was THOROUGHLY unprepared for that fucking identity reveal and yet they handled it so well... people who are upset that it wasn't to Adrien/Cat Noir.. I mean come on. I think Alya is literally the best person for Marinette to reveal herself to first, they have such a solid friendship and god it will be so good for Marinette to have someone to lean on now... I know I make everything angsty but seriously Marinette's character has always made me sad bc I KNOW that girl is going thru a fuck ton of shit and having to keep such a huge part of herself completely hidden from everyone just weighs her down. we saw her in this episode basically say she was unlovable!!!! that she's not allowed to have a love story!!! that she only sees herself useful as Ladybug, that she can't feel close to anyone anymore.. I have been WAITING to see her have a breakdown over this and FINALLY I GOT THE CONTENT I WANTED TO FUCKING SEE... some of the lines exchanged between her and Alya at the end were SO unexpectedly raw too like "we always have a choice, Marinette" "no, not for me. I've got no choices left" and "it's too heavy to carry" "if it's too heavy we'll carry it together" LIKE HELLO. HELLO? everyone SHUT the FUCK up I was tearing up bc there was just so much!!! coming out into the open!! and the voice acting on Marinette's part was so good just. UGH
and don't even get me started on Alya, holy shit, the way she stayed behind to talk to Marinette at the end bc she just KNEW smth was up, the way she kept a hand on her shoulder p much the whole time, the way she was paying complete and absolute attention to Marinette w/o trying to figure out what the hell she was talking abt, just trying to help her w/o pushing for details, fuck even the way she was just looking at her the whole time she was just SO concerned... and then when Marinette finally reveals herself as Ladybug she just. hugs her, no questions asked, like she just. gets it. she's such a good friend I am so so unbelievably glad she's the first to know. and I really do want to see them grow from here, I want to see Marinette be able to lean on Alya and finally finally have someone that she can be completely transparent with, I'm crossing my fingers that the writers know what they're doing because I want to see more shit like this. this episode was just. so well-handled. thank you for coming to my ted talk I'm literally insane
fr i don’t understand how people are saying catra or glimmer are worse than hordak somehow like. even using the logic that they all committed war crimes hordak is like double their age and didn’t feel remorse for his actions while the other two did
I TRULY DONT GET IT LMAO my favorite is when people cite the catra defying hordak scene in the season 4 finale as “too harsh” as if he hadnt nearly killed her to show dominance on multiple occasions / was trying to kill her in that scene.......... also she read him like an open book
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you know that clip of a guy saying “i think i’m fine” like 20 times in a row and then trying to drink something while shaking so hard he almost spills it all over?
Ur the love interest and villain at the same time. You started off as the love interest but wanted to be both for the vibes
i make out HEAVILY with the main character and confuse them both morally and sexually and then i make it worse by running off and committing several felonies
