#vegcrow

Plant based eating is unnatural, insufficient or harmful to childrens development.

Veganism is just matter of plant based eating, rather than a set of ethical beliefs.

Not eating animal flesh, milk, byproducts etc. is the same thing as depravation. Consumption of animals is the default.

Vegan parents are intentionally and maliciously inflicting this depravation on their children. Rather than just, y'know, feeding them the same groceries that they buy for themselves.

No child would ever willingly be vegan.

Parents who eat any (and every) kind of diet can abuse their power and instill harmful ideas and disordered eating in their kids. And if a parent does have dietary restrictions (of any kind) it's a good idea for them to talk to a dietician/pediatrician about how to make sure their kids get the nutrients they need.

But vegans don't force their kids into veganism any more than Muslim parents force their kids to abstain from pork.

Veganism isn't some arbitrary list of rules. It's rooted in very real moral concern. It's about not financially supporting industries that buy and sell slaughtered animals. It's about not viewing animals as commodities.

Vegan spaces have a huge issue with bioessentialism but pointing out transphobic or borderline transphobic retrohetic is considered derailing.

Meanwhile, most trans people aren't vegan or vegan friendly whatsoever. So you'll face similar accusations of derailing or grandstanding for being ethically vegan. No matter how you do or don't talk about it.

I am very glad to receive this ask.

I've made a post on this before here that addresses "divine motherhood" as a concept that vegans often appeal to in their augments. We see this idea of divine motherhood in ads like this. And while it seems harmless or unrelated to trans issues on the surface, these kinds of arguments actually do enforce gender roles by applying them to non-humans and thereby naturalizing them.

And of course animals do care for their young (and it is wrong to take their babies from them) but that's not because of special, biologically ingrained "motherly destiny". The idea that nurturing = femininity is a human concept.

We also see gender naturalized in comics like this, that use highly gendered language when talking about non-humans.

The point is meant to be that farmed animals are (often) social species, and baby chicks born male are killed for their sex characteristics. Which is true. But this framing conflates sex and gender. (Which, as previously said, cements gender roles as natural predetermined things in both humans and non-humans.)

Don't get me wrong here, male and female animals absolutely can have (observably) different familial, parenting, and social roles depending on sex. But those roles aren't 1-1 parallels to the (imagined/traditional) roles of men and women.

More anecdotally, in vegan circles I occasionally see memes or comments pitting veganism and queer issues against each other. Stuff like this that implies hypocrisy (while conveniently erasing queer vegans).

"It's fine to kill Bee's queens because bees kill their queens in nature all the time." < Killing that bee is STILL a violation of that insects autonomy.

Animals aren't machines, they don't exist for us. They show signs of life and consciousness and pain and emotion.

Is there any possible situation where eating honey could be considered unproblematic? Why don't I just buy meat from local farmers, who probably treat their animals great? What about American indigenous hunters who have no choice but to eat animals?

When a person is treated as less than, we can call it degrading or dehumanizing.

When animals are treated as less than that's just kinda the default state of things. We call violence against them abusive, but what do we call the logic behind that abuse? How about the more subtle, insidious ways that logic is reinforced?

Is it "dehumanizing" to see animals as incapable of victimhood? To deny they can feel pain? To say they could never have minds or emotions or worthwhile and complicated lives? Well, no. Because animals aren't humans.

Is it degrading, then? Also no. Because dignity is a human concept, as far as I can tell.